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There has been every indication so far that when college football's postseason goes to a four-team playoff to determine its champion in 2014 that a forthcoming selection committee will give all due consideration to a team's strength of schedule.

Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops will believe it when he sees it.

"Yeah," Stoops said. "I'd like to see it."

Stoops is dubious that a commission of humans can pay attention to every team's schedule over a period of three months.

"Everybody says that," he said. "Even voters."

Stoops and the Sooners were disappointed by that very notion just last season.

"Going into the bowl games, Northern Illinois had one loss, we had two," Stoops said. "Theirs was to Iowa, right? Ours were to Notre Dame and K-State. And they're ranked ahead of us - well, they got the bid to the BCS bowl ahead of us."

At a press conference before last week's Sooner Caravan stop in Tulsa, Stoops reiterated his stance from last December, when Northern Illinois lost the season opener to an Iowa team that finished 4-8, then won its next 12 in a row, including a Mid-American Conference championship victory over Kent State. That last win jumped the Huskies from No. 21 to No. 15 in the BCS standing and thus into an automatic berth in the BCS field, where they promptly lost 31-10 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl.

The Sooners, meanwhile, lost only to 11-1 Kansas State and 12-0 Notre Dame, and, stuck at No. 11 in the BCS rankings, didn't get the last at-large berth.

Had Northern Illinois finished outside the top 16, OU would have gone to the Sugar Bowl instead of the Cotton Bowl. But voters became enamored with NIU's underdog role and rewarded the Huskies for a great season.

That's fine, of course. But irrefutable empirical data was cast aside in the process: Oklahoma went 10-2 against a schedule that ranked 15th in the nation. Northern Illinois went 12-1 with a schedule strength of 117th.

That's out of 120 teams.

"If they went through our whole schedule, would they have been 11-1? I doubt it," Stoops said. "So obviously then, the voters, it didn't matter that much to 'em. And it's not right."

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There is, of course, some slight flaws in this argument.

Northern Illinois shouldn't be punished just because the rest of the MAC is so dreary. Remember when Boise State was always downgraded because of how weak the rest of the Western Athletic Conference was? It wasn't that long ago. Well, Boise State finally got its shot (against OU) and proved - several times - that it deserves inclusion among the nation's elite.

And by the same token, Oklahoma did lose its two toughest games, K-State and Notre Dame. Should the Sooners or anyone else be rewarded for games they didn't win? Should the selection committee pick its field simply on good scheduling intentions? Probably not.

But on the whole, Stoops is right. When one team's schedule is 15th and another's is 117th, that should be obvious. BCS voters dropped the ball. Or maybe they had grown tired of seeing the Sooners underachieve in the BCS.

To be clear, Stoops wasn't still complaining about not getting a BCS spot five months after the fact. That ship has sailed, sunk to the bottom, was dredged up, cut up for scrap and melted down.

But his analogy is entirely valid, and it's the same point he makes every fall: When rankings are compiled, the only number anyone takes seriously to grade a team up or down is that team's losses.

Who's the best one-loss team? Who's the best two-loss team?

The College Football Playoff selection committee must be above that kind of thinking.

"I think the schedule you play does matter," Stoops said. "The cumulative effect of playing good teams week in and week out is different."

Stoops worries that any human biases can't be removed, whether it's from sitting athletic directors or retired coaches, accredited media or a dedicated committee.

"There's an agenda to everything everybody does," he said. "Pretty much. Right? Be honest."

Stoops, that old-school coach who tweets to recruits and has his own website that's badly in need of updating, can't decide who should compose the selection committee, but isn't above relying on technology.

That's right. Computers.

"That'd be great," Stoops said. "It'd cause all kinds of debate. It'd fill up newspapers, TV time, air time. I think it'd be awesome. You guys would have all kind of things to be critical of."

Some kind of system that aggregates empirical data, like the Ratings Percentage Index used in selecting the NCAA basketball or baseball tournaments, should be implemented, Stoops said, taking into account a given team's strength of schedule and road performances and wins against the top 25 and losses to the bottom 100 and so on.

"I would hope so, because I would think it would matter," he said. "Otherwise, why are we going to Notre Dame this year? Why did we travel to Florida State two years ago?

"You know, if you're not gonna be rewarded for it, then just play a bunch of softies and try to be undefeated."
 
No argument here on the statements regarding N. Illinois. As evidenced by the final score, they had no business playing in the BCS bowl games.

But, but. I'm left with this alternative. The only thing that would have happened if OU had been in Miami instead of N. Illinois is we'd have had a game with more attractive names. We wouldn't have necessarily had a better Orange Bowl. If you think about it, we have—in FSU and OU—two of the more hyped, but disappointing teams in football last season.

