@50+yeartidefan, you've a knack for confusing the shit out of me.
You aren't the only one on here!!!
You aren't the only one on here!!!
Here's one of those confusing times...
You've left me thinking, "he's being sardonic to make a point."
Otherwise ... the statement begs to be questioned.
What do you know about Young? I'm a Mac fan, but good lord. Young taking the position by season's end is not a ridiculous suggestion.
Look at his yards, his TD's, in a system that is based a lot like what Sark runs...in arguably one the toughest high school seasons you'll find.
I believe it was over 4800 yards. I know it was just shy of 70 TD's. In a season. 'effin Matre Dei.
mando
Member
@TerryP this is one I agree with 50+ on. Not saying Young is not a stud and a future star but heck even Tua did not take the starting job until the 2nd half of the NC game. Comparing Hurts and Jones may be a stretch but I think Jones is going to do a great job. Either way I think we are in great shape at the QB position. No other program in the country can lose someone like Tua and say that.
Its good to be a bama fan... Roll Tide!!!
@mando, here's where all of this gets amusing.
"He's not taken snap." There's a key phrase you're hearing, and will continue to see, as we watch Young this spring.
You can't have "he's not taken a snap yet so it's ridiculous to think he might unseat Mac" when "he's not taken a snap yet that indicates he can't unseat Mac."
The possibility isn't ridiculous. To speak in absolutes like that? Ridiculous.
I've been on Mac's side to the point of emphasizing the hand he's holding this season and how it could play out
I'm also convinced Young is a special talent. A QB doesn't put up the numbers he has in that high school classification, against that type of schedule, without being a special talent.
And speaking of Tua ... based on where both players were coming out of high school Young is a notch above Tua. Their numbers are very similar in YPC and YPA although Young holds about a two TD edge in TD:INT.
Against A LOT tougher competition ...
"He's not taken snap." There's a key phrase you're hearing, and will continue to see, as we watch Young this spring.
You can't have "he's not taken a snap yet so it's ridiculous to think he might unseat Mac" when "he's not taken a snap yet that indicates he can't unseat Mac."
The possibility isn't ridiculous. To speak in absolutes like that? Ridiculous.
I've been on Mac's side to the point of emphasizing the hand he's holding this season and how it could play out
I'm also convinced Young is a special talent. A QB doesn't put up the numbers he has in that high school classification, against that type of schedule, without being a special talent.
And speaking of Tua ... based on where both players were coming out of high school Young is a notch above Tua. Their numbers are very similar in YPC and YPA although Young holds about a two TD edge in TD:INT.
Against A LOT tougher competition ...
TL:DROn this QB discussion...
I've come to the conclusion there are four different types of quarterbacks we're seeing today in this new offensive era a college football. What I find interesting is we've seen, at Bama, three of the four types in Saban's tenure. The fourth, we've seen Bama face, an improviser like Manziel or Mayfield.
Greg fits into the "Game Manager" role. The third, the "Pocket Passer," fits AJ perfectly. And then we've got the "Focal Point QB" which we've seen with Tua; which we've seen with several teams. I believe Young to be in that latter category; the focal point of the offense.
On these lines I also believe it's important to remember the QB's entering college today are far more mature/game ready than those as few as 10 years ago; arguably five to seven years ago. Young fits that grouping.
Lastly, an observation to consider...
Bama fans, and how Saban has handled the QB position, have been wrong, A LOT, the last few years.
The crowd that held on to the "never start a true frosh" saw that end with Jalen.
Those ready to crown Tua and send Jalen on his way were cautioned, "don't count out Jalen." We saw that story up close and personally, didn't we?
Now we're getting "I don't buy Young because he's never taken a snap" from a group that, literally, has never seen him take a snap.
In the QB world, at Alabama, if there's one absolute it's this, there are no absolutes.
50+yeartidefan
Member
@mando
Those 2 key phases
And earlier about the greatness of Mac
Goodness gracious!!!!!!!!
But credit given where credit earned!!
Big difference between college and high school. Any high school and any college( D1).....
Regardless of competition. Regardless period
All the guys in College have played HS (99.9%anyway). 10% of ur love MatreDe or whatever will play D-1 college. Same said for CF and NFL
Credit part-- Tua probably could have played as a starting CF QB No doubt in my mind
The Ds bama faced had figured JH out and he had become less effective But JH had just lead Bama to within seconds of a NC...But TUA was ( in ur words Terry) a generational talent ....like Namath was in 62( my words) but did not have to replace a previous starter..
Now the BUT..... NS wasny pulling the plug on JH. His KSAs were where he wanted his QB
I don't understand why TUA wasnt played vs AU in 17!!!!! Thats a good reason to believe Mac will hold on to starting QB job unless there is more 2 int in critical games .... or injury
Is Young or TT generational????
Think its a little early to slap such a tag on someone who "hasn't taken a snap" or shown the ability to read Ds or be a leader. Lot more to QBing then throwing a football ....
But.... dadghum I hope so!!!!!!
