🌎 Charlie Kirk shot during speech in Utah...

Then I guess it was a perfect plan. By the way, you can't say it was a soft target and should've been covered, and in the next breath say that it was "allowed" to continue by the all-knowing invisible hand.

Throw everything against the wall, admit that it's all confusing, then say that was the plan all along...
It's easy to say it was allowed... Every spec ops analyst that come out.. said why in the hell is that building not being closely monitored?... That is one of the most important rules of event security watch the rooftops...Unexplainable lapses of security is inexcusable...People filmed suspects on the roof twice before Trump and this one...JFK officers being pulled off the limo...
Failure.. Oswald (patsy) failed and got caught...Then oddly a patriotic mobster guts him with a 38..Then he gets a strange cancer...
So it happens
 
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Some people believe everything is a conspiracy.
I can somewhat understand this. A lot of the alleged "conspiracy theories" during Covid ended up being the truth. Here's where I stand.

During Covid and reading, seeing, and hearing all of those conspiracy theories it always boiled down to a simple question, "does this make sense?" IE: Stay inside, locked up, to avoid an "airborne virus." Don't go outside! That was an easy one, right?

Here, it's another easy one. So many of these theories lack a core fundamental: they don't make sense with even the most cursory look. .

"Hey, I'm going to give you a signal when to shoot. I'll stand right behind him so you can see me give the signal in your sights/scope. When you see the signal, swing over and shoot him. I'll be right there. Bet?"

@It Takes Eleven
I am curious as to why ...

his roommate showed them forum messages regarding a need to pick up a rifle from a drop point

...he chose that forum and why he believed someone would help. I read a report yesterday that only briefly alluded to those messages. There was no real detail.
 
On a different note:

I mentioned how difficult it must have been for the father turning in his son.

I don't know anything about her other than a few brief glimpses into their lives over the last 48 hours. I can't imagine how difficult it was for his widow last night with her statement. I've never dealt with anything like this up close and personal. I admire the fortitude.

Ironic coincidences that suck? She grew up in a single parent home with her mother. History repeats itself with her children.
 
It's easy to say it was allowed... Every spec ops analyst that come out.. said why in the hell is that building not being closely monitored?... That is one of the most important rules of event security watch the rooftops...Unexplainable lapses of security is inexcusable...People filmed suspects on the roof twice before Trump and this one...JFK officers being pulled off the limo...
Failure.. Oswald (patsy) failed and got caught...Then oddly a patriotic mobster guts him with a 38..Then he gets a strange cancer...
So it happens
See, that's where your tender connection gets shredded. You lament the absence of adequate security, then you hold it to the standard of a special ops overwatch. The security there was town hall crowd control, not a secure event, so there was no apparatus in place to "allow" a rooftop shooter to proceed.

Trump's rooftop shooter? A huge error not having that roof in the secure area. That's on the Secret Service and, to a lesser degree, Trump's insistence on venues that were not easily managed due to location and lack of advance notice.

However, don't conflate the two events. No one was focused on rooftop activity at the Kirk event ahead of the shooting. Those were random videos.

Oswald...patsy...Ruby...patriot...cancer. Got it.

It's gameday. Roll Tide.
 
See, that's where your tender connection gets shredded. You lament the absence of adequate security, then you hold it to the standard of a special ops overwatch. The security there was town hall crowd control, not a secure event, so there was no apparatus in place to "allow" a rooftop shooter to proceed.

Trump's rooftop shooter? A huge error not having that roof in the secure area. That's on the Secret Service and, to a lesser degree, Trump's insistence on venues that were not easily managed due to location and lack of advance notice.

However, don't conflate the two events. No one was focused on rooftop activity at the Kirk event ahead of the shooting. Those were random videos.

Oswald...patsy...Ruby...patriot...cancer. Got it.

It's gameday. Roll Tide.
After the horrible bald faced lies told to the American people by the Office of POTUS DOJ/CIA/DOD/ATF/FBI since Bush Sr until now.. ANY AMERICAN should be extremely skeptical and suspicious of what we are told by this government and by this media...I could spend days typing it...Hopefully Everyone will wise up one day...but ROLL TIDE IS CORRECT..
 
I'm skimming a few articles about the professor at Clemson, his comments, and how people are calling for the University to fire them. All the way up to the AG. It's wild how people are reacting with some even saying Dabo getting fired is more important. Leads me to these cursory thoughts ...

