🏈 ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit: Mathieu dismissal at LSU swings his SEC pick to Alabama

ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit raised eyebrows when he correctly picked Auburn to win the SEC West in 2010. Last year, he took Alabama as SEC champion, and although that didn't happen, the Crimson Tide won the national title in an SEC rematch over LSU.
Herbstreit's 2012 SEC prediction: Alabama beats Georgia in Atlanta -- thanks to the dismissal of LSU's Tyrann Mathieu.

"We're kind of in an either-or situation with Alabama and LSU," Herbstreit said during an interview today. "They are so much better than everybody else."

Like many prognosticators, Herbstreit liked LSU to win the SEC until Mathieu was dismissed last week.

"I think that's such a significant loss for them," Herbstreit said. "I think Tyrann Mathieu meant so much to LSU, not just with his returns and play-making ability but his leadership. I think the timing of taking him away has a negative impact on LSU."

Herbstreit's main question about Alabama is how Nick Saban and Kirby Smart will replace so many key defensive players from last season's national championship team. Seven starters are gone from the 2011 defense, plus some key reserves.

"Because experience goes so far in picking up Nick and Kirby's system, it's impossible to sit here and predict how quickly not only the starting 11 will pick it up, but others too," Herbstreit said. "It's the nickel situation. It's the dime package. They lost nine players off that group.

"It's not just putting in guys who played some, like (C.J.) Mosley and (Nico) Johnson and (Adrian) Hubbard. It's the guys behind them and when they rotate guys how will they do? Will there be a significant drop-off?"

Alabama was in this position in 2010 after a national championship, having lost many important parts on defense. The Crimson Tide went 10-3 and gave up 35, 24 and 28 points in the three defeats.

"I think inexperience cost them a couple times in 2010," Herbstreit said. "Nick will say, 'Let's not let that happen again.' I think that could be an advantage of such a recent history with a lack of experience."

For Auburn, Herbstreit said eight or nine wins would be a "remarkable" year considering it's a fairly young team learning a new offense. Three of Auburn's first four games are against Clemson in Atlanta, at Mississippi State and home vs. LSU.

"You're looking at if they can get to 2-2 they'd be fortunate, and 3-1 they'd be playing with house money," Herbstreit said. "After that, the schedule opens up for them. The concern for me with Auburn is here's a team that won the national championship in 2010, had to fight and scratch and claw to get to eight wins last year, and now look at how competitive the SEC West is."

Herbstreit expects to see a more traditional Auburn football team under new coordinators Brian VanGorder and Scot Loeffler. Herbstreit thinks the more-experienced defense will be attacking with multiple schemes to try to confuse offenses.

The biggest changes he envisions are on Auburn's offense.

"That's where you'll see a big difference from Gus Malzahn, who had like a Chinese fire drill in the backfield with all the motions they did," Herbstreit said. "Even though it was successful with a Cam Newton, it takes a really, really unique quarterback with a certain skill set to run that kind of offense.

"For Gene Chizik to change to Scot Loeffler, that's kind of who Auburn is. I'm guessing it's going to be a little more traditional pro-style offense and try to take advantage of a big, strong offensive line. Over the long haul, that's probably in the best interest of Auburn football."

Herbstreit likes Georgia winning the SEC East because of its advantageous schedule, Aaron Murray's experience, and the Bulldogs' returning defense. "It's kind of the trifecta for a team to be successful," he said. (For the record, Herbstreit picked Alabama to beat South Carolina for the SEC title last year, and it turned out to be LSU over Georgia.)

The SEC sits at six straight national championships. Herbstreit said two teams nationally could knock off the SEC: Florida State and USC.

Florida State generated lots of hype before 2011 and fizzled, but Herbstreit said he thought at the time the Seminoles were a year or two away. Now he looks at a schedule in which he thinks the Seminoles will be heavy favorites for every game except a road trip to Virginia Tech.

"I think their defense will maybe be the best in the country," Herbstreit said. "I think they have the offense to put around E.J. Manuel, and they really have a chance to return to their glory years."

Herbstreit said the attention surrounding USC is justified based on the Trojans' offense. He wonders whether USC's depth -- the Trojans are playing with scholarship limits due to NCAA violations -- will hold up on defense.

"Selfishly for me, it would be fun to see Matt Barkley and his receivers, Robert Woods and Marqise Lee, match up vs. an SEC defense," Herbstreit said. "We've never gotten that, even with all those great teams with Pete Carroll."
 
Totally disagree that Mathieu is that important. I won't give them that out. If they don't win it won't be because Mathieu is gone.

I tend to agree with the AU excerpt. 8-9 wins
 
The Honey Bonger was important more because of the "swagger" he gave LSU's team, especially the D. With what happened in NO, they have already been having a mojo crisis. It would not shock me if they drop an SEC game before we play them.
 
