im fairly sure we ran a 3-4 in '92.
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im fairly sure we ran a 3-4 in '92.
at this point durring the 92 season i don't think a national championship was even considered.. was it?
not going to dub this team better than 92.....not until we win something.....SEC and NC
on the other hand, i think we have a better O this year. 92 was run, run, run, punt...play d.
this year its run, pass, run, pass, run, pass, score, get a turnover, repeat (not including the ole miss game).
I think this team has the potential to be very special though.
Not gonna lie, I wasnt to sure about GMac. Now, im glad he is with us and not playing agianst us.
Sure it was. Alabama was 6-0, we never give up on a shot at the National Title until we at least lose the first game.:nana:
252 - What made that game against Miami so special to me was the fear we were going to get blown out of it and we blew them out. I didn't go into it with the same confidence as you and think I enjoyed it immensely as a result.
I said pre-season in '92 that Bama would win the MNC. My reasoning was that not too many teams would be able to score much on them.
If we are going to mention physicality in the debate, then wouldn't our '92 team be able to eat and condition for a few days just as they are now? I thought our debate centered around the team compared to all teams now. I didn't know we were playing ourselves.
So, that being said...
Arenas and Palmer? Please, there is no comparison. Palmer ended up third in the Heisman balloting and Arenas will not even be mentioned in serious discussion. Palmer could do it all. Special teams? No comparison. Special teams would destroy our 2009 team. Palmer would have a field day. The corners in '92 would completely shut down the wide receivers. Copeland and Curry would shut down the running game from the outside in.
Let's win something this year, and then we can discuss. Until we do, I'm going with '92!!!!!
If we are going to mention physicality in the debate, then wouldn't our '92 team be able to eat and condition for a few days just as they are now? I thought our debate centered around the team compared to all teams now. I didn't know we were playing ourselves.
So, that being said...
Arenas and Palmer? Please, there is no comparison. Palmer ended up third in the Heisman balloting and Arenas will not even be mentioned in serious discussion. Palmer could do it all. Special teams? No comparison. Special teams would destroy our 2009 team. Palmer would have a field day. The corners in '92 would completely shut down the wide receivers. Copeland and Curry would shut down the running game from the outside in.
Let's win something this year, and then we can discuss. Until we do, I'm going with '92!!!!!
The 92 D was way more dominant. Not a single weakness on that D!
Arenas is a great return man but he couldnt hold Palmers jock! (sorry)
1992 offense was below average. Barker was a stiff the entire year (he did progress into a very solid QB but it was 2 years later)
Proctor was as good as they came at place kicker in 92.
Diehl was a solid punter.
finally the 92 team went 13-0 SEC champs and NATIONAL champs! 2009 has a LONG way to go to even get in the same sentence with 92.
Arenas is a great return man but he couldnt hold Palmers jock! (sorry)
1992 offense was below average. Barker was a stiff the entire year (he did progress into a very solid QB but it was 2 years later)
Proctor was as good as they came at place kicker in 92.
Diehl was a solid punter.
finally the 92 team went 13-0 SEC champs and NATIONAL champs! 2009 has a LONG way to go to even get in the same sentence with 92.
Against 1992 competition, the 1992 team was incredible.
The 2009 team would beat them by 30.
It is a different calibre of athlete playing the game today.
I look at myself from my playing days for perspective.
The 1992 era was my era. I was at JSU when Bama and JSU both won national titles. I quit football because my knee wouldn't hold up, however I was a very strong lineman and had my knee not been problematic, 6'1/275 and running a ~4.9 I would have been a starter. I could have played scout team at Alabama easily and maybe even seen the field on occasion or worked my way into the rotation. I would have been one of the stronger players on the team in the weight room.
Comparatively, I would have started on the 1973 Alabama team - and it wouldn't have been close. I would have been an All-American. There wasn't a lineman in America in 1973 who could have blocked me.
I couldn't play scout team today, and I would have been in the bottom 1/3rd in the weight room.
...kind of like Rocky Marciano v/s a modern fighter. As bad as the heavyweight division is today, Marciano would be destroyed by the current champ in the first round.
A better question is, "was the 1992 team better compared to its competition, than the 2002 is relative to its competition?" Then you have a real argument. The 1992 team held southern miss to 54 total yards and 3 first downs. It looked like we were going to do that to Ole Miss, but we let them gain positive yards in the second half...and offenses today are better than they were in 1992.
As for the Arenas v/s Palmer debate, you folks are remembering with your heart and not your head. Arenas already has more punt return yards than Palmer had in 1992 or 93, and we are just 6 games into the season. Palmer may have been a better kickoff returner, but Arenas is a better punt returner. Palmer was a dangerous player who was exciting to watch and hard to catch, but I would argue that Arenas is a better all-around player right now than Palmer was.
