🏈 Da'Shawn Hand arrested for DUI...

[kbama15]

I've been there before, my keys were in the car but I was so drunk I couldn't find them. it was one of those situations where the cop found me asleep but, left me alone.

 

[rueben]

Not "on the side of the road" he was in the parking lot.

A parking lot is typically on the side of the road.

You do understand the difference between a car parked on the side of the road, and a car parked in a parking lot, don't you?

 

[bamachine]

^Of course, I was being a smartass.

 

[planomateo]

From today's presser (live at the moment)

 

[#80]

Mr. Hand is lucky things could have been much worse. Now lets see how many times he can sack Francios.

 

[Tidestalker]

I'm glad Nick saw it the way I did... lol

 

[TUSKtimes]

Seems about right for a player drinking but not driving.

 

[BamaFan334]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/a/3660...spend-alabama-de-deshawn-hand-for-dui-charge/

Yep, no suspension as long as he complies. Lucky dude.

 

[musso]

A college senior drinks ... and doesn't drive ... gets arrested and chastised by moralizing media and fans ... amazing what college football players have to endure without pay.

 

[Destiny's Child]

A college senior drinks ... and doesn't drive ... gets arrested and chastised by moralizing media and fans ... amazing what college football players have to endure without pay.

I agree they have to put up with some crap. The guy gets his buzz on, gets to the car and thinks better of driving, cranks the car for the a/c because hello it's July in Alabama and of course the media and our competitors are taken back by Saban not suspending the kid. I think he made a mature decision.

The without pay part is BS in my opinion, for the ones that want to go pro they get free marketing on stations were national ad rates are crazy expensive and on air promotional pieces are stupid expensive. They get a guaranteed and free education that will last them much longer than a rookie contract in the NFL for anyone after a top 20 pick.

As a dad with 4 kids that I get to help thru college.. I can tell you an education, degree, room and board, free food, medical expenses, parking, 24/7 tutoring, free access to educational center "is getting paid for it". I agree that they should increase the stipends because the cost of living has skyrocketed.. thanks to the Obama administration but this crap about not being paid for their service is complete horse shit.. IMHO.

 

[planomateo]

Many folks would do anything to be in their position getting tutoring to get through college, having unlimited meals, getting $3500 a year, getting pretty much all the Alabama gear you'd ever want. I'm not saying it's easy, but they are getting something that took me many years to accomplish in night school while working a full-time job. I'm not complaining about my path, because I've had a pretty damn good life.

Spare me the "what college football players have to endure without pay" nonsense.

 

[musso]

@planomateo and @Destiny's Child ,
It is presumptuous to project your sensibilities onto someone else. Yes, a measure of value is returned to a percentage of players. But it is dishonest and self-serving to dismiss the preference of a more market-driven means of compensation when such an option is denied to players.

It's interesting that days after I posted in an earlier thread that I foresee the formation of a super-division eligible for player compensation, Saban said on ESPN that he would like to see power conference schools only play other power conference schools. The effect of what he proposed is essentially the same as what I proposed, minus the explicit advocacy of paying the players. But once you end cupcake scheduling, you trim a lot of bottom-feeding football programs. You then set yourself up for a two-tiered NCAA/amateur system where the top-tier is comprised of the elite NFL-caliber prospects, which could be integrated into an NFL-administered compensation plan.

 

[planomateo]

@planomateo and @Destiny's Child ,
It is presumptuous to project your sensibilities onto someone else. Yes, a measure of value is returned to a percentage of players. But it is dishonest and self-serving to dismiss the preference of a more market-driven means of compensation when such an option is denied to players.

It's interesting that days after I posted in an earlier thread that I foresee the formation of a super-division eligible for player compensation, Saban said on ESPN that he would like to see power conference schools only play other power conference schools. The effect of what he proposed is essentially the same as what I proposed, minus the explicit advocacy of paying the players. But once you end cupcake scheduling, you trim a lot of bottom-feeding football programs. You then set yourself up for a two-tiered NCAA/amateur system where the top-tier is comprised of the elite NFL-caliber prospects, which could be integrated into an NFL-administered compensation plan.

What kinda pay are you suggesting for these student athletes?

 

[musso]

Well there is what's feasible and then what's defensible. What I've stated before as a likely (i.e. feasible) scenario is a financial separation of "top" programs from the rest of the NCAA. You can envision the two top revenue-generating college sports, football and basketball, being more closely managed by their corresponding professional monopolies, the NFL and NBA respectively.

