🏈 Wishbone for One Play

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I would like to see 'BAma do the wishbone for one series a game. Have Lacey, ingram, and Richardson as the formation. Julio, who is already a great run and pass blocker would be ideal as a receiving threat also, along with Maze.

It could be very potent and hard to stop. I can't think of a defense that could stop that setup if Alabama did it right.

McElroy would make a great option QB.

 

[JoshB]

lol no McElroy wouldnt be a good option QB, Star would be. I wouldnt mind seeing more Wild Tide with Ingram and Richardson together in the backfield. No McElroy on the field.

 

[LBS]

Having not seen the Wish Bone in decades, one has to ask; have we not seen the Wish Bone because using it has not occured to all the coaches in football, or because something is now different and the Wish Bone is no the best to use. I submit it is the latter.

Wish Bone is a running formation, drawing inside and massing a team's power emphasizing 11 vs. 11. Today, with parity in football, any team's 11 can play close with another's 11. This means that the advantage of the Wish Bone are greatly reduced relative to the days of Coach Bryant and unlimitied scholarships.

The emphasis is placed on depth of roster, as evidenced by Coach Saban's comment saying that Championships are determined by the strenghth of the Rosters last 40 (members), or something of that spirit. So what does that mean to a choice of formations? It means that assuming that each side's best 10 play even, the team with the best number 11 on the field wins the play. So to help number 11, an OC spreads the field giving them as much room to get open and as much distance as possible from defensive pursuit. The Wish Bone plays to the strength of an inferior Defense by making the play a fight in a phonebooth.

Also, the achilles heel of the Wish Bone has always been that one simply can not score quickly. If you were to fall behind, you're done. This too runs counter to the desire for what Coach Saban calls "Explosive Plays".

The time for the Wish Bone is simple three decade in the rear view mirror. Right now, more than any other time during that span, we have to luxury of sitting back an breathing easy knowing that the driver of this race car of a bus is heading in the right direction and is once again leading the Pole (and "Poll").

:a:'right?

 

[BamaHubMan]

I also think that the wishbone has to be automatic for the backfield, they can't think their way through the play they need to just be able to do it. This takes hours of dedicated practice. Unlike the wildcat which I think you can be effective without as much practice. So teams cant put the time in the wishbone to make it work especially when you are going to use for a couple of plays a game.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>
I also think that the wishbone is most effective over time. Since it is an option style offensive you have to run one part till the defense is set on stopping the dive or the QB around end to make the other option work. One play sets the others up.

 

[Big_Fan]

lol no McElroy wouldnt be a good option QB, Star would be. I wouldnt mind seeing more Wild Tide with Ingram and Richardson together in the backfield. No McElroy on the field.

Nope. Star is a pro style QB. GMac is more dual threat.

You probably thought Zow was a better runner than Watts too.

 

[psychojoe]

In its day at Bama the 'bone was surprisingly explosive. For one thing it meant that your receivers were always single covered. We paraded some pretty good passing quarterbacks in the seventies that ran the offense well, but were also high quality passers (think Richard Todd, Jeff Rutledge). Bryant's idea was generally to throw when you wanted to, not when you had to.

The triple option, the bread and butter play of the wishbone, lost a lot of its effectiveness when defenses learned to take away the dive and string out the keep or pitch until backside pursuit chased it down.

The triple option can still be effective, but more as an element of surprise than a staple of the offense, although Georgia Tech still makes it work as their basic offense, as do the service academies.

 

[ExiledTidefan]

As we all know, with formations and offensive philosophies, you have to recruit the best guys to do the job. So, just changing ideologies mid-stream doesn't happen much. Take a look at Auburn in 08, when they started the year trying to implement the spread, and tried to revert back when it blew up. This was due to the wrong players (and poor leadership).

 

[JoshB]

Nope. Star is a pro style QB. GMac is more dual threat.

You probably thought Zow was a better runner than Watts too.

Dont even try to throw the black-white crap at me. It has absolutely nothing to do with that and everything to do with what in the hell I've seen with my own two damn eyes. I don't care what Star's Rivals profile says. The guy is athletic as hell and if you have EVER seen him take off on a scramble then u would realize that. G-Mac does it when he HAS to, he is not a dual threat. JPW was more of a dual threat than G-Mac is.

 

[4th-and-1]

they should look at auburn's playbook when ronnie brown and carnel were on the field at the same time.. please don't kick me off the board for saying that.. BUT they really utilized both backs well..

 

[LBS]

In its day at Bama the 'bone was surprisingly explosive. For one thing it meant that your receivers were always single covered. We paraded some pretty good passing quarterbacks in the seventies that ran the offense well, but were also high quality passers (think Richard Todd, Jeff Rutledge). Bryant's idea was generally to throw when you wanted to, not when you had to.

The triple option, the bread and butter play of the wishbone, lost a lot of its effectiveness when defenses learned to take away the dive and string out the keep or pitch until backside pursuit chased it down.

The triple option can still be effective, but more as an element of surprise than a staple of the offense, although Georgia Tech still makes it work as their basic offense, as do the service academies.

If it were all that and a side of fries, the Multi-Million Dollar Coaches of today would be all over it, and yet aside from Georgia Tech or Air Force or Nevada, it is essentially universally shunned today. Mass wisdom, or mass stupidity?

 

[Big_Fan]

Dont even try to throw the black-white crap at me. It has absolutely nothing to do with that and everything to do with what in the hell I've seen with my own two damn eyes. I don't care what Star's Rivals profile says. The guy is athletic as hell and if you have EVER seen him take off on a scramble then u would realize that. G-Mac does it when he HAS to, he is not a dual threat. JPW was more of a dual threat than G-Mac is.

