🏈 5 most improved teams this fall?

[OldPlayer]

Then why don't they draw the numbers that are used to reflect your assertions?

There was an in-depth study done with the findings released within the last month. It's subject was fan bases. Look up the study by TJ Altimore on college football fan bases. It's an easy search: his findings were published in a lot of places. You won't find Nebraska listed above Tennessee.

In depth study? There’s no methodology, only results. It looks like it was just a survey but since there’s no methodology, we can’t identify the potential bias. Can fans be fans of more than one team?

 

[BamaFan334]

Then why don't they draw the numbers that are used to reflect your assertions?

There was an in-depth study done with the findings released within the last month. It's subject was fan bases. Look up the study by TJ Altimore on college football fan bases. It's an easy search: his findings were published in a lot of places. You won't find Nebraska listed above Tennessee.

Because that study is all encompasing? How many different ratings and rankings systems are out there that look at the same data only to come up with different lists? We can find anything to back up our assertions.

 

[mando]

Oh my TerryP stop the madness of saying anything good about the Viles ever.

 

[TerryP]

n depth study? There’s no methodology, only results.

I'm sorry, but what? How can someone get results in a study without methodology? You've lost me here. It doesn't make sense. It's akin to saying "here's the sum without doing the arithmetic."

 

[It Takes Eleven]

May this be the last of our offseason squabbles...

 

[BamaFan334]

May this be the last of our offseason squabbles...

We're like a bunch of pent up seventeen year old kids.

 

[OldPlayer]

I'm sorry, but what? How can someone get results in a study without methodology? You've lost me here. It doesn't make sense. It's akin to saying "here's the sum without doing the arithmetic."

So where’s the methodology? How and where did he get the data he’s analyzing? I see numbers and charts, but I don’t know where the numbers come from.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

We're like a bunch of pent up seventeen year old kids.

We were talking about tough practices and puking OL and such in another thread. It's funny the things that stick with you over time. My senior year, we had a small team, I want to say 26 or 28 of us. A half dozen of us rarely left the field that year. I wasn't on the punt return team, and that was about it. The summer two-a-days had been pretty tough, endless bear crawls, sprints and the like. We had gotten into shape. I remember running sprints the last practice before we went back to school (which would be the first game week). We just knew it was going to be another marathon session. We started out with a couple of 40's then coach backs up ten yards, a few 50's, then a couple of 60's. The only sound was the sound of equipment sloshing about. No one was breathing heavy. We're on the line to head back, just pure silence, not a breath. Coach hesitated, then gave us an "everybody up!" and we just exploded with relief and excitement. We had mastered our conditioning, ready to take on the world.

Over the years, when I've found myself getting a leg up on something - finding my trail legs well into a hike, getting a handle on a physically demanding construction/yard/auto project - I remember the sound of that equipment flailing about, and no one breathing heavy. I guess it's the sound of satisfaction.

 

[BamaFan334]

We were talking about tough practices and puking OL and such in another thread. It's funny the things that stick with you over time. My senior year, we had a small team, I want to say 26 or 28 of us. A half dozen of us rarely left the field that year. I wasn't on the punt return team, and that was about it. The summer two-a-days had been pretty tough, endless bear crawls, sprints and the like. We had gotten into shape. I remember running sprints the last practice before we went back to school (which would be the first game week). We just knew it was going to be another marathon session. We started out with a couple of 40's then coach backs up ten yards, a few 50's, then a couple of 60's. The only sound was the sound of equipment sloshing about. No one was breathing heavy. We're on the line to head back, just pure silence, not a breath. Coach hesitated, then gave us an "everybody up!" and we just exploded with relief and excitement. We had mastered our conditioning, ready to take on the world.

Over the years, when I've found myself getting a leg up on something - finding my trail legs well into a hike, getting a handle on a physically demanding construction/yard/auto project - I remember the sound of that equipment flailing about, and no one breathing heavy. I guess it's the sound of satisfaction.

Great story. I remember when we got a new coach come in and at Fall Camp we went to Milledgeville, Georgia to Georgia Military College. First thing he made us do was run 50 gassers. There back, there back was one as you probably know. We had never been challenged like that before in high school. It changed our mentality and realized we could handle a lot more than we ever thought. Then we added a five mile run in the mornings at 5AM. Any time I see that scene from Remember the Titans I recall that one Fall Camp where we ran our butts off, but were so much better for it. I need to remind myself of those days when I don't want to work out and get back into shape on a day I finally don't have any rec sports games or practice.

 

[TerryP]

Because that study is all encompasing? How many different ratings and rankings systems are out there that look at the same data only to come up with different lists? We can find anything to back up our assertions.

Funny thing here ...

I've provided data, in more than one form, and we're still talking about the data from which one can easily draw a conclusion.

 

[TerryP]

In depth study? There’s no methodology, only results. It looks like it was just a survey but since there’s no methodology, we can’t identify the potential bias. Can fans be fans of more than one team?

The New England Journal of Statistical Analysis?

FWIW, it was an aggregation of numerous studies on the subject over the last decade.

May this be the last of our offseason squabbles...

This is a squabble? Reads like a conversation in any number of sports bars on any given day.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

The New England Journal of Statistical Analysis?

FWIW, it was an aggregation of numerous studies on the subject over the last decade.

This is a squabble? Reads like a conversation in any number of sports bars on any given day.

You talk studies, methodology and research in a sports bar? Sounds like work.

 

[BamaFan334]

Funny thing here ...

