Update...49ers Reuben Foster talks about offseason court case (suspended 2 games)

[TerryP]

The AR-15 IS an assault weapon, as described by the assault weapons ban (which pretty much invented the term to describe certain kinds of semi-auto guns).

Contentious, and ambiguous statement here. It similar to saying "all progressives are pro-abortion."

 

[alagator]

The AR-15 IS an assault weapon, as described by the assault weapons ban (which pretty much invented the term to describe certain kinds of semi-auto guns).

Contentious, and ambiguous statement here. It similar to saying "all progressives are pro-abortion."

I had one in my hands within the last week that was not an "assault weapon." Not even close. The model itself isn't. Now, they can be modified but that's a different story and one that's left untold.

 

[UAgrad93]

California's "assault weapons ban" is extremely broad stroked to catch anything and everything. The Glock 22 .40 caliber is a prime example. New in the box from the factory, it comes with 2 15 round capacity mags or clips. By their law, any owner moving to Cali and owning said weapon is facing 2 felonies!!

 

[scottyhk]

Will Lowery's quote "Can assure you its 100% the former. The support system in place is as remarkable as the rest of what Saban‘s built. Its close to a military academy..many players’ entire days are scheduled from early wakeup to tutors after dinner. Some struggle once they leave that.See Ro McClain"

is what has bothered me about the tremendous structure at Bama, specifically they're under such a tight schedule and are told exactly what to do all the time they don't develop the independence a typical college student might during their time in school. Kids who didn't have good structure before coming to Bama may not develop in that environment.

:agree:
In my learning about child development, neuroscience, and the development of the "moral sense," this too has bothered me. I'm afraid we will look back as a society at big time college football in the modern era, and we will notice that as the revenues rose, so too did the ability of programs to isolate and harness athleticism and aggression for college profit at the detriment of adult failure later in life.

To call a system of rigid rules and pre-planned itineraries, "player development," is deceiving. Try "PROGRAM development." Humans don't develop in tyranny. They develop by making choices over and over again and facing the consequences, good and bad. In micromanaged environments, the ability to discern between a wise choice and an unwise choice atrophies. Plus, add to this the fact that football is such a reactive sport, where you are literally drilled to respond to stimuli without rational contemplation.

Man, I guess military members, especially those with 20+ years of service are all stunted in their "development". No matter how rigid the environment...freedom to choose is always there. It may be limited to a degree, but freedom of choice is never taken away (even in prison).

 

[TUSKtimes]

In my learning about child development, neuroscience, and the development of the "moral sense," this too has bothered me. I'm afraid we will look back as a society at big time college football in the modern era, and we will notice that as the revenues rose, so too did the ability of programs to isolate and harness athleticism and aggression for college profit at the detriment of adult failure later in life.

To call a system of rigid rules and pre-planned itineraries, "player development," is deceiving. Try "PROGRAM development." Humans don't develop in tyranny. They develop by making choices over and over again and facing the consequences, good and bad. In micromanaged environments, the ability to discern between a wise choice and an unwise choice atrophies. Plus, add to this the fact that football is such a reactive sport, where you are literally drilled to respond to stimuli without rational contemplation.

It's hard to imagine the perfect structure in today's world as if one size would fit all. Society as a whole appears to have lost its way as family life keeps reinventing itself almost daily. From Dear Abby to Dr. Spock, our culture has always been determined to make themselves guinea pigs to personal philosophy and hearsay. At the end of the day, a lot of that scientific/personal propaganda ends up getting retracted by its authors because it doesn't work.

And as complicated as it gets at times, one thing will still be true, you ain't gonna save them all.

 

[JoshB]

The AR-15 IS an assault weapon, as described by the assault weapons ban (which pretty much invented the term to describe certain kinds of semi-auto guns).

Contentious, and ambiguous statement here. It similar to saying "all progressives are pro-abortion."

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. It really baffles me how so many seem to not be able to grasp the difference between an assault weapon and assault rifle.

The AR-15 IS an assault weapon, as described by the assault weapons ban (which pretty much invented the term to describe certain kinds of semi-auto guns).

Contentious, and ambiguous statement here. It similar to saying "all progressives are pro-abortion."

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. Saying the AR-15 is an assault weapons ban because the law says it is,

The AR-15 IS an assault weapon, as described by the assault weapons ban (which pretty much invented the term to describe certain kinds of semi-auto guns).

Contentious, and ambiguous statement here. It similar to saying "all progressives are pro-abortion."

I had one in my hands within the last week that was not an "assault weapon." Not even close. The model itself isn't. Now, they can be modified but that's a different story and one that's left untold.

Again... for the 900th time... an assault WEAPON is different than an assault RIFLE. That was literally the entire point of them differentiating the two when the law was passed.

