🏈 BCS Standings

[bama alum]

Bama, #1 - No surprise. F$U, #2 and the Ducks, #3...WOW!

 

[PhillyGirl]

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. Ohio State
5. Missouri
6. Stanford
7. Miami (Fla.)
8. Baylor
9. Clemson
10. Texas Tech
11. Auburn
12. UCLA
13. LSU
14. Virginia Tech
15. Oklahoma
16. Texas A&M
17. Fresno State
18. Northern Ilinois
19. Oklahoma State
20. Louisville
21. South Carolina
22. Michigan
23. UCF
24. Nebraska
25. Oregon State

 

[PhillyGirl]

"For Bama & FSU only twice (2005, USC-Texas & 2011, LSU-Bama) have top 2 teams in initial BCS poll BOTH made BCS title game"

"Good news for Bama, FSU, Oregon, Ohio St. & Mizzou: only 4 of 30 teams in BCS title games not ranked in top 5 of initial poll"

 

[It Takes Eleven]

FSU ascension has been rapid, but that dismantling of Clempsun was impressive.

I'm loving the lack of respect to the Big 10.

We win and we go, simple as that.


RTR,

Tim

 

[GoDucks349]

I'm not really that worried about my Ducks being #3 at this point in the season. Given SOS going forward, if Oregon wins out, the quality of opponents will move Oregon back into the top two.

 

[PhillyGirl]

I'm not really that worried about my Ducks being #3 at this point in the season. Given SOS going forward, if Oregon wins out, the quality of opponents will move Oregon back into the top two.

For sure. If both teams win out .. with the Ducks topping UCLA and Stanford (revenge game!), I think those wins would outshine FSU's Florida and Miami wins.

 

[MissingRing]

I'm an Alabama fan, first and foremost, but I find the placement of Oregon at #3 in the first BCS ranking of 2013 disturbing. Just another reminder - as if we really needed one - that the selection of a college football national champion in the poll era is still about shading, context, and nuance, not strictly about wins and losses.

 

[PhillyGirl]

I'm an Alabama fan, first and foremost, but I find the placement of Oregon at #3 in the first BCS ranking of 2013 disturbing. Just another reminder - as if we really needed one - that the selection of a college football national champion in the poll era is still about shading, context, and nuance, not strictly about wins and losses.

Yeah I mean it makes sense. Oregon's only big win is Washington (who is now only one game over .500), whereas FSU not only defeated #3 but utterly destroyed them. But I just read that FSU is only on top of Oregon by a .028 margin. So it really could have gone either way. Excitement probably played a factor. If anything it will make the Ducks ready to wreck UCLA and Stanford. And if they win out, they are in without a doubt.

 

[planomateo]

Yeah I mean it makes sense. Oregon's only big win is Washington (who is now only one game over .500), whereas FSU not only defeated #3 but utterly destroyed them. But I just read that FSU is only on top of Oregon by a .028 margin. So it really could have gone either way. Excitement probably played a factor. If anything it will make the Ducks ready to wreck UCLA and Stanford. And if they win out, they are in without a doubt.

Nope, FSU was ranked #3 in both people polls. Oregon's avg in the computer was 4...

 

[PhillyGirl]

Yeah I mean it makes sense. Oregon's only big win is Washington (who is now only one game over .500), whereas FSU not only defeated #3 but utterly destroyed them. But I just read that FSU is only on top of Oregon by a .028 margin. So it really could have gone either way. Excitement probably played a factor. If anything it will make the Ducks ready to wreck UCLA and Stanford. And if they win out, they are in without a doubt.

Nope, FSU was ranked #3 in both people polls. Oregon's avg in the computer was 4...

4???? Now THAT is disturbing .. Dang.

 

[TerryP]

4???? Now THAT is disturbing .. Dang.

How is their computer ranking "disturbing?" They are taking a hit on their strength of schedule, to date, and FSU has clearly played a stronger schedule at this point. We could look at a number of different rankings if we chose to but in this case, just using Sagarin, Oregon's SOS looks like a B1G schedule—to date!

While the formula's for the computer rankings are different from each other and while some require advanced educational backgrounds in algorithm's :icon_eek:...a win over UCLA and Oregon moving up just one spot in one computer poll will flip the order of #2 and #3...

 

[planomateo]

The actual poll with the details.

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[TD]Ohio State[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
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[TD]Texas Tech[/TD]
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[TD]Auburn[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1105[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].4210[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]537[/TD]
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[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]UCLA[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1323[/TD]
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[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]LSU[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].4552[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
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[TD]Virginia Tech[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
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[TD]15[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
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[TD]16[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Fresno State[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].3379[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Northern Illinois[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].3032[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]518[/TD]
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[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Oklahoma State[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].2687[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]951[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].3623[/TD]
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[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Louisville[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1046[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
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[TD]South Carolina[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
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[TD]Nebraska[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
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[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Oregon State[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].1042[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]168[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]NR[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]91[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
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[PhillyGirl]

4???? Now THAT is disturbing .. Dang.

How is their computer ranking "disturbing?" They are taking a hit on their strength of schedule, to date, and FSU has clearly played a stronger schedule at this point. We could look at a number of different rankings if we chose to but in this case, just using Sagarin, Oregon's SOS looks like a B1G schedule—to date!

While the formula's for the computer rankings are different from each other and while some require advanced educational backgrounds in algorithm's :icon_eek:...a win over UCLA and Oregon moving up just one spot in one computer poll will flip the order of #2 and #3...

Is Ohio State's SOS better than Oregon's so far? I also feel like Oregon dominated all opponents so far whereas OSU had a few closer games.

 

[bamaraider]

The goat humpers at #11 :sauer055:

 

[TerryP]

Is Ohio State's SOS better than Oregon's so far? I also feel like Oregon dominated all opponents so far whereas OSU had a few closer games.

No, the Buckeyes have played a weaker schedule than the Ducks and it's reflected in their ranking in the same computer polls. What's of note, now that you brought OSU in, is their schedule gets weaker as the season progresses which in turn should reflect in those same computer polls. The zero in the loss column keeps them where they are. A loss and they're likely out of the top 10.

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One thing I'd like to see (for no other reason than curiosity) is a Big12 and a B1G team finish the year undefeated. Who would be ranked higher in the BCS standings (computers specifically.)