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| FTBL Coach Saban post game comments to Eli and Snake
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Argo said:
I have thought about this often. I wondered about this last year when everyone was screaming for Shula's head but I think there is something in the minds of these players. I used to think it was the excuse "everyone gives Bama their best" and "we just don't have the talent" but I do not believe that La Mon. is a more talented team. I just don't know???
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Some people close to the program who have intimate knowledge will tell you that there were multiple reasons that CMS was fired.
People can shout "dont blame Shula for this one" all they want to, but then some people believe in the tooth fairy.
Folks, when Saban said that he saw this one coming, there is a reason for it...and it was not coaches or preparation...it was the way the players practiced and the attitudes they have. As another poster said, the program needs an enema...Saban is giving it one but the results are not instant...right now the solution is being administered. It will take a couple of seasons to flush the system...and then we will be very good.
LSU was in a similar situation when he got there. They had some talented players, but there were some problems as well. They lost to UAB...a team that was not as good in 2000 as La. Monroe is today.
Is there any excuse for losing to ULM? No, not really...but it happened. You guys know that I am not one to pull any punches when it comes to questioning Saban...but I am not going to question him on w's and l's. We lost our best offensive players year before last, and our best defensive players over the past two years. We have no depth and little talent. S&C takes time to improve...think back to Fran's first season and the strength difference in the second season...it takes time to get bigger, stronger, and faster...and it takes time to get top recruits in. We will have a top 5 recruiting class this year and next year. Next year we will be a top 20 team. Year after next a top 10.
Shula held the keys to the program for 4 years, but he did not drive it. We have less raw talent on the field now than we had when Shula took over in 2003, even if we have higher numbers. It takes time.
Think back to 2005.
On defense we had:
LE 92 W. Gilberry
RT 99 Jeremy Clark
RE 47 Mark Anderson
35 DeMeco Ryans
MLB 8 Freddie Roach
WLB 42 Juwan Simpson
NB 3 Jeffrey Dukes
LCB 1 Ramzee Robinson
FS 41 Roman Harper
SS 26 Charlie Peprah
RCB 9 Anthony Madison
Half of those guys are playing in the league right now. Almost all of them graduated over the previous 2 seasons, and most of Shula's recruits that replaced them could not start for any team in the SEC.
On offense we had:
QB 12 Brodie Croyle
FB 33 Le'Ron McClain
RB 34 Kenneth Darby
WR 81 Keith Brown
WR 11 Matt Caddell
TE 83 Travis McCall
LT 72 Chris Capps
LG 63 Mark Sanders
C 59 A. Caldwell
RG 61 B.J. Stabler
RT 58 Kyle Tatum
Brodie was lightyears ahead of JPW in many respects. Le'Ron and KD were very good. Even the OL were better across the board than what we started today...some of those guys had retained some of the S&C ethic from Ben Pollard.
We could pull McLain and put in Castille at FB. Does anyone think JJ or Huber are better than either of those guys?
Saban is trying to make chicken salad out of something not chicken...particularly as it pertains to his system. It will take time.
A player from 1992 told me before the season began that we did not have a single player on defense and only 1 or 2 on offense that would have made the 2 deep in 1992. That speaks volumes. Saban is the right man for the job, but IT TAKES TIME.
People can shout "dont blame Shula for this one" all they want to, but then some people believe in the tooth fairy.
Folks, when Saban said that he saw this one coming, there is a reason for it...and it was not coaches or preparation...it was the way the players practiced and the attitudes they have. As another poster said, the program needs an enema...Saban is giving it one but the results are not instant...right now the solution is being administered. It will take a couple of seasons to flush the system...and then we will be very good.
LSU was in a similar situation when he got there. They had some talented players, but there were some problems as well. They lost to UAB...a team that was not as good in 2000 as La. Monroe is today.
Is there any excuse for losing to ULM? No, not really...but it happened. You guys know that I am not one to pull any punches when it comes to questioning Saban...but I am not going to question him on w's and l's. We lost our best offensive players year before last, and our best defensive players over the past two years. We have no depth and little talent. S&C takes time to improve...think back to Fran's first season and the strength difference in the second season...it takes time to get bigger, stronger, and faster...and it takes time to get top recruits in. We will have a top 5 recruiting class this year and next year. Next year we will be a top 20 team. Year after next a top 10.
Shula held the keys to the program for 4 years, but he did not drive it. We have less raw talent on the field now than we had when Shula took over in 2003, even if we have higher numbers. It takes time.
Think back to 2005.
On defense we had:
LE 92 W. Gilberry
RT 99 Jeremy Clark
RE 47 Mark Anderson
35 DeMeco Ryans
MLB 8 Freddie Roach
WLB 42 Juwan Simpson
NB 3 Jeffrey Dukes
LCB 1 Ramzee Robinson
FS 41 Roman Harper
SS 26 Charlie Peprah
RCB 9 Anthony Madison
Half of those guys are playing in the league right now. Almost all of them graduated over the previous 2 seasons, and most of Shula's recruits that replaced them could not start for any team in the SEC.
