🏈 Hand Injury- out for Tx A&M with MCL strain- may miss more

[footballer]

Didn't ole piss break The Drake's leg few years ago?

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

That dirty son of a bitch...

 

[BamaFan334]

I used to hit people in the knees all the time in high school. Of course I was 5'8 - 125 pounds. Gotta do what you gotta do and I will never apologize. Football is a dirty game. It's why our coaches and every other coach in the world of football have these guys practicing getting off the blocks and keeping their lower bodies out of the way of diving blockers and guys on the ground.

 

[Tidestalker]

I used to hit people in the knees all the time in high school. Of course I was 5'8 - 125 pounds. Gotta do what you gotta do and I will never apologize. Football is a dirty game. It's why our coaches and every other coach in the world of football have these guys practicing getting off the blocks and keeping their lower bodies out of the way of diving blockers and guys on the ground.

Yeah, I don't see what's dirty about that. He wasn't engaged and saw him coming.... I see those guys working on pushing down low blockers in drills all the time. Seems like an expected and accepted football play

 

[rick4bama]

I can't watch it when it has something to do with any part of the leg! I I tore my knee up and the surgery wasn't all that great! I had two surgery in about two day because I got an infection. My white count was off the roof!!

 

[rueben]

Didn't he draw a personal foul earlier in the game as well, hands to the face or karate chop to the throat? Thought I saw it but I was at a "football party" being reminded why I like to watch games alone. The NCAA needs to review stuff like this and take appropriate action afterwords. He should miss as many games as Hand +2.

 

[rick4bama]

Didn't he draw a personal foul earlier in the game as well, hands to the face or karate chop to the throat? Thought I saw it but I was at a "football party" being reminded why I like to watch games alone. The NCAA needs to review stuff like this and take appropriate action afterwords. He should miss as many games as Hand +2.

You think those guys and gals at the SEC main office would do anything? Wasn't that hit on the UGA QB in the SEC Champ. game review?

 

[Tidestalker]

You think those guys and gals at the SEC main office would do anything? Wasn't that hit on the UGA QB in the SEC Champ. game review?

Suspended for blocking?! I don't get it...

 

[UAgrad93]

Yeah, I don't see what's dirty about that. He wasn't engaged and saw him coming.... I see those guys working on pushing down low blockers in drills all the time. Seems like an expected and accepted football play

The shit was dirty and by rule ILLEGAL!!!


9. Blocking Below the Waist (Rule 9-1-6) FR-89

Changes to paragraph a: (New language is in bold italics)


"a. Team A prior to a change of team possession:

1. The following Team A players may legally block below the waist inside the tackle box until they leave the tackle box or until the ball has left the tackle box: (a) players on the line of scrimmage completely inside the tackle box and (b) stationary backs who are at least partially inside the tackle box and at least partially inside the frame of the body of the second lineman from the snapper.

This comes from the amended rules from 2016 and supposedly enforced this year.

a) the blocker wasn't on the LOS
b) he wasn't a stationary back

 

[Tidestalker]

He's the D End crashing inside... Seems either inside or close to inside the tackle box. It's not dirty... Y'all getting soft

 

[UAgrad93]

He's the D End crashing inside... Seems either inside or close to inside the tackle box. It's not dirty... Y'all getting soft

It has nothing to do with whether the DE is crashing or not, he wasn't. He was shuffling down the line. By rule, that guy wasn't on the LOS and neither was he stationary, he was a pulling blocker, he can't cut!! As for the soft comment, I played the game and coached it for 15 years. I doubt any of my former players would use soft to describe me.

 

[BamaFan334]

It has nothing to do with whether the DE is crashing or not, he wasn't. He was shuffling down the line. By rule, that guy wasn't on the LOS and neither was he stationary, he was a pulling blocker, he can't cut!! As for the soft comment, I played the game and coached it for 15 years. I doubt any of my former players would use soft to describe me.

Usually we agree on things, but I don't see the dirtiness here. Receivers do this all of the time off the line of scrimmage when we swing the ball out. I have seen Ridley do it countless times, as they should as smaller players. I have done the same thing in my days and I was coached to get off those kind of blocks. I'll put it this way, if I am supposed to do a job and make sure I have my team's back, you bet your ass I'll do this exact same measure if needed to take my guy out of the play. And I could be wrong, but it looks awfully close to the line of scrimmage if it is off at all and with Hand being a defensive end I would say the play was inside the tackle box if you drew a line where the play started before snap.

