🏈 Cecil Hurt: There is no conspiracy in proposed rule changes

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The piercing loud noise you might have heard in Lee County on Wednesday afternoon was no weather alert.

Instead, it was a collective cry of "Conspiracy!" from the Auburn fan base.

In actual fact, not every decision made by the multitudinous NCAA committees is directly related to the Alabama-Auburn football game, no matter how steadfastly citizens of this state might believe otherwise. Still, when the NCAA Football Rules Committee proposed an alteration that would give defensive units a 10-second window for substitution, and penalize offenses for "delay of game" (a somewhat ironic use of the phrase) if they snap the ball before the 40-second play clock has run down to 29 seconds, the ramifications were clear. The effect would likely be to slow down hurry-up, no-huddle offenses. Thus, teams like Auburn (and Oregon, Baylor and numerous others) would lose the threat of instantly snapping the ball as well as losing the advantage of keeping defenders on the field play after play.

The committee cited "safety concerns" as the reason for its recommendation. Around the country - not just in Auburn, to be fair - many people cite "Nick Saban."

There is a substantial laundry list of reasons for that reaction, and the more general outcry from the many media members who like the no-huddle, fast-paced style because (a.) they like scoring, and (b.) there is a perception, rightly or wrongly, that the hurry-up "levels the playing field." As far as pinning it on Saban, that happened for a couple of reasons. First, Saban and Arkansas coach Bret Bielema have been outspoken proponents of the safety ramifications of slowing the game down. Second, plenty of people blame Saban for anything they don't like - even the actions of a committee of which he is not a member.

On a deeper level, there is a fear that the rule change will favor the favored few who can recruit mammoth defensive linemen and bruising backs, teams in the Saban/Alabama mold.

Now, a recommendation is not the same as an implemented rules change. The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Committee (why have just one committee when you can have two?) will consider the proposal early next month, and they may reject it or postpone a decision until more evidence on the possible correlation between fast play and injuries can be accumulated. Frankly, I would like to see more study of the hypothesis.

It is entirely possible that 2014 will be played under the same rules as the 2013 season was. The Rules Committee also proposed altering the automatic ejection for targeting if replay overturns the 15-yard penalty. Nick Saban also spoke in favor of that change, although since everyone likes it, no one is alleging a conspiracy.

In any case, there will be a healthy debate about allowing defenses to have a window for substitution. That seems fair, even if plenty of people don't see it quite that way.
 
at the end of the day Saban is bein scapegoated as the ringleader simply based on the fact that he is the most high profile of the coaches who have "spoken out" <---and i use that phrase loosely.

and general Bama hate and homerism from opposing fanbases of teams that run this style of play

*looking at you barn*
 
Cecil often throws a sentence or two in an article that needs to be discussed more. Intentional? That's your guess. At times it seems like it's a fleeting thought he includes.

Here's another example:

Now, a recommendation is not the same as an implemented rules change. The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Committee (why have just one committee when you can have two?) will consider the proposal early next month, and they may reject it or postpone a decision until more evidence on the possible correlation between fast play and injuries can be accumulated. Frankly, I would like to see more study of the hypothesis.
[MENTION=12433]planomateo[/MENTION] brought it up in the next couple of days and it's been discussed here before. Here's another of many situations where members of a committee are making proposals and decisions for schools that, for lack of a better expression, simply aren't in their league.

On a slightly different note, how many of you have heard the expression, "Politics makes strange bedfellows?"

It's intriguing to me to see A&M fans pointing to Mike Gundy and referencing what he said—a coach that, on any other subject, they'd be adamantly against? I see fans aligning with thoughts from Mike Leach and Rich Rodriguez. Again, two coaches almost universally despised.

But these same fans point to agendas?
 
Why don't the officials just enforce the rules that they have in place now? This will slow down these HUNH offenses quite a bit. 1) ball must be spotted and marked ready for play 2) chains are set and ready 3) everyone is set for at least 1 second. #3 gets ABUSED every game and doesn't get called. #2 is a joke!!
 
I'm reminded of the Forbes article title, "Nick Saban, the most powerful man in sports" and how so many fans laughed at that notion crying "bullshit!"

But today, now one coach is controlling the decisions made by a committee of which he isn't even a member.

