🏈 I read those players got a banner too! Will this Madness even end?

[rick4bama]

:eyeroll: It like when the barner got the people choice trophy!

 

[BAMAneck]

This just fits today’s culture to a tee .

 

[bama alum]

UCF unveils title banner as players get rings

OMG. It's a banner in the stadium. :eyeroll::eyeroll::eyeroll:

 

[jdpas29]

lol

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Wow..police cars, rings, car tags, t-shirts...al say it....then....realy...it must be true..... they are the people’s choice of National Champs......well. A small town in Florida people’s choice.... ( sounds ike AU somewhat)

 

[sean]

so where's their trophy that says national champions?

and i don't mean the one they made for themselves. or the one they got for winning a bowl game. i mean the one they were awarded that actually says "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS" on it.....like ours.

waiting......

 

[50+yeartidefan]

so where's their trophy that says national champions?

and i don't mean the one they made for themselves. or the one they got for winning a bowl game. i mean the one they were awarded that actually says "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS" on it.....like ours.

waiting......

But....they have a t-shirt that say it.....isn’t that the true standard?

 

[#80]

What a joke.

 

[sean]

Spoiler

so where's their trophy that says national champions?

and i don't mean the one they made for themselves. or the one they got for winning a bowl game. i mean the one they were awarded that actually says "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS" on it.....like ours.

waiting......

But....they have a t-shirt that say it.....isn’t that the true standard?

my apologies in advance at how long this is. i got carried away looking up stats...


it honestly just blows my mind.

ok, so they went undefeated. good for them. they were the ONLY team in the country to do so. again, good for them. but to claim something that they really didn't win, just because they were the only undefeated team in the country? it's a slap in the face of those teams that actually PLAYED in the playoffs. they feel slighted by the playoff committee for not getting a chance to show who they are against any of the other 4 teams that made it into the playoffs. that might be a valid point. but who did they beat worth noting, other than in their bowl game? let's take a look...


UCF schedule 2017
fiu: 8-5; respectable, but certainly not top-tier
georgia tech: 5-6; game was called off (i'm assuming due to weather)*
maryland: 4-8: not really a contest, was it*
memphis: 10-3; a bit more respectable, especially since they finished inside the top 25
concinnati: 4-8; again, no contest*
east carolina: 3-9: really?*
navy: 7-6: at least they were bowl aligible
austin peay: 8-4: again, another bowl-eligible team
smu: 7-6: another bowl-eligible team
uconn: 3-9: another easy win*
temple: 7-6; seems to be a pattern
south florida: 10-2; another top-25 finish
memphis (conference championship game: **see above**
auburn peach bowl: 10-4; and yet another top-25 finisher (top 10 in one poll)

average record: 7-6


BAMA schedule 2017
fsu: 7-6
fresno state: 10-4
colorado state: 7-6
vanderbilt: 5-7
ole miss: 6-6
aTm: 7-6
arkansas: 4-8
tennessee: 4-8
lsu: 9-4 finished #18 in final poll
mississippi state: 9-4 finished #19 in final poll
mercer: 5-6
auburn (L): 10-4 finished #10 in final poll
clemson (playoff semi-final: 12-2 finished #4 in final poll
uga (playoff final): 13-2; finished #2 in final poll

average record: 8-5


so UCF beat 2 teams that finished inside the top-25 in the final poll. in contrast, ALABAMA beat 5 teams that finished inside the top 25 in the final poll. and the average record difference is only 1 game, either way. granted UCF didn't play one of their games. but who's to say that georgia tech wouldn't have had a good day that day and beat them? i doubt they would have, but it can happen.

and auburn was the only team in the country to beat 2 teams that were ranked #1 at the time they played them. do they have a claim at anything? unlikely (although they do claim a lot of things that don't make sense...sensing another pattern). obviously they got spanked the second time they played one of those teams; but the first time, they certainly beat them, straight up.

i'm not clear on whether or not the playoff committee takes strength-of-schedule into consideration; but i think i remember hearing that they do. and if that's the case, then BAMA's was certainly stronger than UCF's.

and if they want a shot in the playoffs, then they need to schedule tougher opponents to show that they belong. one season does not a champion make. Alabama and Coach Saban have been fairly consistent in their winning.

