🏈 Bama's staff is complete with the hire of Brian Daboll

Just don't put me in that "incensed" category on the OC watch. Just curious why certain names come up and who these folks are. My prediction: More of the same with an emphasis on getting the ball downfield.

With "run Daboll" already being hailed as our new OC in waiting, the uncertainty of syncing Jalen and new OC to his skill set and strength seems ominous.

See that "incensed" comment?

Timeline here ...
Last Friday (Look at the response from @Birdman37 : Football - Bama's Coaching Search: Saban with likely three positions to fill.

It's Thursday night. I can't tell you how many ways I've seen him dissected.

Let's talk about the who is coaching the TE's.
 
See that "incensed" comment?

Timeline here ...
Last Friday (Look at the response from @Birdman37 : Football - Bama's Coaching Search: Saban with likely three positions to fill.

It's Thursday night. I can't tell you how many ways I've seen him dissected.

Let's talk about the who is coaching the TE's.


I'd like to jump in but not sure what you're saying here? As far as where we are in the big search, ignorance is pretty much a temperary thing here, just a lack of info. I figure the spring is going to clear it up soon enough.

Should someone in the press suck it up and admit that yet another former Saban coach, Pannunzio, is returning to the scene of the crime? Maybe someone will finally admit that coaches actually like working for Saban, they really do.
 
I'd like to jump in but not sure what you're saying here? As far as where we are in the big search, ignorance is pretty much a temperary thing here, just a lack of info. I figure the spring is going to clear it up soon enough.
Then we're in the same boat because I'm not sure what you're saying here, as well. As far as this search goes, where has there been a lack of information? We knew a week ago Daboll was where he (Saban) was going. As to other assignments, we haven't seen anything official but where guys like Locksley end up coaching isn't an unknown.

Should someone in the press suck it up and admit that yet another former Saban coach, Pannunzio, is returning to the scene of the crime? Maybe someone will finally admit that coaches actually like working for Saban, they really do.
You know, as I recall that storyline started when Saban left Michigan State and went to LSU. It was a headline narrative, "Saban's assistants don't join him in Baton Rouge." When he left, the Tiger fan base made that one of their cries (along with will never stay, won't recruit as well, ... :blahblah: )

The thing is there have been coaches who didn't like what was required. Steele, as example, didn't like the recruiting role he had and that was one of the reasons we saw his job responsitiblities/title change in '08. Middleton, with his wife's health, didn't deal well with the hours.

If anyone does "suck it up and admit..." it'll fall on deaf ears.
 
IF I've got this right, Daboll takes the OC job, as Co-OC Locksley takes over coaching the WR's, Pannunzio takes over the DFO position just vacated, and we're left with the question of who takes over the TE's.

Some moves inside the football program today. DPD Freddie Roach takes the DL job at Ole Miss. Saban promoted Ellis Ponder (assistant DFO) to the DFO position.

I thought we'd see Pannunzio take over that DFO position while wondering who would take the TE's. With Ponder getting the DFO nod, Pannunzio to TE's and ST's.
 
Then we're in the same boat because I'm not sure what you're saying here, as well. As far as this search goes, where has there been a lack of information? We knew a week ago Daboll was where he (Saban) was going. As to other assignments, we haven't seen anything official but where guys like Locksley end up coaching isn't an unknown.

Then I'll try again. The ignorance I speak of is the unknown in synchronizing talent to scheme. Seeing is believing, so until then, that's not likely to change. For example, Sark didn't represent so much the unknown based on our personnel and even who we were recruiting during his brief stay.
That is, except the hurry up that never slowed down during the natty. That part was perplexing enough.
 
...is the unknown in synchronizing talent to scheme. Seeing is believing, so until then, that's not likely to change.
That's not an unknown either.

We've known that the end goal was bringing in a guy who would utilize the road graders we've seen recruited the last few years with the plethora of running backs. The catch-phrase around the football complex was "a conversative, pro-style attack" that featured the offensive line and running backs. (Run to set up pass in layman's terms.) We also know they aren't moving away from having the ability to move to a spread attack that can move quickly.

