💬 Can you believe this?!?! ANOTHER new Baylor coach fired with ANOTHER sex scandal.

[TerryP]

Six weeks ago, a new coach was fired because he was busted in a prostitution sting. Today, that seems so trivial when you've got this ...



FWIW, this is the second time someone associated with Baylor has been involved in a sex scandal with someone underage. A few weeks ago it was one of their seminary students.

With Superman we have the Bizarro's.
With Exit to Eden we have Baylor?

 

[planomateo]

Unbelievable. Tempted to tweet Kim...

 

[rick4bama]

Shame

 

[sean]

well, this will show what the ncaa is really made of.

if they really are as tough as they think they'd like to be, this is the institution/situation that will show that. they need to step in and say, "enough is enough" and just clean house. if they find anyone who had any kind of idea this was going on, they need to be gone. if they find out somebody heard something from someone else and did nothing, they need to be gone.

that place is quickly becoming a cesspool and nothing is being done about it.

if the ncaa does nothing about this, they will, and should, lose ALL credibility over anything else that ever comes up at any other institution.

AND, if nothing is done, the people who send their kids there need to start looking at other schools...with a quickness. if enough people pull their kids from there, the financial hit will hurt too much to be ignored. the one sure-fire way to hurt a place that depends on money to operate, is to stop the flow of money coming in. hurting a place financially is the one way to get some serious attention.

 

[UAgrad93]

Some people are just plain STUPID!! I have been in education now for 24 years and have NEVER thought about doing something like having a relationship with a student. Maybe it was the way I was raised, maybe coming from a family of educators, maybe it was the couple of examples I knew of and how they ended, maybe it was having a sister roughly the same age as these students in the beginning, or maybe it was the first principal I worked for all those years ago. I will NEVER forget my boss calling me into his office my first month on the job. He asked me to sit down and I immediately started thinking that I had messed something up and he was going to reprimand me. He then said, " I'm going to give you some rules that will always help you in education. If you follow these 3 things, you will ALWAYS have a job! 1) Be loyal! 2) Don't steal money! Coaches always had access to gate money and concession money during their season. It is A LOT more strict now!!! AND 3) Don't mess with these girls!! It doesn't matter how good or bad you are in the classroom. If you can follow these 3 things, you'll always have a job." I'm proud to say that I have only worked at 2 schools during my career and coached for 13 of those years. During that period, I had female students that kept my books for me, coached girls' track and field, tennis, and soccer. During that same period, I witnessed 3 coaches lose their jobs due to inappropriate relationships with students!!

 

[TUSKtimes]

Not a great look for the brand new coach. He's got to be wondering what's in the water?

 

[bama alum]

He then said, " I'm going to give you some rules that will always help you in education. If you follow these 3 things, you will ALWAYS have a job! 1) Be loyal! 2) Don't steal money! Coaches always had access to gate money and concession money during their season. It is A LOT more strict now!!! AND 3) Don't mess with these girls!! It doesn't matter how good or bad you are in the classroom. If you can follow these 3 things, you'll always have a job."


Not to cast aspersions to your original principal...I mean, I guess he couldn't word this this way today, but the italicized part bothers me. His sentiment, however, is dead on!

 

[UAgrad93]

He then said, " I'm going to give you some rules that will always help you in education. If you follow these 3 things, you will ALWAYS have a job! 1) Be loyal! 2) Don't steal money! Coaches always had access to gate money and concession money during their season. It is A LOT more strict now!!! AND 3) Don't mess with these girls!! It doesn't matter how good or bad you are in the classroom. If you can follow these 3 things, you'll always have a job."


Not to cast aspersions to your original principal...I mean, I guess he couldn't word this this way today, but the italicized part bothers me. His sentiment, however, is dead on!

The jest was that you do right by the kids and for the kids. We all know or had teachers that simply said, "open the book to chapter so and so, read these pages and answer these questions." They were employed at said school for 30+ years too! A LOT of these teachers also harped on the same topic to make sure everyone "got it" too.
Now, to be honest, things really haven't changed. We have teachers that feel that they must complete the entire textbook and will fly through it and leave those that struggle behind to fail. They just try and make sure that 70% "get it" and piss on the remaining 30%. We have state superintendents and the state board of education that set that bar and then retain those teachers that don't reach those 30% or pink slip those that fall below that 70%. My parents taught for a combined 64 years!! They said you teach it until everyone gets it and then you move one. It doesn't matter how quick you go. Reach them all!!!

Let me add that the principal that hired me was an "old coach" and was on the tail end of his career. I cleaned up the language but A LOT has changed in almost 25 years!!

 

[#80]

Must be something in the water.

 

[TerryP]

if the ncaa does nothing about this, they will, and should, lose ALL credibility over anything else that ever comes up at any other institution.

I still come back to one thought, Sean. As bad as this is, as much as something has to be done, I still don't see this as under the NCAA's authority. I still don't believe it was the NCAA's issue in the first place to have anything to do with Penn State. And, after they decided to ride their high horse, in the end they realized they'd over-stepped their boundaries.

Just because this guy is a member of the football program, and is employed by Baylor, what advantage does this give Baylor over other schools? There is a cultural problem there it appears. But, simply punishing the football program (or athletic department) isn't going to stop said behavior.