ALABAMA 2007-2017 records:
7-6
12-2
14-0#*
10-3
12-1*
13-1#*
11-2
12-2#
14-1#*
14-1#
13-1*

UCF 2007-2017 records:
10-4#
4-8
8-5
11-3#
5-7
10-4
12-1
9-4
0-12
6-7
13-0#

# - conference champions
* - national champions

so the only season that ALABAMA didn't have 10 or more wins was 2007; Coach Saban's first year. by contrast, UCF has only had 4 seasons of 10-or-more wins in the same time period. and one of those non-10-win seasons they went win-less. and 2 other seasons they failed to make a bowl game. and by that contrast, BAMA has been to a bowl game every single season since 2007. we haven't won them all as our bowl record is 10-4 (playoff games count as bowl games so it's theoretically possible to play 2 bowl games in one season). UCF, on the other hand, is 4-4 in their bowl game appearances.

so i say again, they need consistency to show that they belong. as well, your beloved coach that took you to that magical undefeated record...where is he, now? oh yeah...at another school. they couldn't do enough to hold on to him. so now they have to bring in another coach, another system, and try to duplicate when they did last season. and what happens if they don't do so well. will it be the excuse of, "well, we have a new coach and it's gonna take some time for him to get his system installed"?

i hope they can remain high and keep winning. i really do. if they want to be the best and play with the best, then that's all well and good with me. i'd love nothing more than to have another shot at the big trophy and another chance to play another top-tier team for it. but if they can't maintain, then all their belly-aching and shouting and crying about them being champs is for naught.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Maybe this is just splitting hairs, but why can't they just honor the undefeated season? That's an awesome feat in itself and that one cannot be debated.

By any current recognized method of being "national champions" in D-1 FBS college football, they did not earn a national championship title. Whether that is fair or not is not up to me or to UCF. The voters decided and it can't be "un-did". It does not matter the BS ways championships were awarded in the past (as is often the criticism of Alabama and other schools); what matters is how we do shit today.

We can debate it til the end of time but the fact remains that UCF did NOT get voted into to the playoffs of the national championship, did not play for the national championship, and did not win the national championship.

People complain about Millennials (aka people aged around 20 - 35) and Gen Z (aka people around 20 and below) being "entitled" and needing "participation trophies" .. Well who the hell is giving these trophies and this sense of entitlement away? Who is enabling this behavior? These are the people to be blaming, not the students. UCF as an institution is epitomizing the ways in which parents are failing kids, and this BS "national championship" is not going to go away.

 

[BamaFan334]

so where's their trophy that says national champions?

and i don't mean the one they made for themselves. or the one they got for winning a bowl game. i mean the one they were awarded that actually says "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS" on it.....like ours.

waiting......

But....they have a t-shirt that say it.....isn’t that the true standard?

So does Georgia, and there are thousands of kids in third world countries sporting them!

 

[TUSKtimes]

Seems to me the issue or comparison that should be made would be with all the undefeated teams over the decades who didn't feel compelled to crown themselves national champs. Simply glorifying yourself as champs isn't a reward, it's defined as arrogance in most circles of society.

I'm biased and I said it, but some of the traction gained nationally over this is because of Bama fatigue and the envy and jealousy Alabama has created with its dominance of college football. UCF is providing for some, what they themselves with their own team can't do on the field, beat the Crimson Tide.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Every body needs to get over it.....
The Knights are National Champs.
They have a tshirt that says it
Period

 

[TerryP]

They have a tshirt that says it
Period

By any current recognized method of being "national champions" in D-1 FBS college football, they did not earn a national championship title. Whether that is fair or not is not up to me or to UCF. The voters decided and it can't be "un-did". It does not matter the BS ways championships were awarded in the past (as is often the criticism of Alabama and other schools); what matters is how we do shit today.