So if you're a high school recruit, your goal is to get a "scholarship" to a program in the top-tier where you will be compensated and receive the best training for "professional" promotion. This elite college league will be a more overt minor league for the pros. For the players who end up un-drafted or injured they will at least be given a college degree. And you could lengthen the shelf-life of the scholarship to life-long eligibility, since you could also imagine that the 3-year college minimum would be likely relaxed.

The remaining college football programs would likely return to a status closer to their Intramural origins. Who knows, they could evolve into a more pure, originalist amateur sport with local and decentralized fan support. But the professional monopolies would selfishly reserve their blessing and promotion for their elite leagues with elite athletic specimens.

These changes could dovetail nicely with the changing landscape of higher ed and public education in general. The inflation within education has reached levels which are compelling leaders to change the system. Moreover, the economy isn't demanding 4-year college degrees as much anymore. Also, the internet is economizing learning and disrupting the whole credentialing process. The idea of state governments funding multiple institutions of brick-and-mortar colleges and universities is becoming antiquated when virtually everything taught in college is available online for a fraction of the cost (or even free!). Already we are seeing athletic programs comprise a larger slice of expenses as academics decrease in their costs. It's a bad look when the percentage of your educational budget devoted to athletics and field/facility maintenance is escalating in a fragile economy.

So all of these forces are combining with greater public sympathy for the unpaid college athletes at the top revenue-generating programs to erode the foundation of the ubiquitous football-scholarship racket.

 

[musso]

https://youtu.be/tkgB3SnThoQ

Link

 

[Destiny's Child]

@planomateo and @Destiny's Child ,
It is presumptuous to project your sensibilities onto someone else. Yes, a measure of value is returned to a percentage of players. But it is dishonest and self-serving to dismiss the preference of a more market-driven means of compensation when such an option is denied to players.

It's interesting that days after I posted in an earlier thread that I foresee the formation of a super-division eligible for player compensation, Saban said on ESPN that he would like to see power conference schools only play other power conference schools. The effect of what he proposed is essentially the same as what I proposed, minus the explicit advocacy of paying the players. But once you end cupcake scheduling, you trim a lot of bottom-feeding football programs. You then set yourself up for a two-tiered NCAA/amateur system where the top-tier is comprised of the elite NFL-caliber prospects, which could be integrated into an NFL-administered compensation plan.

Musso, no disrespect intended but I completely disagree with you. For the kid who wants to get paid immediately join the CFL. The money made by the football program supports many other activities on campus, like all women's sports and every other sport played. Also, thanks to title 9 and a government who thinks that way you can't pay a football player and not pay a women's basketball player the equivalent amount. The left would not allow it period.

Secondly, I disagree with the value of a degree for the professional work environment. They are necessary for the kind of jobs that allow you to retire one day, raise a family, pay for them to go to college. Only 1.5% of college football players make it to the pro's in any capacity according to the NCAA... hardly a minor leagues for the NFL. These kids get an education, they meet boosters who own businesses and operate firms. The have a great chance to set themselves up for a 30-40 year career much more valueable long term than a 3- 4 year pro career if the take it seriously. If they major in African studies, Sociology(looking at your Auburn), basket weaving or whatever then they are wasting the value of what they have been given. If they do it because that is the only way they can stay qualified to give themselves a chance of being one of the 1.5% and fail then they took a gamble and lost. Happens in my world everyday.

I understand the premise of your arguement but I just don't see it and I differ with you on the value these guys get out of their education.

Anyway.. Roll Tide.. we at least agree on that.

 

[musso]

@Destiny's Child ,
I work in higher ed. I know the stats. For example, people in my industry support a Bernie-like free college federal program because they know it's essentially a bailout of a failing post-secondary system. Certainly others idealistically (and naively I would add) think free college will improve the citizenry. Everyone acknowledges that universities have grown lethargic in equipping students for the labor market. Rising student loan defaults and unemployed college graduates prove this. Furthermore, state allocated resources for colleges and universities are on the decline, resulting in a dog-eat-dog rivalry between community colleges and universities.

In most cases, the value of college degrees are artificially created by fiat due to state and federal licensure mandates. In other words, we are told college is supposedly necessary for jobs, yet in many vocations the government requires the credentials that colleges provide. We have government limiting entrance and competition and erecting barriers to entry. But even this is applicable to a declining number of occupations as technology is disrupting educational delivery and assessment.

 

[utstnx]

Charges get tossed yet? I saw he wont be suspended.....but come on kick the charges and lets go get um!