Palmer finished 3rd on the Heisman voting following the 1993 season because he had almost 2000 all purpose yards. The current team has enough talent that one player isn't asked to do everything Palmer did. If Javy was being used as a wide reciever or in the wildcat, he would probably be getting more heisman talk than he has gotten...and he has been mentioned. There is a lot of time left in the season.
Palmer was lightning in a bottle, but against today's players he would run a high risk of injury. He was listed at 170, but I doubt he weighed that much. Arenas is at least 30 pounds heavier.
Diehl was solid, but Fitzgerald is statistically better.
Tiffin is a no brainer. Proctor, to use your tern, couldn't carry Tiffin's jock. Proctor was only 19 of 27 in 1992, with a long of 47. Tiffin is 14 of 16 right now, with a long of 54. Even in 93, Proctor was just 22 of 29 with a long of 53. People are still hanging on to the memory of the Arkansas game Leigh's frosh year to justify criticizing him today, when the reality is - he is a great kicker.
Those are my thoughts, anyway.
Oh, I do!
Palmer had an unbelievable ability to make people miss. Javy while great doesnt have Palmers ability to make people miss.(he prob is a step quicker)
Palmer amassed that 2000 yards as the only weapon too. (think the defenses might have keyed on him a bit?) Also as you noted the offenses werent as powerful (yet he still amassed that yardage)
I havent looked (im sure you did) but Id be willing to wager Arenas stats are better because he has returned more kicks/punts than Palmer.
Palmer injury prone? Nobody could get a solid lick on the guy. You say Javy is 30 lbs heavier (therefore hes not as injury prone) yet your arguement about the lineman weighing so much more doesnt apply here I guess?:headscratch:
Palmer also left after his Jr year to turn pro. He played 7 yrs in NFL
Id take Palmer over Arenas 100/100. thats my opinion.
Palmer amassed that 2000 yards as the only weapon too. (think the defenses might have keyed on him a bit?) Also as you noted the offenses werent as powerful (yet he still amassed that yardage)
I havent looked (im sure you did) but Id be willing to wager Arenas stats are better because he has returned more kicks/punts than Palmer.
Palmer injury prone? Nobody could get a solid lick on the guy. You say Javy is 30 lbs heavier (therefore hes not as injury prone) yet your arguement about the lineman weighing so much more doesnt apply here I guess?:headscratch:
Palmer also left after his Jr year to turn pro. He played 7 yrs in NFL
Id take Palmer over Arenas 100/100. thats my opinion.
You`re right. I don`t know why I thought we ran a 4-3 in `92. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.:smile: I guess that blows my theory out of the water. Now, what was the question again?:headscratch:
I didn't say that Palmer was injury prone, but in today's game he very well might be. Players are bigger, stronger, and faster. Players from then would stand a higher chance of injury against modern players...I mentioned Roosevelt Patterson. I remember he looked fatter than Dante Ellington, yet he was under 300 pounds. A lineman under 300# now is almost all muscle.
As for the number of returns making Javy look better - Palmer's average per return was half what Javy's is...a little less than half, actually.
What made Palmer good was not his ability to run or make people miss in the traditional sense, it was his ability to stop without slowing down, and accelerate to full speed instantly. He was the best I ever saw at that.
Palmer amassed that 1k receiving yards on 61 receptions...16.4 yards per catch average...good but not unbelievable. Can you imagine Palmer in a modern spread passing offense? He was a great receiver, but not that important to the 1992 team.
As I punt returner, you can have Palmer. I will take Javy with his twice the yards per return and get better field position. He is the better punt returner and it isn't even close.
In 1992 Palmer had under 850 all purpose yards. That is not bad, but none of his individual numbers were overly impressive.< 300 receiving yards, < 300 KO return yards, < 300 PR yards.
All of those numbers could have been posted by someone else. He didn't complete a pass on the season, and ran for under 200 yards.
I am not saying he wasn't a great player, just that in 1992 he was not irreplaceable. As a PR specialist, Javy is better. He was better at KO returns. I would argue that Javy is equally as good of a DB as Palmer was a receiver.
The 1992 team was great, but they were a different caliber of athlete than we have today. If the two could play, the game wouldn't be close. The 1992 offense wouldn't cross the 50. The 1992 defense would make its share of big plays, but so would the 2009 offense. It is just not a fair comparison to the 1992 team.
I'd agree with that, for the most part.
But, in kick and punt returns? I don't know Koz. I think they do tell the story in its entirety—or pretty close to it.
What factors weigh in other than how far a guy returns the punt to determine which is the better punt returner?
How many times did/do they kick away from Javy?
We are not talking about 1-2 yards per return more....we are talking 7.9 yards per return for Palmer v/s over 16 yards per return for Javy.
Javy is a much better punt returner than Palmer was. Period. No contest.
Palmer was a better kickoff return man.
Thats an opinion not a fact. Much like your opinion that Joe Flacco wouldnt play in the NFL. Paul Johnson wouldnt be successful coach.
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