📡 B1G cancels fall sports, PAC12 follows.

[TerryP]

Not necessarily.

If they believe they can make more $ in the Spring than in the Fall, isn't that exactly what a business owner would do?

They do not believe such because that possibility doesn't exist under the current contracts with TV, et. al.

That said, I believe you're missing my point.

These conflicting reports we're seeing demonstrates what a lackadaisical attitude they've taken. Back to my original point of the college town economy. If their job was in jeopardy because they were shutting down dozens and dozens of small college town businesses I'd bet everything I have the votes would be in favor of playing. IF their decision was based on running a business which you've said, and seen, countless times.

They have no risk aka skin in the game. That's why it is so easy for them to have such a casual attitude.

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[Tidestalker]

They do not believe such because that possibility doesn't exist under the current contracts with TV, et. al.

That said, I believe you're missing my point.

These conflicting reports we're seeing demonstrates what a lackadaisical attitude they've taken. Back to my original point of the college town economy. If their job was in jeopardy because they were shutting down dozens and dozens of small college town businesses I'd bet everything I have the votes would be in favor of playing. IF their decision was based on running a business which you've said, and seen, countless times.

They have no risk aka skin in the game. That's why it is so easy for them to have such a casual attitude.

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And your answer to my very, very simple question is.....?

I'm not missing your point, at all. You've made the point that the Presidents are not thinking like business owners... I simply disagree.

It's going to be terribly bad for business when Universities are online, and the players are still competing. But if/when kids are back on campuses for the 2nd semester, and there is a much more likely scenario of a socially acceptable way to host fans (and make money off them), then it's a no-brainer for a president/business owner to look towards a Spring season.

What good does a fall season with no fans do a small business in Tuscaloosa? Or the example I heard earlier today about a Church using it's parking lot for $30K profit? That is clearly where this is headed.

In regards to TV contracts, that doesn't impact local businesses who survive on Saturdays. I'm not going to pretend to know the ins & outs of how flexible those contracts are, but I will say that in these times I'm confident there could be some very lucrative opportunities in the Spring... Especially with the opportunity to play on Sundays

 

[BamaFan334]

Is the 12-2 vote to cancel Fall sports in the Big Ten, legitimate?

 

[footballer]

College presidents, bot members and others who have a real say in whether to have a fall sports season are a microcosm of the rest of society.
Probably, most of them do not want life to get back anywhere close to normal. They do not want students back in class or on campus. They do not want any sports being played. They would rather have chaos than normalcy in all of the country. Damn the torpedoes. The powers that be do not want this country to prosper under the leadership of P. Trump and will do ANYTHING to see that he is not re-elected. FACT

 

[Tidestalker]

College presidents, bot members and others who have a real say in whether to have a fall sports season are a microcosm of the rest of society.
Probably, most of them do not want life to get back anywhere close to normal. They do not want students back in class or on campus. They do not want any sports being played. They would rather have chaos than normalcy in all of the country. Damn the torpedoes. The powers that be do not want this country to prosper under the leadership of P. Trump and will do ANYTHING to see that he is not re-elected. FACT

I disagree in regards to the College Presidents. I think they want a combination of 2 things, that also happen to be directly tied to their own job security.

1. Minimize Legal Liability
2. Maximize earning potential and/or Limit Losses

The PR nightmare that comes with this decision, either way, ultimately impacts #1 and #2.

 

[mando]

The powers that be do not want this country to prosper under the leadership of P. Trump and will do ANYTHING to see that he is not re-elected. FACT

I get that but I never can come up with a logical reason why. Is he really challenging the status quo so much that all of these peoples worlds are threatened? Maybe so but lots of businessmen should want him to succeed.

 

[footballer]

I get that but I never can come up with a logical reason why. Is he really challenging the status quo so much that all of these peoples worlds are threatened? Maybe so but lots of businessmen should want him to succeed.

You are right on when you say lots of businessmen want P Trump to succeed. There are a great many Honest business people who prosper under the Trump administration.
Do you remember perhaps his main campaign slogan? "I am going to drain the swamp", along with ending corruption, human trafficking and pedophilia.
I believe draining the swamp meant getting the corruption out of Washington. On the right and left.I think I heard the number of 58 congressmen and senators who stepped aside and did not run for their seat in 2018. And there are so many more there who are rotten to the core.

P Trump signed an E.O. on I believe 12/21/17, dealing with human trafficking and pedophilia, along with the corruption that goes along with them.
A site will be below this post showing that E.O.

Yes, there are many good , honest business people in this country. BUT, there are probably just as many, maybe more, corrupt business people running corrupt businesses. There are perhaps thousands of CEO's who have stepped down from their positions since P Trump has been in office.
They can see that he has kept his campaign promises. How much shit has been thrown at him since taking office? All democrats as well as some republicans are against him.The corrupt MSM are against him. Corrupt Hollywood are against him. Corrupt social media is against him. Corrupt businesses is against him. It is not because
they simply don't like him, as some in the media will have you think. It is because they are scared of him. He is out to get the corrupt sob's and
jail their sorry asses. It is like I have posted on here before. They have to get rid of him or prevent his re-election because they KNOW he is coming after them full force.

