🏈 Baylor's Leadership Changes still ongoing (thread title updated)

[bama alum]

How can they name the DC? Baylor needs a house cleaning. Baptists use water and fire. Cleanse it.

:rolf::rolf::rolf:

 

[rolltide66]

Where does this leave Butch and the Voldals. Did Butch do basically the same thing at Ut - N? Cant let the Baptists out do the VolunToads.

 

[PhillyGirl]

This is so sad and delusional ..

@MikeLeslieWFAA: Art Briles daughter, Staley Lebby, posts her thoughts on facebook about her father's firing at #Baylor. Mike Leslie on Twitter

 

[BamaFan334]

This is so sad and delusional ..

@MikeLeslieWFAA: Art Briles daughter, Staley Lebby, posts her thoughts on facebook about her father's firing at #Baylor. Mike Leslie on Twitter

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Yeah, he's a stand up guy. Atleast he has his kids fooled. My guess is if something happened to her like this, he'd be singing a different tune.

 

[BAMAneck]

I think the daughter said it best .... " he has always been a players coach "

 

[ElephantStomp]

This is so sad and delusional ..

@MikeLeslieWFAA: Art Briles daughter, Staley Lebby, posts her thoughts on facebook about her father's firing at #Baylor. Mike Leslie on Twitter

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I can see her point. People only know one side of it. We haven't heard from Briles.

I think Baylor did this to try and cover their asses. They didn't fire their President, they just removed him from being President, he's still Chancellor. The AD is still there. They'll be able to get another good coach. I'll bet anything that Baylor barely skips a beat.

Now, let me be clear this is disgusting and if proven true the entire leadership of Baylor should be fired and then some and Briles should never be able to coach checkers let alone college football.

 

[bradenob]

I can see her point. People only know one side of it. We haven't heard from Briles.

I think Baylor did this to try and cover their asses. They didn't fire their President, they just removed him from being President, he's still Chancellor. The AD is still there. They'll be able to get another good coach. I'll bet anything that Baylor barely skips a beat.

Now, let me be clear this is disgusting and if proven true the entire leadership of Baylor should be fired and then some and Briles should never be able to coach checkers let alone college football.

Yeah, not so sure about that.... the lack of institutional control is going to be big, firing Briles or not. Baylor is no powerhouse - just because Briles was successful doesn't mean this is an attractive venue for a coach. I bet they are a .500 school at BEST after this year.

As was stated earlier, if this kind of cover up is proven accurate once the chips fall, this is definitely Penn State 2.0, and everything but the death penalty awaits.

 

[OldPlayer]

Yeah, not so sure about that.... the lack of institutional control is going to be big, firing Briles or not. Baylor is no powerhouse - just because Briles was successful doesn't mean this is an attractive venue for a coach. I bet they are a .500 school at BEST after this year.

As was stated earlier, if this kind of cover up is proven accurate once the chips fall, this is definitely Penn State 2.0, and everything but the death penalty awaits.

As with Penn State, this is a criminal matter not an NCAA regulations violation. Baylor (coaches, administration or all of the above) violated the law.

Why NCAA shouldn't punish Baylor football after latest scandal

 

[bradenob]

As with Penn State, this is a criminal matter not an NCAA regulations violation. Baylor (coaches, administration or all of the above) violated the law.

Why NCAA shouldn't punish Baylor football after latest scandal

OP, I see the point of the article, and I am sure obstruction is the criminal matter, among other things. And it is also the more IMPORTANT matter in this whole mess.

HOWEVER, unlike the Penn State situation, IF it is found that Briles, or any assistants or any in the athletic department obstructed a BAYLOR investigation, or encouraged others to lie, etc, it WOULD exhibit lack of institutional control. It made no sense to punish Penn State for Paterno possibly turning a blind eye. For the head coach, or others in the AD, to try to cover up, or control, or subvert ANY criminal investigation of a player, rather than pursuing justice and being cooperative, is some of the worst lack of institutional control I can think of. Then it not ONLY becomes a criminal matter, but ALSO a violation of NCAA rules and regs.

 

[OldPlayer]

OP, I see the point of the article, and I am sure obstruction is the criminal matter, among other things. And it is also the more IMPORTANT matter in this whole mess.

HOWEVER, unlike the Penn State situation, IF it is found that Briles, or any assistants or any in the athletic department obstructed a BAYLOR investigation, or encouraged others to lie, etc, it WOULD exhibit lack of institutional control. It made no sense to punish Penn State for Paterno possibly turning a blind eye. For the head coach, or others in the AD, to try to cover up, or control, or subvert ANY criminal investigation of a player, rather than pursuing justice and being cooperative, is some of the worst lack of institutional control I can think of. Then it not ONLY becomes a criminal matter, but ALSO a violation of NCAA rules and regs.

There is a lack of institutional control, but their lack of control isn't against NCAA rules. Where do NCAA rules cover sexual assault? We are in agreement that punishment needs to take place, but by which governing body?

 

[bradenob]

There is a lack of institutional control, but their lack of control isn't against NCAA rules. Where do NCAA rules cover sexual assault? We are in agreement that punishment needs to take place, but by which governing body?

I thought about that and you may be correct. However, if it is found that they received preferential treatment as football players, being protected, not being put thru the due diligence investigation BY THE SCHOOL, as has been reported, then that DOES violate NCAA rules. If Briles or any employee of the AD knew OR helped obtain said preferential treatment, doesn't that violate NCAA rules? And that IS separate, although connected, to the LEGAL matter.

