🏈 If There Was A Playoff ... 2010 The FCS, 20-Team Format

[252BAMA]

Still having to overcome the bye.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1055816.html

 

[planomateo]

gotta love how things look on paper

 

[bama29fan]

5 more games at the end of the season would be tough tho.

 

[psychojoe]

I'd like to see them run their simulation for 1966.

 

[Hoos4Tide]

20 teams is way too much. That bracket is at least 7 weeks long-- that is, if it started the week directly following conference championship week (which is doubtful, being that it would put conference champions at a disadvantage, though they would still get two weeks, as opposed to someone like Stanford or OSU getting three weeks, while waiting for the play in games to end) it would last till early February... when the Super Bowl is played... Does anyone want college football lasting that long? And I don't mean ignorant fans, I mean college coaches that know their players are not professional athletes and are in school and more susceptible to injury. Furthermore, ending in early February implies that the NC would be, seemingly, the day before the Super Bowl-- that would NEVER happen. Sorry this is so long, but a 20 game playoff just makes me really angry... 4 teams is the way to go, and it's top 4 in the BCS standings.

EDIT: P.S. adding 6 games to any teams schedule (as it would if a play in team like Alabama made it to the championship which is far from unreasonable) would put Bama's schedule at 18 games... how ironic.

 

[psychojoe]

I don't really buy the complaints about making the season too long. D-1 FCS, D-2 and D3 all have playoffs that add 4 games to their season for the finalists. I don't like the 20 team format. 16 would make the brackets even, but would include some teams with no realistic chance to win it all.

 

[planomateo]

16 is the only thing I would be happy with, anything less is no better than what we have now.

 

[JoshB]

I don't really buy the complaints about making the season too long. D-1 FCS, D-2 and D3 all have playoffs that add 4 games to their season for the finalists. I don't like the 20 team format. 16 would make the brackets even, but would include some teams with no realistic chance to win it all.

yea except D-2 only has 10 regular season games. so they only have one more game than D-1 if they make it all the way to the championship. 18 games is too much, period. this will never happen anyway tho so these arguments are pointless. football is not basketball, its not that simple.

the only type of playoff id be cool with is a 4-team playoff. take the top 4, play two Semifinals matchups (Sugar Bowl & Rose Bowl?) and then the National Championship.

 

[planomateo]

football is not basketball, its not that simple.

the only type of playoff id be cool with is a 4-team playoff. take the top 4, play two Semifinals matchups (Sugar Bowl & Rose Bowl?) and then the National Championship.

whats interesting, most other football organizations have a playoff - so it is that simple - its just the powers that be don't want to do it....so it's not that simple.

highschool has it (each state is diff)
FCS (24 of 124 teams go to playoffs)
nfl (12 of 32 go to playoffs)

....so now, you suggest 4 of 120, the numbers just don't add up to me.

 

[bama29fan]

I would be fine with the FCS format but only if the regular season was shortened. Draw backs are... that may mean no out of conf. games? or us playing less conf opponents? or not scheduling cupcale/ warmup games. or a combination of those. Maybe only the top 10 in BCS goes in to a play-off?

It could be done....no one will ever be completely happy with any format that is brought up.

 

[JoshB]

whats interesting, most other football organizations have a playoff - so it is that simple - its just the powers that be don't want to do it....so it's not that simple.

highschool has it (each state is diff)
FCS (24 of 124 teams go to playoffs)
nfl (12 of 32 go to playoffs)

....so now, you suggest 4 of 120, the numbers just don't add up to me.

High school and Division II have 10 regular season games like i just said...Division 1 has 12 regular season games AND a conference Championship already its NOT that simple and why even throw the NFL in there? its impossible to have a big ass 20 team playoff. playoffs going damn near until the NFL Combine? no.

 

[planomateo]

sure, 2 points I was making.
1) it is simple - see examples of everyone else doing it - yeah, here come the johnny jumped off the bridge comments
2) 4 isn't enough - see examples above.

that being said, I'd agree that too many games would makes it hard if not impossible to setup. i don't think 4 is enough, I agree with the basic ideas the Death to the BCS book laid out, conf champs + a few others getting to 16.

 

[GivinEmTheBusiness]

20 teams? 17 is the correct number.

 

[bamafan4ever]

I just hope it happens in my lifetime. It would put this spring roundball tourney to shame. It would be awesome to have a championship in Jerry's Palace too.

 

[BadAllergies]

I stopped reading when I saw a 2nd MWC in the tourny.

 

[shipley00]

Long rant warning!!!