One thing jumps out at me. It's mentioned that the only thing voters were looking at was the loss column. Then, as an argument for OU, he uses the two teams where the Sooners lost?

If the argument needs to be made that a team like N. Illinois shouldn't have played in a BCS bowl game because there were teams that were far better suited—with better resumes—that should have played it also should be argued that the rule only allowing two teams from a conference to play in BCS games is flawed.

Just as one of a few examples, can anyone provide an argument that says TAMU didn't deserve a BCS invitation more than N. Illinois? And, as a completely rhetorical question, is there anyone who believes TAMU wouldn't deserve an invitation over the Sooners IF N. Illinois were left out of this picture?

It's my opinion—well, let's call it a strong notion—that Stoops is already playing the political game in order to position his program to get an invitation to the playoffs when they likely won't deserve one.
 
"Going into the bowl games, Northern Illinois had one loss, we had two," Stoops said. "Theirs was to Iowa, right? Ours were to Notre Dame and K-State. And they're ranked ahead of us - well, they got the bid to the BCS bowl ahead of us."

Can't argue with this one. I don't understand the notion of giving a team that plays in a weaker conference, the nod over a team in a strong conference with the same, or close to same, number of losses.

I blame this all on Boise State. If Bob would have just beat the hell out of them like the was supposed to, these little dinky teams wouldn't even be a thought. But that statue of liberty play changed the game forever, in my mind.
 
Can't argue with this one. I don't understand the notion of giving a team that plays in a weaker conference, the nod over a team in a strong conference with the same, or close to same, number of losses.

I blame this all on Boise State. If Bob would have just beat the hell out of them like the was supposed to, these little dinky teams wouldn't even be a thought. But that statue of liberty play changed the game forever, in my mind.

Can't leave out the Utes :)
 
To bring credibility to the discussion (remember where Kansas finished the season), Stoops has called on his good friend in Kansas....Charlie Weis :rofl:

Ironically, Kansas lost to Northern Illinois last year...


http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/67063/weis-stoops-has-a-point-in-sec-criticism

DALLAS -- Kansas coach Charlie Weis spent a season as Florida's offensive coordinator under Will Muschamp in 2011. He joins Iowa State's Paul Rhoads (Auburn defensive coordinator in 2008) as the only Big 12 head coaches with experience in the SEC since its run of seven national titles began at the end of the 2006 season.

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Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops has been out of the SEC since his days as Florida's defensive coordinator from 1996-98, but made headlines with some sharp critiques of that conference's current status as college football's kingpin.

"You’re listening to a lot of propaganda that gets fed out to you. You’re more than smart enough to figure it out," Stoops told the Tulsa World. "Again, you can look at the top two, three, four, five, six teams, and you can look at the bottom six, seven, eight, whatever they are. How well are they all doing?"

Stoops' comments have ignited something of a debate in the past week, but Weis, who hadn't heard anything of Stoops' comments until I informed him of them Thursday, says the Sooners coach is speaking the truth.

"Do you know the stats? In the SEC, the record of the good guys and the bad guys?" Weis asked ESPN.com in a recent interview.

"The stats" to which Weis is referring have appeared a few times on this blog, and paint the SEC as a league devoid of parity, at least last season. The conference's bottom eight teams went 0-30 against the top six teams in 2012.

"I’m just sayin’, you look at the bottom of our league and the bottom of their league, just going based off the numbers, there’s validity in what he said," Weis said. "I’m just going based off the numbers, I mean, I’m a numbers guy. Just based off the numbers, you’d have to say he’s got a point."

The Big 12 and SEC both sent nine teams to bowl games, but that number meant 90 percent of the Big 12 participated in the postseason, the highest number of any conference in college football history.

"We were the only team in the whole league that didn’t play in a bowl game. It was us. We were the sole member," Weis said. "You talk about bottom-feeders, you think Iowa State was a bottom-feeder?"

Certainly not. The Cyclones have reached bowl games in three of the past four seasons, never finishing the regular season with a record better than more than three Big 12 teams. Iowa State reached a bowl in spectacular fashion in 2011, upsetting BCS No. 2 Oklahoma State and derailing the Cowboys' national title hopes.

The Big 12 hasn't been able to beat the top of the SEC on the field in quite awhile, but Stoops, Weis and I are in agreement on at least one front: The bottom of the Big 12 is anything but a sure victory for any team in the league.
 
"I’m just sayin’, you look at the bottom of our league and the bottom of their league, just going based off the numbers, there’s validity in what he said," Weis said. "I’m just going based off the numbers, I mean, I’m a numbers guy. Just based off the numbers, you’d have to say he’s got a point."

It's based on those numbers that make his point laughable, IMO.

I wish someone would bring up to the point to either of these two coaches that within these nine teams they had go to a bowl game, five had losing records in conference play. Two, with winning records, were only a game over .500.

