🌎 Adam Kinzinger speaks on Ukraine, sort of.

[TerryP]

 

[ElephantStomp]

Charlie Kirk is an unintelligent dump truck and other than the “Ukraine will win” (we don’t know that) nothing Adam said is wrong

 

[TerryP]

Charlie Kirk is an unintelligent dump truck and other than the “Ukraine will win” (we don’t know that) nothing Adam said is wrong

Do you realize how often you call public figures that you disagree with stupid, or unintelligent?

In his own words, he's using a bully platform against a journalist with whom he disagrees. It's not about whether what he said is right or wrong; it's about "unhinged" behaviour. As it's said, "triggered."

What's sad here is the disagreement; seeking peaceful resolution versus sending more money and military might.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Do you realize how often you call public figures that you disagree with stupid, or unintelligent?

In his own words, he's using a bully platform against a journalist with whom he disagrees. It's not about whether what he said is right or wrong; it's about "unhinged" behaviour. As it's said, "triggered."

What's sad here is the disagreement; seeking peaceful resolution versus sending more money and military might.

Unintelligent is unintelligent whether I agree with them or not.

Charlie is a jackass, he’s a poor man’s Tucker, loud, obnoxious, and full of shit, but I’ll give them both this- they’re not Shapiro.

A peaceful resolution in this case is- give Russia Ukraine

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

Anyone arguing that Ukraine should not continue to fight needs to ask what they would say if Russia invaded Alaska. If they would argue the US should keep fighting then they are an idiot in their current argument about Ukraine.

 

[TideatMileHigh]

Anyone arguing that Ukraine should not continue to fight needs to ask what they would say if Russia invaded Alaska. If they would argue the US should keep fighting then they are an idiot in their current argument about Ukraine.

You cannot compare Russia invading Alaska to Russia invading Ukraine. That is not a good thought experiment as it ignores various geopolitical/military realties that cannot be pushed aside. America has a strategic nuclear force, while Ukraine is an impoverished/corrupt former territory of the Russian Empire/USSR and shares a direct land border with Russia. Those two countries have linked histories and people, that cannot be ignored.

Dude let me ask you something, at what point is Ukraine's refusal to negotiate/surrender considered simply reckless? Nothing short of them getting nuclear weapons or having foreign armies within their territory is going to save them in this war. We are talking about a country the size of New Mexico and Arizona trying to outlast a country that spans two continents. Russia has more people and more resources, and the Russian people are resolved to seeing this conflict through because they view this war as an existential threat to Russia's sovereignty.

Everyday the Ukrainian government refuses to negotiate means more dead soldiers, more dead civilians, and more wrecked infrastructure. They will be forced to surrender either conditionally or unconditionally. The longer they wait, the more the pain will be afterwards.

 

[TideatMileHigh]

Unintelligent is unintelligent whether I agree with them or not.

Charlie is a jackass, he’s a poor man’s Tucker, loud, obnoxious, and full of shit, but I’ll give them both this- they’re not Shapiro.

A peaceful resolution in this case is- give Russia Ukraine

A reasonable solution last year:

-Ukraine recognizes the Donbass, Luhansk, and other predominantly Russian regions as autonomous regions.
-Those regions would be considered de-militarized buffer states between Russia and Ukraine.
-Ukraine agrees to not receive any military aide from NATO countries
-Russia recognizes Ukraine's right to join the EU and receive non military foreign aide.

And yes, those conditions would be heavily skewed towards favoring Russia, but that is life. Russia is a super power while Ukraine is a Eastern European backwater.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

You cannot compare Russia invading Alaska to Russia invading Ukraine. That is not a good thought experiment as it ignores various geopolitical/military realties that cannot be pushed aside. America has a strategic nuclear force, while Ukraine is an impoverished/corrupt former territory of the Russian Empire/USSR and shares a direct land border with Russia. Those two countries have linked histories and people, that cannot be ignored.

Dude let me ask you something, at what point is Ukraine's refusal to negotiate/surrender considered simply reckless? Nothing short of them getting nuclear weapons or having foreign armies within their territory is going to save them in this war. We are talking about a country the size of New Mexico and Arizona trying to outlast a country that spans two continents. Russia has more people and more resources, and the Russian people are resolved to seeing this conflict through because they view this war as an existential threat to Russia's sovereignty.