Daboll: Here's a guy that's been coordinating the running game attack for the Pats for several years now. That's a fit.

I fully expect some reading this to immediately think, "what about QB development?" Hence, Dan Werner.

In the end no one knows how a coordinator is going to do when he joins a program. It's safe to say when you have guys like Belichick and Saban believing firmly in a guys ability ... he's going to be able to handle the job.

(One thing I really like about the Daboll hire comes in a few layers. I recall Belichick making the comment that working with Brady every coach had to be on their toes--Tom always has(d) as much, or more, film study done on upcoming opponents as the Pats staff.

Read of this real quick:

This is a job Daboll has prepared to seize, and his players vouch for his sterling reputation.

“He is a phenomenal coach,” tight end Martellus Bennett said. “He is one of the best I’ve ever been around, always prepared. Preparation is key. I’ve been in the league for 10 years, going into my 10th year (next year), and he has helped me grow as a player tremendously, whether it’s techniques, becoming a better player, a better teammate and things like that. A lot of my success is attributed to him this season. I put in the work, too, but he is invested in me and I invested in him. We have a great relationship together, so it’s fun working with him every day.”
Who does that sound like?

These aren't my opinions.

Brian Daboll ready to step in to lead the Patriots offense
 
That's not an unknown either.

We've known that the end goal was bringing in a guy who would utilize the road graders we've seen recruited the last few years with the plethora of running backs. The catch-phrase around the football complex was "a conversative, pro-style attack" that featured the offensive line and running backs. (Run to set up pass in layman's terms.) We also know they aren't moving away from having the ability to move to a spread attack that can move quickly.

Daboll: Here's a guy that's been coordinating the running game attack for the Pats for several years now. That's a fit.

I fully expect some reading this to immediately think, "what about QB development?" Hence, Dan Werner.

In the end no one knows how a coordinator is going to do when he joins a program. It's safe to say when you have guys like Belichick and Saban believing firmly in a guys ability ... he's going to be able to handle the job.

(One thing I really like about the Daboll hire comes in a few layers. I recall Belichick making the comment that working with Brady every coach had to be on their toes--Tom always has(d) as much, or more, film study done on upcoming opponents as the Pats staff.

Read of this real quick:

This is a job Daboll has prepared to seize, and his players vouch for his sterling reputation.

“He is a phenomenal coach,” tight end Martellus Bennett said. “He is one of the best I’ve ever been around, always prepared. Preparation is key. I’ve been in the league for 10 years, going into my 10th year (next year), and he has helped me grow as a player tremendously, whether it’s techniques, becoming a better player, a better teammate and things like that. A lot of my success is attributed to him this season. I put in the work, too, but he is invested in me and I invested in him. We have a great relationship together, so it’s fun working with him every day.”
Who does that sound like?

These aren't my opinions.

Brian Daboll ready to step in to lead the Patriots offense

Well, thanks for the additional info, that's all good to know. The New England spread concepts have always been a working part of their offense. More so than a lot of NFL programs. That is mostly what I've tried to trace on this guy so far.

As far as Jalen is concerned, he has already stated that the reason he came to play at Alabama was because he wanted to prepare for the pro game, I don't think he fears a more traditional offense. He's been under center some and from this hire, he probably knows he will be asked to do this even more. I don't think that in itself is bad for future Bama success and even with Sark, it needed to be more about power and balanced passing this season.
 
The New England spread concepts have always been a working part of their offense. More so than a lot of NFL programs.
Expounding on this just a tad (and folks, don't think I'm making a comparison with Brady here.)

We know Daboll has been working with McDaniels on the Pats game plans for years. Here's something you may not know about those game plans.

How often to you think the Pats when for that deep ball last season? After all, it's been a complaint about the QB's at Bama, right? I was a little surprised that they only had 13 deep pass attempts this season--all season. But when I thought about the distribution of the throws, the number of receivers Bama has with ability ... I can see a really good fit there as well.
 
Expounding on this just a tad (and folks, don't think I'm making a comparison with Brady here.)