On offense we had:
QB 12 Brodie Croyle
FB 33 Le'Ron McClain
RB 34 Kenneth Darby
WR 81 Keith Brown
WR 11 Matt Caddell
TE 83 Travis McCall
LT 72 Chris Capps
LG 63 Mark Sanders
C 59 A. Caldwell
RG 61 B.J. Stabler
RT 58 Kyle Tatum
Brodie was lightyears ahead of JPW in many respects. Le'Ron and KD were very good. Even the OL were better across the board than what we started today...some of those guys had retained some of the S&C ethic from Ben Pollard.
We could pull McLain and put in Castille at FB. Does anyone think JJ or Huber are better than either of those guys?
Saban is trying to make chicken salad out of something not chicken...particularly as it pertains to his system. It will take time.
A player from 1992 told me before the season began that we did not have a single player on defense and only 1 or 2 on offense that would have made the 2 deep in 1992. That speaks volumes. Saban is the right man for the job, but IT TAKES TIME.
Argo said:
Yep, and stadium environment does affect play and performance.
HiTide said:bear facts said:
I'm sure that's part of it. But this was suppose to be one of those "confidence building" games
I certainly hope the plan wasn't to lose to ULM. I think we were suppose to ease through to the Barn, not lose our way there.
Either way, it looks kinda bad.
AMEN. I would like to see 22 new players starting next week.
Big_Fan said:
Big_Fan, another solid post that I'm sure will receive some amens but when will the day come that Shula's name is not mentioned? :wink:
Is he the "debil" or something?
bamatommy said:
Throw off more than a few! You can say what you want about a winning attitude, we have too many guys who can't make a play. I'm good with an all freshman team next year.
Big_Fan said:
Amen!
Exactly my thoughts about our team's attitude.
It's all part of the Shula Effect©.
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Saban!
If you people think he is the second coming of christ , you better think again! you can't blame this loss on lack of talent. this is UL of monroe for christ sakes! Saban won at LSU because of the talent that was there to begin with! not because of his coaching talent. I think that was proven today. he doesn't even have a better record than what Shula had, Shula must be laughing his as off right now. :lol:
If you people think he is the second coming of christ , you better think again! you can't blame this loss on lack of talent. this is UL of monroe for christ sakes! Saban won at LSU because of the talent that was there to begin with! not because of his coaching talent. I think that was proven today. he doesn't even have a better record than what Shula had, Shula must be laughing his as off right now. :lol:
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I have never thought that Wilson was Sabans kinda qb. He is just dealing with hand is given.
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Re: Saban!
Doubt it being a Bama graduate and all. Shew,Troll.
Nobody even mention the second coming of Christ...yeah it is CAPITALIZED for a reason. More of a patience thing and not expecting everything to happen the first year.
ranger350 said:
Doubt it being a Bama graduate and all. Shew,Troll.
Nobody even mention the second coming of Christ...yeah it is CAPITALIZED for a reason. More of a patience thing and not expecting everything to happen the first year.
Re: Saban!
Ranger, you need to open the windows and clear the fog. This is ALL on Shula. We can't block, and we can barely tackle. JPW stinks. Period. Tell me one SEC team he could start on this year. He has talent, but half the time he's the best player on the other team. Our running backs are tiny, and the one that's not can't hold on to the ball! We need to start over. If this were the NFL I would be in favor of laying down next week so we could get the 1st round pick.
ranger350 said:
Ranger, you need to open the windows and clear the fog. This is ALL on Shula. We can't block, and we can barely tackle. JPW stinks. Period. Tell me one SEC team he could start on this year. He has talent, but half the time he's the best player on the other team. Our running backs are tiny, and the one that's not can't hold on to the ball! We need to start over. If this were the NFL I would be in favor of laying down next week so we could get the 1st round pick.
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bear facts said:
I can't answer that exactly. Probably no earlier than Saban's 3rd season - realistically. Folks still talk about DuBose and Fran...and even Price...and their players are no longer a part of this program.
If we want to say that Miles is winning with Saban's players, why then is it wrong to say that Saban is losing with Shula's? A tough pill to swallow - I like Mike...but true none the less. His recruiting was poor and the work ethic he instilled among his players poorer. We are reaping the "benefits" of it today. Does anyone honestly believe that Saban could undo 4 years of voluntary workouts in a single off season? We have some of the same stamina problems that plagued Shulas teams only they are manifesting themselves later in the season since there has been some improvement...but the root cause is the same thing.
I am on a diet trying to lose the 150 pounds of weight I have gained over the past 10 years (mainly the last 7). I started it in August and have lost 50 pounds. I am eating sensibly and working out hard, but I cannot realistically expect to lose it all and get back into shape in 6-8 months...I have a 12-18 month project...and I am not training to be a world class athlete like our players are. It takes time...the "Shula effect" as someone called it, will take longer to overcome...we can only sign 25 per class. When Saban's 2008 signees are Juniors, we should be in much better shape. That will be his 4th season. I guarantee you that we will be better in Saban's 4th year than we were in 2006.