Everyday the Ukrainian government refuses to negotiate means more dead soldiers, more dead civilians, and more wrecked infrastructure. They will be forced to surrender either conditionally or unconditionally. The longer they wait, the more the pain will be afterwards.

It 100% is a valid comparison. If the people of the Ukraine do not want to live under the subjugation of Russia then they should be supported in that. No troops of ours should go, but we should provide support otherwise.

People here sound like Neville Chamberlain. "All Putin wants is the Georgia and it is foolish for them to fight against it", followed soon by "All Putin wants is the Crimea and it is foolish for them to fight against it", and now "All Putin wants is the Ukraine and it is foolish for them to fight against it".

 

[XXL TideFan]

Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since ‘14 when Obama’s color revolution took root. The US & NATO engineered this mess by continually expanding NATO up to Russia’s border. Kinzinger was a republican like Liz Cheney.

 

[TideatMileHigh]

It 100% is a valid comparison. If the people of the Ukraine do not want to live under the subjugation of Russia then they should be supported in that. No troops of ours should go, but we should provide support otherwise.

People here sound like Neville Chamberlain. "All Putin wants is the Georgia and it is foolish for them to fight against it", followed soon by "All Putin wants is the Crimea and it is foolish for them to fight against it", and now "All Putin wants is the Ukraine and it is foolish for them to fight against it".

You forgot the part where Darth Putin destroys Ukraine with the Russian Death Star.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

You forgot the part where Darth Putin destroys Ukraine with the Russian Death Star.

Amazing how you just jump to lumping things into SciFi. Reality is that this is a mess and the Ukraine may be a backwater to you but the people who live there are not keen on having Russia come in and forcefully remove them. YOu seem to be fine with another Iron Curtain so you can have it.

 

[ElephantStomp]

A reasonable solution last year:

-Ukraine recognizes the Donbass, Luhansk, and other predominantly Russian regions as autonomous regions.
-Those regions would be considered de-militarized buffer states between Russia and Ukraine.
-Ukraine agrees to not receive any military aide from NATO countries
-Russia recognizes Ukraine's right to join the EU and receive non military foreign aide.

And yes, those conditions would be heavily skewed towards favoring Russia, but that is life. Russia is a super power while Ukraine is a Eastern European backwater.

A reasonable solution is the moron in Russia keep Russia out of Ukraine

Russia isn’t a superpower, they’re not considered one on the world stage, China is more of a superpower.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

Ukraine has been shelling the Donbas since ‘14 when Obama’s color revolution took root. The US & NATO engineered this mess by continually expanding NATO up to Russia’s border. Kinzinger was a republican like Liz Cheney.

Oh, you mean the part of their own country that Russia decided to invade in 2014?

 

[TideatMileHigh]

A reasonable solution is the moron in Russia keep Russia out of Ukraine

Russia isn’t a superpower, they’re not considered one on the world stage, China is more of a superpower.

Economically speaking, no. As far as war-tech is concerned, yes.

 

[TideatMileHigh]

Amazing how you just jump to lumping things into SciFi. Reality is that this is a mess and the Ukraine may be a backwater to you but the people who live there are not keen on having Russia come in and forcefully remove them. YOu seem to be fine with another Iron Curtain so you can have it.

My point is this: Your outlook on geopolitics is childish, and it reeks of someone who applies the morals of American pop culture onto foreign nations in which they probably know nothing about.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

My point is this: Your outlook on geopolitics is childish, and it reeks of someone who applies the morals of American pop culture onto foreign nations in which they probably know nothing about.

Your solution is to let Russia do what they want as long as you don't care about the country they are doing it to, or they are a backwaters in your estimation. That seems extremely self-centered and short sighted. And yes, it is just like the appeasement Chamberlain did that led directly to WWII.

 

[XXL TideFan]

Oh, you mean the part of their own country that Russia decided to invade in 2014?

I agree with the Russians over democrats. Save your breath from now on.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

I agree with the Russians over democrats. Save your breath from now on.

Figured as much. Save yours too.