The Honey Bonger was important more because of the "swagger" he gave LSU's team, especially the D. With what happened in NO, they have already been having a mojo crisis. It would not shock me if they drop an SEC game before we play them.

If they're that shaky they'd be screwed anyway.

If he thought LSU was a better team before, his opinion shouldn't change that drastically. I don't know that I'd take LSU over Bama regardless of who they have.
 
Mathieu as a defensive back never really made me worry. He's a good player, but not just an all out stud. To me he's kind of like Javier Arenas without near the cover skills of Javy. That being said, I don't know how their kickoff and punt returner situation is but losing Mathieu in that aspect does hurt. If their offense is anemic and they don't have that returner to kind of get them great field position on a consistent basis then it's not good for them. I don't want to hear about Mettenberger either. For all the flack Alabama gets on defense for being inexperienced I never hear a word about Mettenberger never having taken a snap. Anyways, I don't think that losing Mathieu should change anyone's mind about who would make it to Atlanta. One player doesn't, or at least shouldn't, solely determine whether a team makes it...especially not the over-hyped Honey Badger. It's not like he's at the Tim Tebow level of importance.
 
One player, that's all it took for Kirk to change his mind?

Well Kirk must have seen a lot more out of Tyrann Mathieu in the BCSCG than I did...

He's looking at Mathieu in more than one game, as should we.

It's easy for me to see how the loss of one player can change a persons mind. Just as one example, if he was using a type of tally sheet weighing advantages for different groups, he could have given the LSU secondary the edge because of returning experience with Reid and TM vs Lester and Milliner. The lose of Mathieu swings that group towards Bama. The same could be said for special teams but that's probably now a wash.

I've heard Kirk mention the possibility that one of three games last year could have had a different outcome without Mathieu; Arkansas, Georgia, and Oregon. He's used those games and the special teams play of Tyrann—specifically returns for TD's—as his main point.
 
I dont see how one guy can make Herbstreits mind change so quickly. Mathieu is good, really good, but.....but he isnt a QB, or RB, or LB for that matter. CB's are important, but I dont think they make or break a team. I think LSU will be just as good without him. They might not have the same highlight plays in the defensive backfield, but they are solid. Remember, LSU has had a ton of good recruiting classes also. Im sure there is someone on that roster that will step up and take over Mathieu's spot. I still look for LSU and Alabama to roll into Baton Rouge in Novemeber with undefeated records and both teams will be in the top 3. Anything less would be a disapointment.
 
... It would not shock me if they drop an SEC game before we play them.

I said this same thing recently to a friend. Think of how many program-changing beat downs Saban has had at Bama. How many times have we seen a rival program lose its coach, national hype, or mystique after a climactic game against Saban? I mean, the list of schools that have never been the same is quite impressive if you review each of Saban's seasons at Bama.

Simply put, I can definitely foresee a disappointing season for LSU this year along with a gradual decline over the next few seasons resulting in Miles being run out of town after failing to appear in Atlanta for 3 or 4 consecutive seasons. That is how significant of a game I believe last year's national title game will prove over time to be. Miles has already seen his best at LSU, and LSU has already seen its best under Miles. A different coach will take them to their next championship.

Their schedule is easy enough this year, and they return too much talent not to win 10+ games. However, I think too much hype has been given to their new QB without even playing a down. And let's face it. Miles prefers a physical offensive style, and without an adequate precision passer and a highly disciplined offense, LSU will always struggle with the two or three defenses each year that can match their physicality.

As for the Honey Badger, I really think his impact last year was the result of many fortuitous opportunities. Seriously, go back and review his highlight reel. It's not like he was dominating his opponent game in and game out. NFL scouts have already ripped his cover skills. He just had a few balls bounce his way, literally! So he can return punts. I'm sure LSU's roster has about two or three others who can return punts just as well. His absence is a non-story on such a talented roster without the hoopla of his nickname and the pure luck of so many of his highlights last season.
 
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I have a strange feeling LSU is going to lose 3 this year. I know that sounds crazy, but I've just got a gut feeling they will lose 3 and all in the SEC west; Bama, Arky, and......... Auburn. I know - crazy. Just got a feeling Aubbie is going to beat LSwho at Jordan-Hare - the whole visiting team trend thing has to end. It's all cycles.
 
I think Herbie is comparing Bama and LSU and thinks it is a toss up between the two as to who will win the SEC. Then, Honey Badger gets kicked, and now there is a slight edge to Bama and thus the switch (where previously he may have LSU ahead just because we play them in Baton Rouge). I wouldn't read too much into it more than that, just a slight edge to Bama now that Badger is gone.
 
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