Baylor contacted NCAA about possible violations related to sexual assault scandal | SportsDay

 

[TerryP]

Although they deserve it, I don't think it will happen. Many thought the NCAA overstepped their authority with Penn State (and Penn State sucked up to them to get the issue over with). I think Baylor should impose some significant self-imposed penalties.

As with Penn State, this is a criminal matter not an NCAA regulations violation. Baylor (coaches, administration or all of the above) violated the law.

Why NCAA shouldn't punish Baylor football after latest scandal

Hear. Hear. X2

 

[OldPlayer]

I thought about that and you may be correct. However, if it is found that they received preferential treatment as football players, being protected, not being put thru the due diligence investigation BY THE SCHOOL, as has been reported, then that DOES violate NCAA rules. If Briles or any employee of the AD knew OR helped obtain said preferential treatment, doesn't that violate NCAA rules? And that IS separate, although connected, to the LEGAL matter.

Baylor contacted NCAA about possible violations related to sexual assault scandal | SportsDay

Preferential treatment is not the same as impermissible benefits. All athletes get preferential treatment (they are excused from class due to athletic competition, they receive apparel from Nike/Adidas/UA, they have greater academic support resources than the average student). These are criminal cases and should be put through the legal system before any school justice (imagine the lawsuit if the school kicked them out before being found not guilty by the court).

I think we agree that something stinks in Waco. The question is, who administers the justice?

 

[TerryP]

The question is, who administers the justice?

To that, there should be no doubt.

I'm still left without an answer to who was punished with the NCAA and Penn State? The only answer I've got is Paterno's family.

 

[PhillyGirl]

The issue of "who is responsible" is becoming a really hot topic in higher ed.

For example, I am a study abroad advisor. My student reported a sexual assault by another of my students two days ago (they are abroad right now). I reported it to my supervisor, to our department dean, and to the campus Title IX coordinator. Regardless of whether or not the assault happened here on campus in the States or at our partner university in Israel, it is not part of the chain of communication to get the police involved (either in Israel or here), at least not yet. Why? Legally, I am not allowed to do this. I am also not legally allowed to inform either student's parent(s)/guardian(s). I had to have a training session on this when I was hired. It's all Title IX and FERPA mumbo jumbo to me, but I find the whole thing a bit strange.

 

[planomateo]

For the record, Art hasn't been fired at this point.

Baylor University Board of Regents announces leadership changes and extensive corrective actions following findings of external investigation

The following personnel changes are effective immediately.

• Ken Starr will no longer serve in the role of President of Baylor University effective May 31. David Garland, former dean and professor at Baylor's George W. Truett Theological Seminary, will serve as Interim President of Baylor University while the University initiates a search for its next President. Garland previously served as Baylor's interim President from August 2008 to May 2010. Starr remains the Louise L. Morrison Chair of Constitutional Law in Baylor's Law School and has agreed in principle to serve as Chancellor on terms that are still being discussed.
• Effective immediately, Head Football Coach Art Briles has been suspended indefinitely with intent to terminate according to contractual procedures.
• Ian McCaw has been sanctioned and placed on probation. McCaw will work with University leadership and the Board of Regents to implement the recommendations as they relate to the restoration of a tone of accountability within the football program, to effective oversight and controls of the Athletics department, and to critically needed changes that will re-align the Athletics program with the University mission.
• Additional members of the Administration and Athletics program have also been dismissed. Neither these individuals nor the disciplinary actions will be identified publicly.
• Greg Jones, as Executive Vice President and Provost, serves as second in command and will continue to have responsibility for the academic enterprise and fulfillment of the University's Christian mission.
• The roles of members of several University departments will be clarified and staff will be engaged in continuing and robust training before the start of the Fall 2016 semester.
• The overall business operations of the University, including Athletics, will be executed primarily through Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer.
• The Board of Regents has created the full-time position of Chief Compliance Officer that will report directly to the Office of the President.

 

[planomateo]

The issue of "who is responsible" is becoming a really hot topic in higher ed.

For example, I am a study abroad advisor. My student reported a sexual assault by another of my students two days ago (they are abroad right now). I reported it to my supervisor, to our department dean, and to the campus Title IX coordinator. Regardless of whether or not the assault happened here on campus in the States or at our partner university in Israel, it is not part of the chain of communication to get the police involved (either in Israel or here), at least not yet. Why? Legally, I am not allowed to do this. I am also not legally allowed to inform either student's parent(s)/guardian(s). I had to have a training session on this when I was hired. It's all Title IX and FERPA mumbo jumbo to me, but I find the whole thing a bit strange.

Protect the students (aka protect the University and control the messaging).

 

[planomateo]

Interesting perspective.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Yeah, not so sure about that.... the lack of institutional control is going to be big, firing Briles or not. Baylor is no powerhouse - just because Briles was successful doesn't mean this is an attractive venue for a coach. I bet they are a .500 school at BEST after this year.

As was stated earlier, if this kind of cover up is proven accurate once the chips fall, this is definitely Penn State 2.0, and everything but the death penalty awaits.

It's an attractive job because of the money they just spent on facilities and they play in a crap conference, but winning the conference guarantees big money bowl game or playoff.

I'm not saying there wasn't a lack of control, but they fired the HC, but not the President or the AD or anybody else for that matter. I guarantee Briles isn't the only bad guy in all this.

 

[ElephantStomp]

To that, there should be no doubt.

I'm still left without an answer to who was punished with the NCAA and Penn State? The only answer I've got is Paterno's family.

And I think punishing that family was a horrible mistake.