🏈 CBS News reporting: NCAA to announce "unprecedented penalties" against Penn State Monday morning.

[Crimson&WhiteGecko]

If anyone is wondering about NCAA angle on this just read the letter sent by the NCAA president to Penn State in November last year. It seems clear to me their angle.

 

[TerryP]

So much irony here. Lol

The NCAA is a voluntary membership association. Those members agree to participate under their oversight based on guidelines and laws specifically stated in their membership agreements.

In this case, they have ignored what areas they have any control over. They have ignored any rights that Penn State has under the agreement they have with the NCAA.

Emmert, and the Board of Directors, have turned their positions into something akin to a police state. Emmert, in this case, has become judge, jury, and executioner.

It goes against every fundamental principle the NCAA is founded upon.

Penn State should sue. I hope they do. And, I hope it's has a such a crippling affect on the group they are forced to disband.

It's a case of a group of people being swayed by some of the publics opinions and decided to blatantly ignore both Penn State's rights as well as their own purview.

Four individuals at Penn State made decisions that were wrong. We've got a handful of victims as well. But now, the NCAA apparently has chosen to punish hundreds of thousands of people.

 

[TerryP]

If anyone is wondering about NCAA angle on this just read the letter sent by the NCAA president to Penn State in November last year. It seems clear to me their angle.

They are blatantly ignoring that as well. Essentially, "here's our thoughts, please respond."

"Oh, never mind. We don't want your response, here's your punishment."

 

[TerryP]

Based on what the ESPN article says quoting the BOT member from Penn State, it seems Penn State didn't participate in a mutual agreement with the NCAA.

IF they did, totally different ball game.

I just finished a novel last night where the police commissioner stood up before a crowd taking credit for the closed investigation at the end even though he hadn't been a part of it for the entire novel.

Emmert reminds me of that. Grandstanding. Dancing on a grave he had no part in digging or putting anything into.

 

[CRMSNtide]

Four individuals at Penn State made decisions that were wrong. We've got a handful of victims as well. But now, the NCAA apparently has chosen to punish hundreds of thousands of people.

Isn't that always the case when a team goes on probation?
The innocent people remaining end up suffering a penalty while the few that were involved are long gone or fired.

After watching some Penn State fans on ESPN today, complaining about Joe Pa's statue being taken down, i don't care what happens up there anymore.
They reminded me of people in a cult or something, it's time to lay the hammer down and get rid of that mentality IMO.

 

[TerryP]

Isn't that always the case when a team goes on probation?
The innocent people remaining end up suffering a penalty while the few that were involved are long gone or fired.

After watching some Penn State fans on ESPN today, complaining about Joe Pa's statue being taken down, i don't care what happens up there anymore.
They reminded me of people in a cult or something, it's time to lay the hammer down and get rid of that mentality IMO.

I don't care about their fans that much either.

With me, it's always been more about the track star, the local convenience store, the guy selling memorabilia.

I understand the reasoning behind all of this. I don't not like the way it's being conducted.

 

[planomateo]

Seems that the NCAA is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I don't know if I'll get an answer tomorrow, but what's truly driving the rush to punishment? Also, how many schools and athletic departments are questioning what the future hold with Mark Emmert, the NCAA, and due process.

 

[UAgrad93]

Hearing numbers of up to $60 million will be the fine along withother penalties like, bowl game bans, scholarship reductions, etc. Supposedly, the money would go to a charitable organiztion for abused children. The other penalties seem sort of "out of touch with reality". These penalties normally go along with cheating; ie rogue boosters, recxruiting violations, pay for play, etc. I smell a lawsuit on the behalf of PSU just like you have said Terry.

 

[paintrockfan]

Hearing numbers of up to $60 million will be the fine along withother penalties like, bowl game bans, scholarship reductions, etc. Supposedly, the money would go to a charitable organiztion for abused children. The other penalties seem sort of "out of touch with reality". These penalties normally go along with cheating; ie rogue boosters, recxruiting violations, pay for play, etc. I smell a lawsuit on the behalf of PSU just like you have said Terry.

I have to ask this question of Terry and another for you. I mean no offense. Terry, do you think some of your opinion of this matter is colored by the NCAA and the way they handled Bama's cases? Why would Penn State be crazy enough to file lawsuits against sanctions? Do they want to be despised more? This is one of those times that you can beat the crap out of someone who deserves it without fear of retribution.