I don't see this as an NCAA issue, or a SACS issue, or a Title IX issue. It's a Waco PD, TBI, or some law enforcement division ordeal to handle.

 

[BAMANEWSBOT]

BAYLOR SHOULD LOOK INTO PRE-FIRING EVERYONE

THE NEXT WAVE OF HR INNOVATION

The second staffer hired by Matt Rhule at Baylor has been fired, this time for sending inappropriate texts to a teenager. Associate Director of Football Operations Demarkco Butler did not send texts to someone considered a minor under Texas law, so he will not be facing criminal charges. He did, however, send them to someone young enough to merit dismissal, per KWTX in Waco.

The first Rhule-era staffer fired, Associate Strength Coach Brandon Washington, lost his job after his arrest in a prostitution sting in February.

This brings us to the extreme but also sort of sensible question: Should you just fire everyone you hire at Baylor pre-emptively, and make that part of the hiring process? Just to get everyone on the same page?

Theorize on your own about what, if anything in particular, makes Baylor a place where the adults running the organization often don’t know how to act. That’s all proven at this point, on multiple occasions, across multiple administrations and staffs. It is a thing, and continues to be a thing, so—why not make that clear by skipping a step, hiring people there, and then immediately firing them to get this out of the way before things go too wrong in any direction?

The staffers will know it can happen, and might behave accordingly. Baylor will show for once that it’s planning ahead when it comes to crisis management. It’s a private institution in the state of Texas, so we assume firing someone without paperwork or severance is actually too easy, legally speaking. The rehiring process will be swift: you already have all the paperwork lined up, and can skip the small talk and get-to-know-you work of the interview. The re-firing, when it’s inevitably necessary, will be easier after some practice.

Pre-firing is the wave for 2017, and we still aren’t really sure why Matt Rhule took this job. We still, after three months, have very few clues as to why Matt Rhule even thought about taking this job. Not taking a job in the first place is basically the ultimate pre-firing move. Note: We thought the exact same thing when Art Briles took the job, and yeah, now that we think about it pre-firing might have been the move in that case, too, and with a lot of people who’ve worked at Baylor over at least the past nine years or so, and likely more.

BAYLOR SHOULD LOOK INTO PRE-FIRING EVERYONE

 

[sean]

I still come back to one thought, Sean. As bad as this is, as much as something has to be done, I still don't see this as under the NCAA's authority. I still don't believe it was the NCAA's issue in the first place to have anything to do with Penn State. And, after they decided to ride their high horse, in the end they realized they'd over-stepped their boundaries.

Just because this guy is a member of the football program, and is employed by Baylor, what advantage does this give Baylor over other schools? There is a cultural problem there it appears. But, simply punishing the football program (or athletic department) isn't going to stop said behavior.

I don't see this as an NCAA issue, or a SACS issue, or a Title IX issue. It's a Waco PD, TBI, or some law enforcement division ordeal to handle.

yeah, i can get on board with that. after thinking about it and reading your post, i can see where it's not an ncaa issue, but a legal one.

still, not a lot has been done by those types of departments to show that they've been capable of doing anything about it.

the guy was exchanging inappropriate texts with a teenager, apparently. one the one hand, you can say that he can be charged with solicitation of a minor. although it probably wouldn't hold up in court as the law states it has to be for the purpose of engaging in a sexual act, even though we haven't seen the texts themselves or know what his end-game was (and probably never will).
also, a person can be a teenager and be an adult at the same time. being 18 or 19 is still considered a teenager, and also considered an adult. so if the recipient of his texts was 18 or 19, then that person is an adult and is responsible for their own acts. unfortunately, the story doesn't allude to the actual age, just that they were a teenager. again, we don't know the age of the person receiving the texts and may never know thanks to the media and how they have their own agenda on how things should be seen, heard, and perceived. but that's a discussion for another time.....

if the person was, indeed, 18 or 19, then i think the only person he needs to answer to is his wife/family, if he's married. creepy and weird? sure. but not illegal. if the person is 18/19 then they are a consenting adult.

i am in no way advocating what he did is ok if the person is an underage teenager. but if the person is indeed an adult, then no one has any say-so in what they do with another person, as long as it's legal.

 

[TerryP]

if the person was, indeed, 18 or 19, then i think the only person he needs to answer to is his wife/family, if he's married. creepy and weird? sure. but not illegal. if the person is 18/19 then they are a consenting adult.

According to that SBNation article from EDSBS she wasn't considered "underage" by Texas law. That said, what exactly does that mean?!? Hell Sean, the "legal age of consent" in South Carolina is 16. But good lord, I have a hard time dealing with women who are in their 20's most of the time--and that has nothing to do with them being half of my age.

still, not a lot has been done by those types of departments to show that they've been capable of doing anything about it.

There's where I get a little stumped. But, I'm still inclined to think this falls under a law enforcement issue. It seems to me at the very least those who are in charge need to face the courts. The Penn State admin's (AD one other) plead guilty to child endangerment this week.

I've seen instances where parents were put in jail because their kids were around when they were smoking weed. That seems pale in comparison.

 

[BAMAneck]

Hope mulkey chokes on that with her matter a fact self . If someone says Baylor doesn't have a sexual misconduct problem needs to be punched in the mouth .