I've provided data, in more than one form, and we're still talking about the data from which one can easily draw a conclusion.

So the recruiting data, roster footprint, result driven data in form of wins, championships, Heisman winners, strength of conference and schedules etc, and all of that wasn't an easy drawn conclusion?

 

[50+yeartidefan]

May this be the last of our offseason squabbles...

Not with me and @TerryP around

 

[TerryP]

So the recruiting data, roster footprint, result driven data in form of wins, championships, Heisman winners, strength of conference and schedules etc, and all of that wasn't an easy drawn conclusion?

Several of those go to support Tennessee's ability to return to the national scene more quickly than Nebraska. Recruiting data. UT recruits better. Championships. UT has more (book-ending Nebraska's.) Strength of conference? Has this conversation driven you to a hyperbolic state?

BTW, this is the second time you've brought up recruiting foot print when Tennessee has a pool of right at 50% of the D1 prospects in their own region. I pointed that out earlier in this thread noting Nebraska's region runs about 10%.

 

[TerryP]

You talk studies, methodology and research in a sports bar? Sounds like work.

Quite often talking about games on Saturdays which leads to more cards played. Now, the methodology for talking a guy into playing a 5 on 5 vs a 5 on 3 gets close to proprietary information.

 

[TerryP]

Not with me and @TerryP around

I've never thought of the word squabble when talking to you on subjects we see differently.

 

[BamaFan334]

Several of those go to support Tennessee's ability to return to the national scene more quickly than Nebraska. Recruiting data. UT recruits better. Championships. UT has more (book-ending Nebraska's.) Strength of conference? Has this conversation driven you to a hyperbolic state?

BTW, this is the second time you've brought up recruiting foot print when Tennessee has a pool of right at 50% of the D1 prospects in their own region. I pointed that out earlier in this thread noting Nebraska's region runs about 10%.

I acknowledged that and told you Nebraska recruits on a more national level. Yes, they are forced to, but they recruit better throughout the country and get talent when referring to a point you tried to make that Tennessee is better known and recruits nationwide over Nebraska. Returning to the scene has zero to do in the end with who recruits better. It's more of the development and the schedule you play. Look at Texas A&M under Jimbo. Until last year when the stars aligned, look at Kirby. Tennessee has always recruited well, but has not been able to match Alabama, Georgia, or Florida. Look at all the one score games that have gone the wrong direction for Nebraska. Once they fall that other way they are a more relevant program. Tennessee has a tougher hill to climb because they are required to beat one and possibly both teams sitting in the Top 5 annually when they play, and another that sits in the Top 15 usually.

As far as National Championships, doesn't matter if you can say bookend, it's a +/- one, just like the all-time wins category. One more national championship is not a dominant program over another. I mean, at one point Auburn was the more recent National Champion and best team over Alabama. Am I exaggerating the strength of the SEC and weaknesses of the Big 10? Not sure what you mean by hyperbolic state of mind when referring to that.

 

[TerryP]

I acknowledged that and told you Nebraska recruits on a more national level. Yes, they are forced to, but they recruit better throughout the country and get talent when referring to a point you tried to make that Tennessee is better known and recruits nationwide over Nebraska.

How are they recruiting better when the W's and class rankings point to Tennessee in both cases?

Returning to the scene has zero to do in the end with who recruits better.

Recruiting better players has "zero to do in the end" of which team returns to prominence more quickly? Oh gawd, Casey. What were you trying to say? You're pointing to UGA and Alabama here leading to a question, "did they recruit better than TN?"

As far as National Championships, doesn't matter if you can say bookend, it's a +/- one, just like the all-time wins category. One more national championship is not a dominant program over another.

You're still missing the point. Historically and nationally known were two of your points earlier. It matters: UT winning one since Nebraska did and before as well covers it historically as where they were playing covers nationally.

I mean, at one point Auburn was the more recent National Champion and best team over Alabama. Am I exaggerating the strength of the SEC and weaknesses of the Big 10? Not sure what you mean by hyperbolic state of mind when referring to that.

It read as if you were pointing to UN's SOS as a plus (where I was counting the B1G, the Big 12, Big 8, Big 6 ...)

 

[BamaFan334]

How are they recruiting better when the W's and class rankings point to Tennessee in both cases?

Recruiting better players has "zero to do in the end" of which team returns to prominence more quickly? Oh gawd, Casey. What were you trying to say? You're pointing to UGA and Alabama here leading to a question, "did they recruit better than TN?"

You're still missing the point. Historically and nationally known were two of your points earlier. It matters: UT winning one since Nebraska did and before as well covers it historically as where they were playing covers nationally.

It read as if you were pointing to UN's SOS as a plus (where I was counting the B1G, the Big 12, Big 8, Big 6 ...)

I am making a point that recruiting matters, but it doesn't automatically make you a contender. Teams all across the country land five stars, some teams like us land multiple five stars. That doesn't win you games, but if you have the coaching and system in place it can win you games. Texas A&M, Miami, Florida, Tennessee have all gotten their fair share of five stars, but do not have the system and coaching in place to make them relevant in the scheme of things. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson have all seen success in the last twenty years when they have certain aspects in place and can contribute. So yes, while it's nice Nebraska and Tennessee can recruit, pretty much alongside one another, it takes other aspects to create a relevant program. We are splitting hairs below with the information from Rivals. Neither dominates the other, yet that's about as even as a comparison as you can get when trying to argue these points. Tennessee definitely gets that five star every so often, but it's not bringing them any more fortune than Nebraska's three stars.

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