 

[rammerjammer]

I have to ask this question of Terry and another for you. I mean no offense. Terry, do you think some of your opinion of this matter is colored by the NCAA and the way they handled Bama's cases? Why would Penn State be crazy enough to file lawsuits against sanctions? Do they want to be despised more? This is one of those times that you can beat the crap out of someone who deserves it without fear of retribution.

Not Terry, but I know one of the arguments that can be made on Penn St behalf is the fact that the NCAA is not out to legislate morality and or criminal misconduct. Which is what they are punishing PSU for. As stated in the ESPN article, the NCAA is out to regulate and maintain a level playing field amongst its member institutions. PSU got no benefit in the form of a recruit, etc for what transpired. While tragic and dis-heartening, this is not really something the NCAA should be hammering PSU for. Fine the piss out of them and put them money towards the victims, their families, and a charitable organization that supports abused/neglected children.

I think there might be an argument for LOIC, but that is a huge umbrella that the NCAA has in place to be able to "swing the hammer" as it is referred. I believe like stated earlier, who are you penalizing at this point? Much like all the kids that came to Bama during our lean years, the NCAA will be punishing people that had nothing to do with any of the egregious acts that took place over the past XX amount of years. Make sure that everyone involved and "knew" anything about it are black listed from ever having anything to do with coaching and or administration within a NCAA member institution. You cut coaches/administrators off from making a living and they are likely to "live at the foot of the cross", if you will.

 

[paintrockfan]

Not Terry, but I know one of the arguments that can be made on Penn St behalf is the fact that the NCAA is not out to legislate morality and or criminal misconduct. Which is what they are punishing PSU for. As stated in the ESPN article, the NCAA is out to regulate and maintain a level playing field amongst its member institutions. PSU got no benefit in the form of a recruit, etc for what transpired. While tragic and dis-heartening, this is not really something the NCAA should be hammering PSU for. Fine the piss out of them and put them money towards the victims, their families, and a charitable organization that supports abused/neglected children.

I think there might be an argument for LOIC, but that is a huge umbrella that the NCAA has in place to be able to "swing the hammer" as it is referred. I believe like stated earlier, who are you penalizing at this point? Much like all the kids that came to Bama during our lean years, the NCAA will be punishing people that had nothing to do with any of the egregious acts that took place over the past XX amount of years. Make sure that everyone involved and "knew" anything about it are black listed from ever having anything to do with coaching and or administration within a NCAA member institution. You cut coaches/administrators off from making a living and they are likely to "live at the foot of the cross", if you will.

Isn't there something in the by laws about morality? I understand about the people being punished that were not affected but hasn't that always been the case. I would argue greater good here. I think they should do something here. If they don't then the NCAA is really proving that it has no teeth. On a side note, I have always thought the accredidation committees should oversee the athletic programs of the schools (SACS for instance at Alabama). You start threatening schools with the idea that they will lose accreditation you will see them follow rules and get in line very quickly!

 

[srollins]

The NCAA has as much right to hammer Penn State for the despicable crimes that occurred there as the FDA or Bureau of Indian Affairs does. It simply isn't their jurisdiction.

What happened at Penn State was terrible, but it doesn't fall under the policing umbrella of the NCAA, it is a criminal and civil matter, not a sporting fairness issue. The NCAA is way too big for its britches.

 

[rammerjammer]

Paintrock, I have no doubt that the NCAA may have something in their rules about morality, but that can be a pretty ambiguous subject among individuals. Just like in politics, you cannot legislate morality and with organizations out there like NAMBLA, who is to say what is moral or indecent. Not arguing, just thinking out loud.

 

[CRMSNtide]

They turned a blind eye to a child molester so they could keep their squeaky clean football program unscathed and make sure not to hurt recruiting.

What SMU did did back in the day is peanuts compared to that.

Paying players is a step up from the dirtiness they had going on, heck Sandusky still had access to the football program and used to bring boys by to watch practice, several of the victims were molested on campus.
Talk about a rotten program with Paterno and other knowing what they knew.

 

[paintrockfan]

The NCAA has as much right to hammer Penn State for the despicable crimes that occurred there as the FDA or Bureau of Indian Affairs does. It simply isn't their jurisdiction.