#canthaveitbothways
 
I'm reminded of the Forbes article title, "Nick Saban, the most powerful man in sports" and how so many fans laughed at that notion crying "bullshit!"

But today, now one coach is controlling the decisions made by a committee of which he isn't even a member.

#canthaveitbothways

Pretty much any rule change or news story or whatever, people look to Saban to either blame him or get his opinion. THAT is power.
 
Why don't the officials just enforce the rules that they have in place now? This will slow down these HUNH offenses quite a bit. 1) ball must be spotted and marked ready for play 2) chains are set and ready 3) everyone is set for at least 1 second. #3 gets ABUSED every game and doesn't get called. #2 is a joke!!

It's not that simple. Sure, that would help, but tell me this. How do the rules cover the following scenario?

Let's assume it's 1st and 10, offense is in a double tight end set and they run for five. The immediately run to the line of scrimmage and get set, then stop and look to the sidelines to get the call. They go in motion and now switch to a four wide set.

Are they "huddling?" No. Are they doing the same thing as a team that would huddle? Yes. But, they've just made it a penalty if the defense moves to a nickel package by bringing in another defensive back.

If you take Ole Miss as one example they primarily use their HUNH attack when they are on their short side of the field. After the same play mentioned above, they can run three WR's on the field to their positions on the LOS. They get set, and now if the defense try to sub it's a penalty.

In the form of a question I tried to get some people to consider why coaches are upset with this proposal IF there aren't that many plays snapped within those 10 seconds. It's because they, technically, aren't running a hurry-up offense. They are running a hurry up and get set offense, then they'll call the play. They're running an offense that's designed to eliminate a defense from subbing when the offense, as long as they do it quickly, can sub at leisure.

I don't like the "safety" argument. Right now, without empirical evidence to support it, it's misplaced.

More than that I don't like those using the "it's part of the cyclical nature of football." It's not. None of the implementations of new offenses in the past—the Wing-T, the spread, you name it—have eliminated the defenses ability to substitute.

It's a competitive advantage for the offense. It should have been addressed that way. But, using the "safety" key word it might come into play in 2014 instead of having to wait until 2015 when new rules are instituted.
 
It's not that simple. Sure, that would help, but tell me this. How do the rules cover the following scenario?

Let's assume it's 1st and 10, offense is in a double tight end set and they run for five. The immediately run to the line of scrimmage and get set, then stop and look to the sidelines to get the call. They go in motion and now switch to a four wide set.

Are they "huddling?" No. Are they doing the same thing as a team that would huddle? Yes. But, they've just made it a penalty if the defense moves to a nickel package by bringing in another defensive back.

If you take Ole Miss as one example they primarily use their HUNH attack when they are on their short side of the field. After the same play mentioned above, they can run three WR's on the field to their positions on the LOS. They get set, and now if the defense try to sub it's a penalty.

In the form of a question I tried to get some people to consider why coaches are upset with this proposal IF there aren't that many plays snapped within those 10 seconds. It's because they, technically, aren't running a hurry-up offense. They are running a hurry up and get set offense, then they'll call the play. They're running an offense that's designed to eliminate a defense from subbing when the offense, as long as they do it quickly, can sub at leisure.

I don't like the "safety" argument. Right now, without empirical evidence to support it, it's misplaced.

More than that I don't like those using the "it's part of the cyclical nature of football." It's not. None of the implementations of new offenses in the past—the Wing-T, the spread, you name it—have eliminated the defenses ability to substitute.

It's a competitive advantage for the offense. It should have been addressed that way. But, using the "safety" key word it might come into play in 2014 instead of having to wait until 2015 when new rules are instituted.

Terry, can you just run college football?

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It's not that simple. Sure, that would help, but tell me this. How do the rules cover the following scenario?

Let's assume it's 1st and 10, offense is in a double tight end set and they run for five. The immediately run to the line of scrimmage and get set, then stop and look to the sidelines to get the call. They go in motion and now switch to a four wide set.

Are they "huddling?" No. Are they doing the same thing as a team that would huddle? Yes. But, they've just made it a penalty if the defense moves to a nickel package by bringing in another defensive back.

If you take Ole Miss as one example they primarily use their HUNH attack when they are on their short side of the field. After the same play mentioned above, they can run three WR's on the field to their positions on the LOS. They get set, and now if the defense try to sub it's a penalty.