If were up to us, we'd create an eight-team playoff with the six BCS conference winners…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

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I don’t care for this idea. Eventually, no matter what format is chosen I’d prefer to do away with the conference tie-ins all together (like that will happen) or have a minimum set of standards to get in. All too frequently a team from a BCS conference that is having a down year automatically gets in, when they are far less deserving that the #2 or even #3 teams from another conference. Just look at the last 15 years of the BCS<o></o>
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96 Texas (8-4) 20<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank got trounced by #7 Penn State 38-15 <o></o>
97 Syracuse (9-3) 14<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank got trounced by #8 Kstate (#2 Big 12 team) 35-18 <o></o>
98 Syracuse (8-3) 15<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank got whooped by #8 Florida (#2 SEC team) 31-10 <o></o>
99 Stanford (8-3) 22<SUP>nd</SUP> BCS rank got beat by #7 Wisconsin 17-9 <o></o>
00 Purdue (8-3) 14<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank got beat by #4 Washington 34-24 <o></o>
02 FSU (9-4) 14<SUP>th</SUP> rank got beat handily by #3 Georgia 26-13 <o></o>
03 KState (11-3) 10<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank lost to #5 Ohio St. 35-28 <o></o>
04 Pitt (8-3) 21<SUP>st</SUP> BCS rank got trounced by #6 Utah 35-7 <o></o>
05 FSU (8-4) 22<SUP>nd</SUP> BCS rank got beat by #3 Penn St 26-23 <o></o>
06 Wake (11-2) 14<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank got beat by #6 Louisville 24-13 <o></o>
10 Uconn (8-4) NR in BCS got trounced by #7OK 48-20. <o></o>
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The SEC exception:<o></o>
01 LSU (9-3) 13<SUP>th</SUP> BCS rank BEAT #8 Illinois 47-34<o></o>
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The Big East exception:<o></o>
08 VaTech (9-4) 19th BCS rank BEAT #12 Cinci 20-7<o></o>
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What does this say? Other than out of the past 15 years the Big East or ACC champ has stunk it up 7 times and the SEC NONE, it tells me this. There seems to be a cutoff for performance. Only ONCE in the last 15 years has a “conference champ” ranked lower than 11<SUP>th</SUP> NOT lost their game. Only once and THAT was against the Big East Champ.<o></o>
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It seems to me the only way we’ll every see an honest to goodness playoff of any sort in the next 30 years is if it can be phased in. Start small and simple, with as few changes to the existing system as possible. I propose the following as a stepping stone. Once all the critics of a football playoff see it will work, it can be slowly expanded. There has yet to be a case of more than 3 teams undefeated. Here’s my proposal for a “plus one”<o></o>
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Keep the 4 BCS venues and add one (Cotton Bowl, Kholer Toilet bowl, doesn’t matter) Keep the crappy conference champ automatic qualifiers. Keep the 4 at large. Keep the BCS rankings.<o></o>
Next, in two of the venues (rotating each year) pit the #1 vs #4 BCS teams, and #2 vs #3 BCS teams. The rest fall out where they may.<o></o>
Finally the winners of the 1v4 and 2v3 play each other two weeks later (or whatever) in a repeat venue (from one of the other 3) rotated annual (just like now) for the Real National Championship (RNC).<o></o>
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I would be all for a minimum standard in order to get your conference champ Automatic bid. From the numbers above it looks like 11<SUP>th</SUP> or better BCS rank. This is for the automatic bid only. The at large could then pull whomever is most deserving. <o></o>
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After a few years your could expand to 8 teams. <o></o>
Have a different “standard” for selecting the 8 teams.
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[psychojoe]

Great point. While it is true that the Big East and ACC are elite basketball conferences, to put it bluntly, in none of the years that you mentioned have they been power football conferences and only occasionally have they had individual teams worthy of BCS consideration.

I say if you are going to keep a BCS type format limit the automatic qualifiers to SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and PAC 10 (or whatever the latter three end up calling themselves) and select the remainder of the teams at large.

 

[AFF]

Bowl money and influence have kept this from happening. But, I don't see why that has to be the case. The bowls could have their cake and eat it too. The bowls could rotate the NC game like they already do. They could also rotate the final four locations for that matter. This would account for 15 bowl games. The rest of the bowls could enter an NIT-like agreement if they wanted to continue as a consolation for those not in the big dance.

First round - 16 teams - 8 second tier bowls
Second round - 8 teams - 4 major bowls
Third round - final four - 2 major semi-final bowls
NC Game -

Cutting the regular season back to 10 or 11 games would not be a big deal. I wish they'd do it. The interest level for all 15 of the NCAA bowls would be off the charts.

 

[TerryP]

Bowl money and influence have kept this from happening. But, I don't see why that has to be the case. The bowls could have their cake and eat it too. The bowls could rotate the NC game like they already do. They could also rotate the final four locations for that matter. This would account for 15 bowl games. The rest of the bowls could enter an NIT-like agreement if they wanted to continue as a consolation for those not in the big dance.

First round - 16 teams - 8 second tier bowls
Second round - 8 teams - 4 major bowls
Third round - final four - 2 major semi-final bowls
NC Game -

Cutting the regular season back to 10 or 11 games would not be a big deal. I wish they'd do it. The interest level for all 15 of the NCAA bowls would be off the charts.

Do you want the NCAA controlling the $$ off of bowl games?

Do you want the NCAA controlling the at large bids?

Yeah, it'll be a basketball guy picking football selections. Or, a Div 3 AD on the committee...

 

[AFF]

Do you want the NCAA controlling the $$ off of bowl games?

Do you want the NCAA controlling the at large bids?

Yeah, it'll be a basketball guy picking football selections. Or, a Div 3 AD on the committee...

Nah, I don't want any of those things. I despise the NCAA as much as anyone. I'd rather have a group similar to the BCS implement the playoff. Besides, the NCAA is too chicken to get involved.

They wouldn't really be NCAA bowls - they'd be [BCS or fill-in-the-blank-with-new-organization] bowls.