 

[Destiny's Child]

I operate a

@Destiny's Child ,
I work in higher ed. I know the stats. For example, people in my industry support a Bernie-like free college federal program because they know it's essentially a bailout of a failing post-secondary system. Certainly others idealistically (and naively I would add) think free college will improve the citizenry. Everyone acknowledges that universities have grown lethargic in equipping students for the labor market. Rising student loan defaults and unemployed college graduates prove this. Furthermore, state allocated resources for colleges and universities are on the decline, resulting in a dog-eat-dog rivalry between community colleges and universities.

In most cases, the value of college degrees are artificially created by fiat due to state and federal licensure mandates. In other words, we are told college is supposedly necessary for jobs, yet in many vocations the government requires the credentials that colleges provide. We have government limiting entrance and competition and erecting barriers to entry. But even this is applicable to a declining number of occupations as technology is disrupting educational delivery and assessment.

I work in the media world and operate a business and do the hiring and unfortunately the firing sometimes. A diploma isn't a set in stone requirement and I don't think it prepares them for their career but there are many professional fields where you can't even be considered unless you have the degree. You have to apply online and without that piece of paper you can't even get started no matter how skilled you are or what ever may have held you back from going to college.

If you use your head and make a wise choice in what you study, the college degree that these guys are basically guaranteed along with the exposure and name recognition are worth much more than any pay day they might get for playing college football and even more than a player who turns pro, gets drafted in the second round a plays for an average length pro career. When you consider the percentage of that college scholarship athletes that make it to the pro's, more or less the 1st round of the draft... the education they get is much more valuable that getting a small paycheck in college, or even most pro careers.

I don't argue that the new college graduate has a harder time finding work or that the college degrees are easier to get. But some of that is due to the quality of the kids that are graduating and what skills they have not just the diploma. You would not believe the number of people that I have interviewed that, have a degree but don't know how to communicate.. how to meet a client face to face and carry on a conversation, how to talk on the phone, how to draft a letter, how to attend a client dinner and use proper etiquette or even how to be punctual and dress/look appropriate for business.

Even in my day a kid, coming out with a marketing degree barely new shit about marketing but they had other skills that allowed them to learn on the job. Today's young person have no manners, can't communicate well, know little about respect and have almost zero work ethic or ambition. That isn't the colleges fault that is the parents! While the colleges may be failing them too the primary thing holding these young people back are basic life skills that are lost in today's society.

 

[BamaFan334]

I operate a



I work in the media world and operate a business and do the hiring and unfortunately the firing sometimes. A diploma isn't a set in stone requirement and I don't think it prepares them for their career but there are many professional fields where you can't even be considered unless you have the degree. You have to apply online and without that piece of paper you can't even get started no matter how skilled you are or what ever may have held you back from going to college.

If you use your head and make a wise choice in what you study, the college degree that these guys are basically guaranteed along with the exposure and name recognition are worth much more than any pay day they might get for playing college football and even more than a player who turns pro, gets drafted in the second round a plays for an average length pro career. When you consider the percentage of that college scholarship athletes that make it to the pro's, more or less the 1st round of the draft... the education they get is much more valuable that getting a small paycheck in college, or even most pro careers.

I don't argue that the new college graduate has a harder time finding work or that the college degrees are easier to get. But some of that is due to the quality of the kids that are graduating and what skills they have not just the diploma. You would not believe the number of people that I have interviewed that, have a degree but don't know how to communicate.. how to meet a client face to face and carry on a conversation, how to talk on the phone, how to draft a letter, how to attend a client dinner and use proper etiquette or even how to be punctual and dress/look appropriate for business.

Even in my day a kid, coming out with a marketing degree barely new **** about marketing but they had other skills that allowed them to learn on the job. Today's young person have no manners, can't communicate well, know little about respect and have almost zero work ethic or ambition. That isn't the colleges fault that is the parents! While the colleges may be failing them too the primary thing holding these young people back are basic life skills that are lost in today's society.

I agree with everything you're saying here. Can't see the entire conversation due to blocking certain folks. I am in the accounting field and you can't go anywhere without a degree. Even AP folks need a two year degree these days, and you will not get a job as an accountant without a diploma, and that's 100% of the time. Engineering is another where you will never enter the ranks without a degree. A technician id all you can be with some certifications, but you will not be an engineer without a degree. It's not the end all be all, but a degree paves your future a lot better and quicker than working your way through the cracks without an education. None of these big time CEO's are just off the street or just out of high school. Sure, Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of HARVARD, but he was not your normal every day person as he aced his classes at Harvard and rode a business idea out that made him billions. Very few people in this world are capable, and he was more than worthy of a diploma, which you can't say that about a majority of others in this world.