In the form of a question I tried to get some people to consider why coaches are upset with this proposal IF there aren't that many plays snapped within those 10 seconds. It's because they, technically, aren't running a hurry-up offense. They are running a hurry up and get set offense, then they'll call the play. They're running an offense that's designed to eliminate a defense from subbing when the offense, as long as they do it quickly, can sub at leisure.

I don't like the "safety" argument. Right now, without empirical evidence to support it, it's misplaced.

More than that I don't like those using the "it's part of the cyclical nature of football." It's not. None of the implementations of new offenses in the past—the Wing-T, the spread, you name it—have eliminated the defenses ability to substitute.

It's a competitive advantage for the offense. It should have been addressed that way. But, using the "safety" key word it might come into play in 2014 instead of having to wait until 2015 when new rules are instituted.

Extremely well explained. I don't like the safety argument either, but I do support the proposed rule change; give both teams 10 seconds to get their personnel on the field. That's fair.
 
Why don't the officials just enforce the rules that they have in place now? This will slow down these HUNH offenses quite a bit. 1) ball must be spotted and marked ready for play 2) chains are set and ready 3) everyone is set for at least 1 second. #3 gets ABUSED every game and doesn't get called. #2 is a joke!!

You also get a lot of illegal blocking and/or receivers down field all the time that get missed.
 
Agreed [MENTION=12209]TerryP[/MENTION]! I am an offense guy ( played QB, coached the position, coached WRs and RBs too, OC) I want the advantage and the version of HUNH that you speak of does just that. It gains an advantage by not allowing the defense to sub at all. Used to, we looked at film to look for the advantage ( DE that likes to run up field a lot, mismatch with a tall WR and a short CB, undersized DL, etc.) I don't like the guise of saying it is about player safety either. Like you, it was used to get it to the committee this year rather than wait to 2015 before it hit the table.
 
Although I think it's stupid for people to think this some kind of conspiracy the NCAA has going on with Saban I do understand people questioning because of how it looks

I don't like the rule change and I think the safety thing is stupid too

Two questions: "I understand people questioning because of how it looks." How what looks? Saban's role in this whole thing has been grossly distorted from day one.

Two, why don't you like the proposal?
 
Terry in the example you mentioned above.....
"If you take Ole Miss as one example they primarily use their HUNH attack when they are on their short side of the field. After the same play mentioned above, they can run three WR's on the field to their positions on the LOS. They get set, and now if the defense try to sub it's a penalty. "... I was thinking the referee was supposed to allow the defense to substitute if the offense did. Im obviously missing something.
 
Terry in the example you mentioned above.....
"If you take Ole Miss as one example they primarily use their HUNH attack when they are on their short side of the field. After the same play mentioned above, they can run three WR's on the field to their positions on the LOS. They get set, and now if the defense try to sub it's a penalty. "... I was thinking the referee was supposed to allow the defense to substitute if the offense did. Im obviously missing something.

But they aren't. It's one of the primary reasons Ole Miss runs their offense at that pace when they are on the short side of the field.

You're not missing something. The officials in the game are and they're missing things on more than one front.

I'm not a fan of pointing to officials as the reason a play is successful, a game is lost, or anything of that ilk. I'm not without criticism of how they are doing their jobs but I try to limit it to the off-season especially when something can be done about those mistakes.

With this situation—the advent of more teams using the HUNH—I've been watching this story evolve closely. Last summer someone pointed out Ole Miss ran their primarily from one side of the field. I didn't notice that in 2012. I made a point of watching it closely in our game in 2013. Along with running WR's on the field into their position and getting set, I saw things mentioned in other games as well. Ineligible receivers down field, missed motion penalties, and even saw snaps happen before the chain gang had their sticks in place.

There are the two issues I have with this story. One, the mistakes made because officials are running to keep up with one offense, not the other, leading to a game being called differently. And two, a team basically huddling at the line of scrimmage.

Consider my earlier question. If there aren't that many plays started within that 10 second window why are coaches that run the HUNH complaining so loudly? Because they can't circumvent the rules the way they were.
 
Just as a side note here:

A lot of people today have pointed to a number of coaches voicing their disapproval of this proposal. Based on that many are saying it won't pass.

We're not to far removed from people pointing to a number of coaches voicing their disapproval of players being ejected due to targeting.
 
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