A link to CEO's stepping down as well as the E.O. from 12/21/17 is listed below.

Private Site

Executive Order 12/21/2017

Executive Order 12/21/2017

www.douknowq.com

 

[Rolltide24]

I’m sure politics are playing in to these meetings/discussions at some level. Probably not to conspiracy theory level some might suggest.

i don’t often y’all politics with strangers and seldom with family and friends. But I’ll note this. My retirement accounts are over 4 years ahead of where I planned/expected to be, given some incredible performance the last 4 years. Yes, going back a little before the election... Not giving the president all the credit, I’m just saying. Following my grandad’s advice, as the sun has been shining...

 

[TerryP]

And your answer to my very, very simple question is.....?

It's not a simple question because it's not based in reality. The spring doesn't offer the same as the fall.

What good does a fall season with no fans do a small business in Tuscaloosa? Or the example I heard earlier today about a Church using it's parking lot for $30K profit? That is clearly where this is headed.

Having no fans in town doesn't do the Tuscaloosa business community any good, at all. What you're missing there is those businesses you refer to here are struggling more than you can imagine, today. Many won't make it through the fall without some fans and students in Tuscaloosa. I've heard from many about the financial struggles they are dealing with and a push to the spring only means they'll be watching from the unemployment line instead of their current place of business.

In regards to TV contracts, that doesn't impact local businesses who survive on Saturdays. I'm not going to pretend to know the ins & outs of how flexible those contracts are, but I will say that in these times I'm confident there could be some very lucrative opportunities in the Spring... Especially with the opportunity to play on Sundays

Where are the opportunities? Are you assuming that we'll see college football compete with college basketball for viewers? You'd be right. You'd also be looking at less viewers for both. Add the NBA. Who wins there when it comes to what ESPN will broadcast? Follow the money there...they're paying a lot more to the NBA than to CFB.

Where's college baseball? Unaired. What about softball? Unaired. MLB will be playing, there's another slice. CBS has a contract with the PGA. Who gets Saturday afternoons? The PGA will. Again, who is getting they money?

Going back to the business owner. If he sees where a spring campaign is going to affect things in the fall, as they will, what decision is he left with? Fact is, if they play in the spring...spring camp is out. That's not good for the 2021 team. A season ending in June, followed by summer and then fall workouts within a matter of weeks. Again, not good for the athlete. It's akin to playing two season in one calendar year. And again, not good for the athlete.

NFL draft in the spring. Do you expect them to change their draft dates and combine dates? They can't. The NFLPA won't allow it...but it certainly will hinder some of these guys futures.

I would absolutely LOVE to be able to watch Basketball, baseball, softball, and football all on a Saturday. But if you think that will do anything other than hurt three other sports at UA? Step back and look at it again.

 

[Tidestalker]

It's not a simple question because it's not based in reality. The spring doesn't offer the same as the fall.



Having no fans in town doesn't do the Tuscaloosa business community any good, at all. What you're missing there is those businesses you refer to here are struggling more than you can imagine, today. Many won't make it through the fall without some fans and students in Tuscaloosa. I've heard from many about the financial struggles they are dealing with and a push to the spring only means they'll be watching from the unemployment line instead of their current place of business.

Where are the opportunities? Are you assuming that we'll see college football compete with college basketball for viewers? You'd be right. You'd also be looking at less viewers for both. Add the NBA. Who wins there when it comes to what ESPN will broadcast? Follow the money there...they're paying a lot more to the NBA than to CFB.

Where's college baseball? Unaired. What about softball? Unaired. MLB will be playing, there's another slice. CBS has a contract with the PGA. Who gets Saturday afternoons? The PGA will. Again, who is getting they money?

Going back to the business owner. If he sees where a spring campaign is going to affect things in the fall, as they will, what decision is he left with? Fact is, if they play in the spring...spring camp is out. That's not good for the 2021 team. A season ending in June, followed by summer and then fall workouts within a matter of weeks. Again, not good for the athlete. It's akin to playing two season in one calendar year. And again, not good for the athlete.

NFL draft in the spring. Do you expect them to change their draft dates and combine dates? They can't. The NFLPA won't allow it...but it certainly will hinder some of these guys futures.

I would absolutely LOVE to be able to watch Basketball, baseball, softball, and football all on a Saturday. But if you think that will do anything other than hurt three other sports at UA? Step back and look at it again.

@TerryP - You make some fantastic points.... I appreciate your overall knowledge of the landscape.

To me, the main thing you are overlooking is that while students are coming back (some students, many opting out), these Presidents are not overlooking a high probability of their physical campus getting shut down sooner than later. And we all know there won't be football if there isn't school... The PR nightmare is too much to overcome.

And so again, I revert back to the idea that in this CURRENT CLIMATE - Is those troubles of a Spring Football season worth the troubles of having 0 fans in stadiums and/or the potential of getting cancelled? That is the reality of Fall football (whether I agree with it or not). The Spring, hypothetically, could bring more overall business opportunities than the Fall - Which is very likely to flat out get cancelled before or after it begins.