I mentioned a few days ago people were getting fired for saying stupid things. I'm still hung up here. It's not only they said something like what we've seen, but we're looking at professors and teachers (among other in influential positions) thinking that what they are saying was going to be accepted. It was a thought that "everyone who works with me and my bosses are going to be okay with me posting this." I don't get the disconnect.

I do love the 1A arguments I'm seeing. This may be one of the more simple things I've seen. No one is telling them they can't say what they want to say. They are being told we don't like what you say, we don't want to work with someone who thinks this way, and therefore adios. Where's the issue? A boss doesn't like the character of an individual who celebrates this and doesn't want them around.

Right to work state laws ... another little wrench.
 
I'm skimming a few articles about the professor at Clemson, his comments, and how people are calling for the University to fire them. All the way up to the AG. It's wild how people are reacting with some even saying Dabo getting fired is more important. Leads me to these cursory thoughts ...

I mentioned a few days ago people were getting fired for saying stupid things. I'm still hung up here. It's not only they said something like what we've seen, but we're looking at professors and teachers (among other in influential positions) thinking that what they are saying was going to be accepted. It was a thought that "everyone who works with me and my bosses are going to be okay with me posting this." I don't get the disconnect.

I do love the 1A arguments I'm seeing. This may be one of the more simple things I've seen. No one is telling them they can't say what they want to say. They are being told we don't like what you say, we don't want to work with someone who thinks this way, and therefore adios. Where's the issue? A boss doesn't like the character of an individual who celebrates this and doesn't want them around.

Right to work state laws ... another little wrench.
Unless Dabo goes 0-12, he’s not getting fired. He has a grace period.
 
If this is what happened, and it appears to be likely, that's a wild position to be in watching TV.

My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me, RN. Not answering.



Utah County DA reads the full text message exchange between Charlie Kirk’s assassin and his transgender boyfriend/roommate after committing the murder:

ROBINSON: "Drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard."

ROOMMATE: "You are joking right?"

ROBINSON: "I am still okay, my love. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you."

ROOMMATE: "You weren't the one who did it, right?"

ROBINSON: "I am, I am, I'm sorry."

ROOMMATE: "I thought they caught the person."

ROBINSON: "No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering."

ROOMMATE: "Why?"

ROBINSON: "Why did I do it? I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it."

ROOMMATE: "How long have you been planning this?"

ROBINSON: "A bit over a week, I believe. I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. IDEK if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints."

"How the F will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how he was engraving bullets? The F in messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notice bulge U-W-U on Fox News, I might have a stroke, all right, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really F in sucks. Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine IDK. I think that was a 2K dollar scope."

"Delete this exchange. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me, RN. Not answering. Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA. I'm gonna turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you are all I worry about love. Don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent."
 
I am unable to comprehend why this occurred, and the issue will never comprehend why this occurred!I am unable to comprehend why this occurred, and the issue will never comprehend why this occurred! I know we have some on here that don't see Eye to Eye. But none of us will kill anyone because of this. My thoughts constantly drift to his wife and children witnessing this take place!
 
I am unable to comprehend why this occurred, and the issue will never comprehend why this occurred!I am unable to comprehend why this occurred, and the issue will never comprehend why this occurred! I know we have some on here that don't see Eye to Eye. But none of us will kill anyone because of this. My thoughts constantly drift to his wife and children witnessing this take place!
Mentally ill or full of hate are the only explanations I can come up with.
 
Now that is different... but the most troubling thing about most of the school shootings (lately) is that they were on a radar of trouble or law enforcement... BUT the worst part is this government still allows the schools to be shooting gallery gun free zones... since Columbine they have know this... They do nothing on a state or federal level... now eventually you have to come to the conclusion that they're going to allow kids to die... because they want gun control, at any cost... that is the first thing that they trumpet when these things happen... parents should sue every school into oblivion that does not have capable armed resources officers and volunteer staff...

Some states have passed laws that allow staff members approved by the local superintendent to carry a sidearm in schools. There is training that each person must go through on a yearly basis. Open carry states and conceal carry folks are allowed to have a weapon locked in their vehicle on school property and other places that do not allow weapons to be carried into a facility.
 
Some states have passed laws that allow staff members approved by the local superintendent to carry a sidearm in schools. There is training that each person must go through on a yearly basis. Open carry states and conceal carry folks are allowed to have a weapon locked in their vehicle on school property and other places that do not allow weapons to be carried into a facility.
Our church now has secured members that walk around checking. Sad thing is locking the doors!
 
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