We know Daboll has been working with McDaniels on the Pats game plans for years. Here's something you may not know about those game plans.

How often to you think the Pats when for that deep ball last season? After all, it's been a complaint about the QB's at Bama, right? I was a little surprised that they only had 13 deep pass attempts this season--all season. But when I thought about the distribution of the throws, the number of receivers Bama has with ability ... I can see a really good fit there as well.

And if that is the passing style we bring to the table, what is safer and more Jalen friendly and more time consuming than moving the chains down the field with the short and intermediate style? Frankly, I was screaming at the Falcons for completely screwing up the short down and distance against the Patriots the entire second half. It literally cost them the game. I would have guessed Brady seldom stretches the field deep and I get why. I still believe the need for the long ball with spread concepts is more myth that fact.
 
I still believe the need for the long ball with spread concepts is more myth that fact.

Oh, agreed! I'll take that a step further. The need for completing a lot of long ball attempts is a myth when it comes to keeping the back four/five from creeping up on the line. Hell, give me a QB that completes half of his attempts over 15 yards and I'm happy. If a DB gets beat, and the receiver misses the ball, that DB is thinking about him getting beaten as much, or more, than the dropped ball.

And if that is the passing style we bring to the table, what is safer and more Jalen friendly and more time consuming than moving the chains down the field with the short and intermediate style?

That's what I'm seeing when told of the style they are looking to achieve with the new hire. I don't mind quick outs or screens and certainly love those 5-8 yards passing attempts that move the chains.

I hate bring the Clemson game back up ... but, what (as has already been asked countless times) would have a sustained drive or two meant in that game?
 
Oh, agreed! I'll take that a step further. The need for completing a lot of long ball attempts is a myth when it comes to keeping the back four/five from creeping up on the line. Hell, give me a QB that completes half of his attempts over 15 yards and I'm happy. If a DB gets beat, and the receiver misses the ball, that DB is thinking about him getting beaten as much, or more, than the dropped ball.



That's what I'm seeing when told of the style they are looking to achieve with the new hire. I don't mind quick outs or screens and certainly love those 5-8 yards passing attempts that move the chains.

I hate bring the Clemson game back up ... but, what (as has already been asked countless times) would have a sustained drive or two meant in that game?

And speaking of Clempsum, I don't recall them having a ton of passes at 15+ yards. I'd say 90% of Watson's passes fell in the 8-15 yard range, IIRC.
 
Oh, agreed! I'll take that a step further. The need for completing a lot of long ball attempts is a myth when it comes to keeping the back four/five from creeping up on the line. Hell, give me a QB that completes half of his attempts over 15 yards and I'm happy. If a DB gets beat, and the receiver misses the ball, that DB is thinking about him getting beaten as much, or more, than the dropped ball.



That's what I'm seeing when told of the style they are looking to achieve with the new hire. I don't mind quick outs or screens and certainly love those 5-8 yards passing attempts that move the chains.

I hate bring the Clemson game back up ... but, what (as has already been asked countless times) would have a sustained drive or two meant in that game?

The problem was/is... Ridley was open deep all season long and we struggled to get him the ball. Although, the DB's creeping up on the line is a bit of a concern too... I'm more concerned at how many wide open shots we had deep that we couldn't connect on... not even close. Even the ones where we did connect, the majority of them the WR had to make a very strong effort to catch the ball.

Now, I'm not saying that deep ball is a high percentage pass for any QB, but JH is either late seeing it or has a bit of a hitch in the "windup" getting that ball down field and it makes him late... I think it'll get worked out, but I have seen things like that hang on for a long time as a habbit and hard to work through.

The quick outs and slants are where we need to be anyway, which is fine... but we didn't do a ton of passes over the middle with JH. I think mostly because we didn't want him to have to read the LB's coverage... and trying to make it easier/safer for him... but that will need to change as he get's more experience. What the Pats do so well is that little slant... and they don't drop them. It's almost impossible to cover if the QB makes a good throw... If we can dink and dunk it with our passing game and mix in a strong running game, we'll be just fine with whatever OC comes in to make the calls.
 
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