 

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[rueben]

He's the D End crashing inside... Seems either inside or close to inside the tackle box. It's not dirty... Y'all getting soft

Not what your mom said. :bird:

 

[UAgrad93]

Usually we agree on things, but I don't see the dirtiness here. Receivers do this all of the time off the line of scrimmage when we swing the ball out. I have seen Ridley do it countless times, as they should as smaller players. I have done the same thing in my days and I was coached to get off those kind of blocks. I'll put it this way, if I am supposed to do a job and make sure I have my team's back, you bet your ass I'll do this exact same measure if needed to take my guy out of the play. And I could be wrong, but it looks awfully close to the line of scrimmage if it is off at all and with Hand being a defensive end I would say the play was inside the tackle box if you drew a line where the play started before snap.

It is not where the block occurs but where the person making the block is lined up initially. #9 was the H back lined up in the backfield, he came across the formation in the backfield to make the cut block. I agree with WRs doing it and being allowed to do so. The Interior DL are coached to get their hands on a guy that is trying to cut him and push him into the dirt. Problem is, this happens with their shoulders parallel to the LOS because they know OL will cut to get their hands down for a quick pass such as a slant, so it can't be batted down. If Hand turns his shoulders to take on that block, he has lost leverage and given up a big run inside to the RB or a big run on the outside to the QB because he gave up his leverage and his containment responsibility.

Hand was playing in a 7 technique at the snap of the ball and closed down. He was likely anticipating that block to be up around his waist or shoulder pads. #9's intentions were to inflict pain, not make a block.

 

[BamaFan334]

It is not where the block occurs but where the person making the block is lined up initially. #9 was the H back lined up in the backfield, he came across the formation in the backfield to make the cut block. I agree with WRs doing it and being allowed to do so. The Interior DL are coached to get their hands on a guy that is trying to cut him and push him into the dirt. Problem is, this happens with their shoulders parallel to the LOS because they know OL will cut to get their hands down for a quick pass such as a slant, so it can't be batted down. If Hand turns his shoulders to take on that block, he has lost leverage and given up a big run inside to the RB or a big run on the outside to the QB because he gave up his leverage and his containment responsibility.

Hand was playing in a 7 technique at the snap of the ball and closed down. He was likely anticipating that block to be up around his waist or shoulder pads. #9's intentions were to inflict pain, not make a block.

Hard to argue against the rules of course, but it just wasn't dirty in my mind. The fact Hand wasn't engaged makes me feel it wasn't a dirty hit. He clearly saw the guy coming and you simply never know what will go down as it is, so I think that's why I feel the way I feel. No penalty and even coach said it was a legal hit, though I didn't hear any explanation. TerryP and I have come to the conclusion there are always positives and negatives to any discussion, so in the end, who is ever right?

 

[UAgrad93]

Not arguing, but go back and watch their 1st 2 drives of the game. They ran the exact same play each drive. The first play, Hand slants hard to the left and #9 blocks no one. The second time, Hand shuffles inside and stones #9, who is coming in about chest high. I haven't gotten any further, but it looks like #9 has finally said "f$*€ it! I'm tired of hitting this summbitch high and getting my ass chewed!"
Maybe I have misinterpreted the reading of the rule or it is left to the subjectivity of the official, but there sure seems to be intent to injure on that "block".

 

[Tidestalker]

Hard to argue against the rules of course, but it just wasn't dirty in my mind. The fact Hand wasn't engaged makes me feel it wasn't a dirty hit. He clearly saw the guy coming and you simply never know what will go down as it is, so I think that's why I feel the way I feel. No penalty and even coach said it was a legal hit, though I didn't hear any explanation. TerryP and I have come to the conclusion there are always positives and negatives to any discussion, so in the end, who is ever right?

That's how I feel... Reading the rule snippet UAgrad posted leaves me a little confused. I see where he's coming from but i also see the bolded inside the tackle box... and just the general idea that he's not already engaged and see's it coming... Just doesn't seem dirty.

 

[BamaFan334]

Not arguing, but go back and watch their 1st 2 drives of the game. They ran the exact same play each drive. The first play, Hand slants hard to the left and #9 blocks no one. The second time, Hand shuffles inside and stones #9, who is coming in about chest high. I haven't gotten any further, but it looks like #9 has finally said "f$*€ it! I'm tired of hitting this summbitch high and getting my ass chewed!"
Maybe I have misinterpreted the reading of the rule or it is left to the subjectivity of the official, but there sure seems to be intent to injure on that "block".

My initial thought was maybe he thought he couldn't handle him up high. So with you thinking the same we can definitely get on the same page as for why it happened.