There's the key phrase, "current recognized method." They were ranked #1 in one of the computer polls that used to be a part of the BCS formula. That computer poll is still--to my understanding based on what's on the NCAA site--part of the recognized bodies that can award NC's. So, technically, they do have more than a T-shirt that says "#1."

If you happened to have noticed, the plaque on the Walk of Champions also has a key word, "consensus."

so where's their trophy that says national champions?

Reddit had one made and gave it to them.

 

[Max]

Reddit had one made and gave it to them.

I never looked to see if they actually had a "vote" for the trophy. Do you know if they did? It's hardly a people choice award if there wasn't a choice for the people to make.

 

[sean]

Reddit had one made and gave it to them.

and wth does reddit have to do with college football? all it is a site that gathers social news. they don't get a vote in the college football format. they don't have a member on the college football playoff committee. and they don't have any sort of stake in the world of college football. google is many times over more powerful and has more of a presence in the digital world than reddit, and THEY don't get a vote or have anything to do with college football.

 

[TerryP]

and wth does reddit have to do with college football? all it is a site that gathers social news. they don't get a vote in the college football format. they don't have a member on the college football playoff committee.

I wouldn't diminish them as a site that only "gathers social news." While they are not on the same level of Twitter followers as 247Sports (- @30K) it does have a huge following. The CFB section probably covers less than 10% of their traffic. But in the end, you're right. Not a recognized authority but a trophy maker/awarder.

The only difference between this and the Auburn 2004 claim is UCF does have an official recognized selector ranking them #1--even though no longer used.

Look. The way I see it we're going to see this for years and years to come. There will always be a troll or two out there that will change a Wiki citation, etc.

Reddit had one made and gave it to them.

I never looked to see if they actually had a "vote" for the trophy. Do you know if they did? It's hardly a people choice award if there wasn't a choice for the people to make.

No. I don't know. I visit that site once or twice a week when I'm bored and want to see what's going on with the national CFB scene. @bamachine may know.

 

[94 Grad]

Does it even matter?

Who cares what UCF does... let them claim whatever they want and do whatever they want. It changes nothing. I wish we as fans would stop worrying so much about what UCF claims... it means nothing.

I promise you Saban and Team could give a crap less...

 

[TUSKtimes]

Does it even matter?

Who cares what UCF does... let them claim whatever they want and do whatever they want. It changes nothing. I wish we as fans would stop worrying so much about what UCF claims... it means nothing.

I promise you Saban and Team could give a crap less...

Then why do I continue to see Twitter feeds from the players on this very subject?

 

[bamachine]

and wth does reddit have to do with college football? all it is a site that gathers social news. they don't get a vote in the college football format. they don't have a member on the college football playoff committee.

I wouldn't diminish them as a site that only "gathers social news." While they are not on the same level of Twitter followers as 247Sports (- @30K) it does have a huge following. The CFB section probably covers less than 10% of their traffic. But in the end, you're right. Not a recognized authority but a trophy maker/awarder.

The only difference between this and the Auburn 2004 claim is UCF does have an official recognized selector ranking them #1--even though no longer used.

Look. The way I see it we're going to see this for years and years to come. There will always be a troll or two out there that will change a Wiki citation, etc.

Reddit had one made and gave it to them.

I never looked to see if they actually had a "vote" for the trophy. Do you know if they did? It's hardly a people choice award if there wasn't a choice for the people to make.

No. I don't know. I visit that site once or twice a week when I'm bored and want to see what's going on with the national CFB scene. @bamachine may know.

No, they do not have an official vote. They just have an unofficial fan vote to determine their title winner. They have only been doing it a few years and many vote tongue in cheek. They do have some credibility, as they are cited in numerous articles on ESPN, CBS and SI for some original content posted there.