In other words, a lot of bad teams beating up on each other. That's especially true when you see both of their "good teams" lost their bowl games.

OK, perhaps I should give more credit to Okie State beating Purdue. :sarca:
 
Wikipedia: Stoops penchant for winning the big games early in his career earned him the nickname "Big Game Bob"

Um....where did this guy go?....maybe it should now be "Big Baby Bob"
Wait... what? I thought they called him that because his OK teams always choked on the big games? Kinda like nicknaming the big guy "Tiny".
 
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[h=1]Bob Stoops leads entire state of Oklahoma ā€œUp In Smokeā€[/h]
It’s been a week since Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops made his idiotic statements to The Tulsa World about the SEC’s perceived dominance being ā€œa lot of propaganda that gets fed out to you.ā€ His argument was this: The top half of a league isn’t what determines its strength, but instead it’s how well the celler dwellars in the league are doing.

ā€œIt depends on who you want to listen to,ā€ Stoops said. ā€œListen, they’ve had the best team in college football, meaning they’ve won the national championship. That doesn’t mean everything else is always the best.ā€

I’m not sure what Stoops is smoking, but it sounds like his comments came right after he set the bong back on the table. And apparently, according to this ESPN SportsNation stat, the entire state of Oklahoma is toking right along with him:

And then there is the perenial loser Charlie Weis, who by his sheer girth alone is obviously in charge of the post-ganja snacks:

ā€œDo you know the stats?,ā€ said Weis in an interview with ESPN.com. ā€œIn the SEC, the record of the good guys and the bad guys? [...] I’m just sayin’, you look at the bottom of our league and the bottom of their league, just going based off the numbers, there’s validity in what he said. I’m just going based off the numbers, I mean, I’m a numbers guy. Just based off the numbers, you’d have to say he’s got a point.ā€ Perhaps the best comments on the matter came from Alabama head coach Nick Saban and Florida head coach Will Muschamp. Muschamp, who spent 3 years at the University of Texas, shared his thoughts with the Palm Beach (Fla.) Post:

ā€œI’d be saying the same thing if I were in the Big 12. I said it for three years.ā€

And Saban, who has perfected the formal ā€œscrew youā€?

ā€œI’ve got more important things to do than sit around and read what Bob Stoops has to say about anything.ā€

Until someone can knock off the SEC in that last game of the season, or prevent them from getting into the game itself, you’re going to see more and more animosity around the country from coaches who know better. A streak of three championships to them was intriguing. A streak of five was annoying. A streak of seven is apparently maddening.

These coaches, who get paid to succeed, are getting processed without ever having to face Nick Saban and Alabama, or the league’s other heavy hitters. And to add insult to injury, the once middle-of-the-pack Big 12 member Texas A&M is now doing as much damage to its former league’s image as the others.
On the recruiting trail, coaches like Stoops and Weis are fighting the well-earned perception of the SEC’s dominance on the landscape of college football. And instead of stepping up, learning how to play defense, and winning the game, they attempt to put things on a lower shelf where they and their fans can reach them, and change the game itself. Or at least the game of perception.

Who knows. Maybe if Nick Saban’s last taste of significance came in George W. Bush’s first term, he might say stupid things too. But until that day comes, my guess is the next state to legalize marijuana will be none other than Oklahoma. By the looks of things, they’re halfway there.
 
Out of curiousity, I looked over the 247 composite rankings for the 2014 recruits out of the state of TX. Out of the top 50, right now there are more kids committed to SEC schools than Big12 schools: 13 vs 11.

As you might expect, TAMU leads the way with nine of those 13. What struck me is LSU has three, OU has two.

Considering we're in the midst of visits by assistant coaches recruiting kids and what's normally been OU's stopping ground is not split between TX and OU, but the SEC and Big12, it sheds another light on some of the comments Stoops is making.
 
I caution for you to consider the source. Never-the-less, this from Athlon Sports writer Braden Gall.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/osumaverick">osumaverick</a> id have to say i I have 13 national title contenders. 5 SEC, 2 Pac12, 3 Big Ten, 2 ACC, 1 Big East, 0 from Big 12. Boise maybe.</p>&mdash; Braden Gall (@BradenGall) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradenGall/status/334117385554513920">May 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Just as one of a few examples, can anyone provide an argument that says TAMU didn't deserve a BCS invitation more than N. Illinois? And, as a completely rhetorical question, is there anyone who believes TAMU wouldn't deserve an invitation over the Sooners IF N. Illinois were left out of this picture?

It's my opinion—well, let's call it a strong notion—that Stoops is already playing the political game in order to position his program to get an invitation to the playoffs when they likely won't deserve one.
Or Georgia.

And playing in a bowl game means nothing anymore. Did you see how many bowls were played with 7 win teams?
 
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