I hope by year end bama fans are saying. "Tua who"
mando
Member
@TerryP and @50+yeartidefan, just having this conversation emphasizes my point, no other program in college ball could lose someone like Tua and be in such great shape at that position. Saban is indeed the GOAT especially on he recruiting trail.
Roll Tide gentlemen...
Roll Tide gentlemen...
Your lack of familiarity with Young, his high school's program, and Mate Dei has led you to assume a lot here; incorrectly, and to a pretty big extent.
Back in 2011 when Alabama played LSU how many future NFL guys were there? It's in the mid-40's...out of two 85 man rosters. Recently, when Mater Dei played St. John Bosco, half of the players on the field held offers from FBS schools. (3 stars or better, one offer or more.) Literally, about the same number of guys "moving up" as you saw in '11, in the BCSNC, but from two smaller rosters. (In the regular season.)
What you're failing to recognize is there's a big difference between where Young played and where Tua played. Merely setting aside facts with "regardless of competition" fits in the ridiculous category: as a headliner.
Two way street, my friend. You're not giving Young credit where its been earned.
It's a bit ironic coming on the heels of suggesting Mac has a shot as one of the top three QB picks in next years draft ... credit given there.
From Watson to Lawrence and going into the era of DJ Uiagalelei ... Dabo is doing a good job with consistency in his QB room. Kelly Bryant was a pretty good QB in his system as well.
DJ Uiagalelei ... for references sake, was one of the kids on the field when Mater Dei played St. John Bosco in the game I reference earlier. Clemson's offense will run through him and he's good enough to be a day one guy ... if need arose.
Tidestalker
Member
I think headed into last season Tua was about as close to an absolute as anyone could get.... Even at Alabama.
The Mac/Bryce deal will get hairy on the old message boards, because... It should.
We have the top overall QB coming in with a great arm, athleticism, and character. Just so happens in 2020 that the QB position has never been more important in all aspects. But experience is always important, so there is reason for both optimism and concern.
We have a returning QB who torched 2 really good defenses for yards and TD's to end the season. Has some experience with the current OC and talent around him. But... Throwing 2 Pick 6's in a game matters (even if 1 is more the OC's fault). You can't win titles throwing Pick 6's. So there is reason for both optimism and concern.
Last year it was all optimism for Tua. Unfortunately his inability to stay healthy and the nightmare 2 minute drill practice session at Miss St. turned out to be a nasty scenario. On the other hand it cleared the way for Mac to get his feet wet... Which leaves us here.
QBs today, like @TerryP mentioned, they come out better prepared. They do the camp circuits, 7 v 7, get respected QB coaches to tutor them, etc. I was a QB coming out of HS and when I walked into the QB room at BAMA as a walk on, I had no clue as to most of what QB coach/ OC Homer Smith was talking about. I knew very little. Granted it was 30 years ago, but the HS game and coaching the QB position have changed. I had no clue about progressions, a route tree, Didn't know where the windows were in 2 deep versus 3 deep, 2 deep man, quarters coverage, etc.
With all of that said, I look forward to the competition this Spring. Mac will be the penciled in starter, but can he hold off Young? Saban fought that urge once and it almost bit him in the ass. Will he be quicker to pull the trigger, should Mac struggle? Young is a talent!! Playing in perhaps the toughest classification and schedules in HS, he faced stiffer competition than what Tua saw on the Island.
I hope they're able to redshirt Young. I know he was willing to take a 'shirt if Tua had returned. I believe we'll all agree the ideal depth chart runs Jones, Lia/Tyson with Young handling scout team duties.
I won't be shocked if we see two different types of depth charts this season with the second "in case of injury" as the asterisk. If you remember even though AJ took a redshirt year he was the #2 guy on the depth chart IF Greg would've been hurt. I can easily see a similar situation with Young keeping his 'shirt losing only it in case of injury.
Which leads us to a Lia/Tyson vs Young battle. Odds it's a 2a and 2b with Lia or Paul being #3 leaving spring camp?
Tidestalker
Member
That 4 game pillow makes such a difference. Bryce can play & still red shirt in a perfect world (If he doesn't win the job). It just helps these guys stay invested & locked in for the entire season, and hopefully helps keep the ones you want from transferring.
50+yeartidefan
Member
Well. Hallelujah. We r in agreement
Going to go buy some lottery tickets
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50+yeartidefan
Member
They r much better prepared. 100% in agreement. Absolutely!!!!!!
But so are DBs and safeties. They dont sit home playing video games while QBs get prepared!!!! ( actually...) linebackers run like the wind with there 240-260 lb bodies
The game is faster. The Ds are more complex
Maybe even coaching but I don't know that!!!
The players are even different. Values, mores, interests etc
But agree. Nick has ajusted to the new game and players. And i am confident as u pointed out the right decision will be made
Might even see some changes in pecking order outta spring. Drastic changes!!!!transfer portal stuff.....
50+yeartidefan
Member
We r so fortunate.... when 11-2 are failing years.....got some awesome talent returning
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