In regards to those small businesses who may not make it to Spring - That's just shitty and I feel terrible for those people. But that's also capitalism. Some make it, some don't. To your overall point of how to get them through the Fall - I truly believe school Presidents aren't confident about the school itself operating physically through the fall, which will ultimately impact those businesses as well.

 

[18Champs]

It's not a simple question because it's not based in reality. The spring doesn't offer the same as the fall.

Rodney over on TI echoed your thoughts here.

• Thinking B10 will end up delaying season to start along w/SEC BamaAF 2020-08-10 17:26:52
• • I’m concerned they’ll just “delay” to spring 67 2020-08-10 17:30:17
  • • No way there will be a spring season imo. Can't believe any... TI 2020-08-10 17:36:59
    • halfway intelligent person would even think it is possible. So not sure how the BIG 10 could even suggest such.
      • you key statement there relative to 67 was.... 14bama 2020-08-10 21:51:32
      • halfway intelligent person
      • The B10 will break up if they try to either cancel OR say "delay to spring" IMO. Wishing Well 2020-08-10 17:39:34
    • SEC won't. ACC won't. Fact!! That's all I care about. 67_supersport 2020-08-10 17:33:38
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    • IF SEC, ACC and one other play this fall there Spring season would be laughable. MobileBayBAMA 2020-08-10 17:32:35

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Rodney over on TI echoed your thoughts here.

• Thinking B10 will end up delaying season to start along w/SEC BamaAF 2020-08-10 17:26:52
• • I’m concerned they’ll just “delay” to spring 67 2020-08-10 17:30:17
  • • No way there will be a spring season imo. Can't believe any... TI 2020-08-10 17:36:59
    • halfway intelligent person would even think it is possible. So not sure how the BIG 10 could even suggest such.
      • you key statement there relative to 67 was.... 14bama 2020-08-10 21:51:32
      • halfway intelligent person
      • The B10 will break up if they try to either cancel OR say "delay to spring" IMO. Wishing Well 2020-08-10 17:39:34
    • SEC won't. ACC won't. Fact!! That's all I care about. 67_supersport 2020-08-10 17:33:38
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    • IF SEC, ACC and one other play this fall there Spring season would be laughable. MobileBayBAMA 2020-08-10 17:32:35

Those arent valid points at all....
By whoever those "experts"are...
Anything can be...if it so desired and there is cooperation...period

 

[TerryP]

To me, the main thing you are overlooking is that while students are coming back (some students, many opting out), these Presidents are not overlooking a high probability of their physical campus getting shut down sooner than later. And we all know there won't be football if there isn't school... The PR nightmare is too much to overcome.

A lot of assumptions here with no factual background. G

And so again, I revert back to the idea that in this CURRENT CLIMATE - Is those troubles of a Spring Football season worth the troubles of having 0 fans in stadiums and/or the potential of getting cancelled? That is the reality of Fall football (whether I agree with it or not). The Spring, hypothetically, could bring more overall business opportunities than the Fall - Which is very likely to flat out get cancelled before or after it begins.

Spring sports don't exist without fall. In many cases this is a zero-sum game.

In regards to those small businesses who may not make it to Spring - That's just shitty and I feel terrible for those people. But that's also capitalism. Some make it, some don't

in what world can capitalism exist with the Draconian measures that have been taken upon by these business owners?

 

[Tidestalker]

A lot of assumptions here with no factual background. G

I have a small insight. Avetar bet?

Spring sports don't exist without fall. In many cases this is a zero-sum game.

Football & Mens Hoops.... They HAVE to make $$$$. So if there is no football, there are issues!

in what world can capitalism exist with the Draconian measures that have been taken upon by these business owners?

Look - I'm with you... I don't think the govt should be taking draconian measures either. But in any business that is in a reasonably free market (we aren't a free market), capitalistic society, there are RISKS involved. What is the one thing most money managers agree on - Diversify. If your business is dependent on 1 thing... UA Football... You're putting yourself at risk when UA Football, the sport of a public institution, has issues. And in the same sense, probably done pretty well for the last 14 years.

This is also the same world where Multi Billion Dollar corporations overpay management, don't have a rainy day fund, over extend overhead, but can lobby themselves into position to receive large figure bailouts from politicians who will later serve on their board, or receive kick backs following their "service" as a government representative. Don't forget the campaign donations. The risk is not the same for everyone - So in that sense, you're right to question how we define capitalism. Unfortunately both sides agree, this is how we should operate

 

[Tidestalker]

Big Ten nixes fall college football season, eyes spring

The Big Ten Conference has decided to postpone all fall sports, including football, and will look to play those sports in the spring.

www.espn.com

 

[#80]

PAC-12 expected to cancel this afternoon.

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

Well those who are fans of even more chaos and fuckery will now be more pleased

 

[BamaJay73]

Cowards

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

Cowards

I think I should put your avatar as my sig line

 

[planomateo]

PAC-12 expected to cancel this afternoon.

Done.