What happened at Penn State was terrible, but it doesn't fall under the policing umbrella of the NCAA, it is a criminal and civil matter, not a sporting fairness issue. The NCAA is way too big for its britches.

Penn State plays college football and is under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Are they not the policing organization of college athletics? Seems to me that Penn State had become way too big for their britches.

 

[paintrockfan]

This is how I feel on this matter. All angry reactions to NCAA violations put upon Penn State due to the current situation= defense of the actions of Penn State. Let the flaming begin.

 

[SpecThis]

They might not get the death penalty, but they really are getting the "Death Penalty". Just think about the simple fact of who really wants to let their kids go to a school like that? College is expensive. Why would anyone want to spend all that money on a school like that? This is the end of not just penn state football, but their entire university. It will forever have asterix beside it anytime anyone here's or see's Penn State on anything. Ask yourself when you hear Penn state do you think about football? Nope first thought is all this. Penn State had already killed itself before the NCAA decided to step in. I really don't care what happens tomorrow. My thoughts on Penn State have never really changed sense the beginning of all this. How could a school allow a person to continue to do that stuff. Their scum

It also ruins an awesome moment i witnessed in person 2 years ago at the Alabama Penn State game. The moment in pregame where I got to see Joe Paterno, Bobby Bowden, and Nick Saban on the field together at the same time. And that pisses me off.

 

[Bamabww]

What happened at Penn State was terrible, but it doesn't fall under the policing umbrella of the NCAA, it is a criminal and civil matter, not a sporting fairness issue. The NCAA is way too big for its britches.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[TerryP]

I have to ask this question of Terry and another for you. I mean no offense. Terry, do you think some of your opinion of this matter is colored by the NCAA and the way they handled Bama's cases? Why would Penn State be crazy enough to file lawsuits against sanctions? Do they want to be despised more? This is one of those times that you can beat the crap out of someone who deserves it without fear of retribution.

There's a good question. In terms of public perception some would certainly vilify Penn State to a larger degree than they are already.

As much as I stand against bureaucracy in just about every form, it does have its place. Here, there isn't any due process being allowed to Penn State. That said, a few around the news room said they've heard suggestion that Penn State was told "we have the option of discrediting/disassociating you from the NCAA" or we have these penalties we will put in place.

Does the NCAA's actions in the past with Bama have a bearing on my thought process here? How could it not? We've seen too many instances where their rulings have no consistency at all and this move isn't encouraging. Cam Newton survives his father shopping him to other schools because there's a loophole they fall into. But here? With our history we see Travis Carroll story end up with Bama boosters essentially found guilty of giving him a free car DESPITE having documented evidence that said that wasn't true. The NCAA says he got a car. Yet, later, more instances of the same and they rule completely differently.

If they decide, seemingly on public perception, on how they should act who is to say they won't do the same in the future? No one can because their track record proves otherwise.

This is a situation where they can punish someone without fear of retribution and it's due to a mob mentality saying they deserve punishment. Which, they'll get. But, it's nothing the NCAA is doing other than jumping on a story and beating someone up who's already down for the count.

I know I don't stand with a lot here on how I see this. It doesn't change the way I feel about them. I don't take views that are opposite of mine personally. It's their opinion and they have as much of a right to have and express it as I do.

I don't have "feelings" about the fan base at Penn State one way or another. I do have feelings about how this move by the NCAA is detrimental to A LOT of people who have no involvement in this at all.

Lastly...

I can't escape this mental image. I see a guy sitting at a bar watching another guy get the crap beat out of him for something he deserved. Then, the guy says to those around him, "hold my drink and watch me." I saw another guy state something along the lines of "it's like the guy who has 224 assisted tackles in his senior year of HS but all he's done is jump on the pile after the ball carrier is already down." But, that players says, "look at the number of tackles I had last year."

 

[srollins]

This is how I feel on this matter. All angry reactions to NCAA violations put upon Penn State due to the current situation= defense of the actions of Penn State. Let the flaming begin.

Wanting the NCAA to act within the parameters it is intended is not a defense of Penn State. If there were provisions in the NCAA bylaws that provided punishments for these types of things, I would be in favor of an NCAA punishment here. I simply want the NCAA to play by the rules too.