Fallacy of assertion.

 

[psychojoe]

If it were all that and a side of fries, the Multi-Million Dollar Coaches of today would be all over it, and yet aside from Georgia Tech or Air Force or Nevada, it is essentially universally shunned today. Mass wisdom, or mass stupidity?

As you well know fads come and go in offenses. The schools that run it now have some success because most of their opponents don't see it but once a year, and it requires a different defense than the spreads or pro sets which most schools run. To be most effective it requires an athletic quarterback who can run the ball and also make quick reads and decisions based on how the defense reacts to each part of the triple option. (Steadman Shealey was the prototype wishbone quarterback to me.) If this qb is not also an effective passer the offense doesn't fare very well when you are behind and need quick scores. Such qbs (who can run, read and pass effectively) are rare animals, which is the reason the offense has gone out of fashion. There are a lot more qbs who can sit in thepocket and read a coverage but can't do the other things a triple option qb has to do.

 

[JoshB]

Fallacy of assertion.

oh yea great argument.

 

[Big_Fan]

oh yea great argument.

No reason to argue with a logical fallacy. "Because I said so" does not merit an argument, and you believe that JPW was more a dual threat than GMac. You already threw out their past stats, achievements, and evaluations, as being inferior to your own opinion and assertions. Going any further with you really isn't worth the time.

 

[JoshB]

No reason to argue with a logical fallacy. "Because I said so" does not merit an argument, and you believe that JPW was more a dual threat than GMac. You already threw out their past stats, achievements, and evaluations, as being inferior to your own opinion and assertions. Going any further with you really isn't worth the time.

I haven't thrown anything out and I said my own two eyes is what tells me what I said. If you cant see that Star Jackson is far more athletic than McElroy then I dont know what to tell you. Maybe you need ur eyes checked. *shrug*

You want stats, how bout JPW has had more rushing yards than G-Mac despite being sacked more? Neither one are Michael Vick but JPW could scramble alot more than G-Mac. G-Mac has had some good runs to be as slow as he is but this argument that Star Jackson isn't more atlehtlic is just ridiculous. Your entire wonderful argument was based around "Star is a pro-style QB". Yea thats what his scouting report said, but guess what so was McElroy's lmao despite Greg never going over 200 yards rushing in high school and Star having over 400 yards in one season rushing as a junior in high school, Greg was the better dual threat QB. u still wanna argue this retarded point?

 

[Big_Fan]

I haven't thrown anything out and I said my own two eyes is what tells me what I said. If you cant see that Star Jackson is far more athletic than McElroy then I dont know what to tell you. Maybe you need ur eyes checked. *shrug*

You want stats, how bout JPW has had more rushing yards than G-Mac despite being sacked more? Neither one are Michael Vick but JPW could scramble alot more than G-Mac. G-Mac has had some good runs to be as slow as he is but this argument that Star Jackson isn't more atlehtlic is just ridiculous. Your entire wonderful argument was based around "Star is a pro-style QB". Yea thats what his scouting report said, but guess what so was McElroy's lmao despite Greg never going over 200 yards rushing in high school and Star having over 400 yards in one season rushing as a junior in high school, Greg was the better dual threat QB. u still wanna argue this retarded point?

Again, no point in arguing a "retarded point" with you, you are doing just fine on your own. While there are multiple problems in your post, I will stick with just this one: Greg had 700 yards rushing his senior season in HS.

 

[Big_Fan]

I watched the SECCG again last night. GMac had a couple of really pretty runs in that game. The tightrope down the sidelines was amazing, and the backbreaker in the readzone where he cut back against the grain was runningback-like.

 

[LBS]

[I should know better, but] Let me throw in my two sense about having GMac running the Option. D.C.s lay in bed at night praying that we do something like this. With the RBs we have, should one get hurt, we are still a formatible threat with bpth the run and the pass. Should we lose out QB, our passing game is no longer feared (until proven otherwise again) meaning that the running game is clamped down on. Losing GMac would minimize our WRs and handicap our RBs. The Wishbone creates a scheme that gives the defense the choice as to who is tackled, as the defense must choose to cover the Dive Man, the QB, or the RB.

What team on our schedule would not want to rest their chances on pound our QB 20-30-40 times a game in the SEC. Which of our QBs is going to survive that, cause I don't recall him being signed yet.

 

[BamaJay73]

I watched the SECCG again last night. GMac had a couple of really pretty runs in that game. The tightrope down the sidelines was amazing, and the backbreaker in the readzone where he cut back against the grain was runningback-like.

He had several run plays in the Va. Tech game too. Maybe he like running around in ATL?

 

[Big_Fan]

[I should know better, but] Let me throw in my two sense about having GMac running the Option. D.C.s lay in bed at night praying that we do something like this. With the RBs we have, should one get hurt, we are still a formatible threat with bpth the run and the pass. Should we lose out QB, our passing game is no longer feared (until proven otherwise again) meaning that the running game is clamped down on. Losing GMac would minimize our WRs and handicap our RBs. The Wishbone creates a scheme that gives the defense the choice as to who is tackled, as the defense must choose to cover the Dive Man, the QB, or the RB.

What team on our schedule would not want to rest their chances on pound our QB 20-30-40 times a game in the SEC. Which of our QBs is going to survive that, cause I don't recall him being signed yet.

I agree with you...I don't think Greg should run the option...my only argument was that Star is not a better runner. We do have a couple of former QB's playing other positions that could run circles around either. If we did something like wishbone for a play, they would be the ones to run it.