 

[TerryP]

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. It really baffles me how so many seem to not be able to grasp the difference between an assault weapon and assault rifle.

I make the comparison because it is not true that every progressive is anti-abortion.
On the same note, not every AR-15 fits your description.

Again... for the 900th time... an assault WEAPON is different than an assault RIFLE.

A single shot rifle is neither. Are there models of an AR-15 that are single shot? And, by single shot, I mean one pull of the trigger and one bullet is released? Gonna "bolt" this?

 

[JoshB]

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. It really baffles me how so many seem to not be able to grasp the difference between an assault weapon and assault rifle.

I make the comparison because it is not true that every progressive is anti-abortion.
On the same note, not every AR-15 fits your description.

Again... for the 900th time... an assault WEAPON is different than an assault RIFLE.

A single shot rifle is neither. Are there models of an AR-15 that are single shot? And, by single shot, I mean one pull of the trigger and one bullet is released? Gonna "bolt" this?

Holy cow, by single shot, meaning one single pull of the trigger and one bullet comes out is a semi-automatic gun. Assault WEAPONS are the designation placed for SEMI-automatic guns that also fit two or more other descriptions. How is this not being understood?

Assault WEAPON (fits two or more of these descriptions):
semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting detachable magazines.
Has a folding or telescoping (collapsable) stock.
Has a pistol grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."
Has a bayonet lug that allows for a bayonet to be mounted.
Has a threaded barrel that can accept flash suppressors, muzzle suppressors, muzzle brakes, etc.
Has a grenade launcher.
Has a barrel shroud.

That is literally straight from the assault weapons ban.

Assault RIFLE is a rapid fire FULLY AUTOMATIC rifle, IE the M16 which is the automatic version of the AR15.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Will Lowery's quote "Can assure you its 100% the former. The support system in place is as remarkable as the rest of what Saban‘s built. Its close to a military academy..many players’ entire days are scheduled from early wakeup to tutors after dinner. Some struggle once they leave that.See Ro McClain"

is what has bothered me about the tremendous structure at Bama, specifically they're under such a tight schedule and are told exactly what to do all the time they don't develop the independence a typical college student might during their time in school. Kids who didn't have good structure before coming to Bama may not develop in that environment.

Agree 100%.

I've studied student development theory and that much stifling structure can stunt the maturation process. We have kids coming out of college as the same kids instead of as adults.

Yet we wonder why there's so many kids who have no idea how to take care of themselves and who need hand holding. It starts with parents, coaches, etc.

 

[ElephantStomp]

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. It really baffles me how so many seem to not be able to grasp the difference between an assault weapon and assault rifle.

I make the comparison because it is not true that every progressive is anti-abortion.
On the same note, not every AR-15 fits your description.

Again... for the 900th time... an assault WEAPON is different than an assault RIFLE.

A single shot rifle is neither. Are there models of an AR-15 that are single shot? And, by single shot, I mean one pull of the trigger and one bullet is released? Gonna "bolt" this?

Holy cow, by single shot, meaning one single pull of the trigger and one bullet comes out is a semi-automatic gun. Assault WEAPONS are the designation placed for SEMI-automatic guns that also fit two or more other descriptions. How is this not being understood?

Assault WEAPON (fits two or more of these descriptions):
semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting detachable magazines.
Has a folding or telescoping (collapsable) stock.
Has a pistol grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."
Has a bayonet lug that allows for a bayonet to be mounted.
Has a threaded barrel that can accept flash suppressors, muzzle suppressors, muzzle brakes, etc.
Has a grenade launcher.
Has a barrel shroud.

That is literally straight from the assault weapons ban.

Assault RIFLE is a rapid fire FULLY AUTOMATIC rifle, IE the M16 which is the automatic version of the AR15.

Their definition is cute and all, but it’s stupid. Pistol grips and collapsible stocks are after market for the most part. Yes, the AR-15 fits the detachable magazine and a threaded barrel, but shit there are some hunting rifles that do too. I have a shotgun that has a pistol grip and a threaded barrel, so by their definition my patrol shotgun and the one I have at home are assault weapons.

 

[TerryP]

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. It really baffles me how so many seem to not be able to grasp the difference between an assault weapon and assault rifle.

I make the comparison because it is not true that every progressive is anti-abortion.
On the same note, not every AR-15 fits your description.

Again... for the 900th time... an assault WEAPON is different than an assault RIFLE.

A single shot rifle is neither. Are there models of an AR-15 that are single shot? And, by single shot, I mean one pull of the trigger and one bullet is released? Gonna "bolt" this?

Holy cow, by single shot, meaning one single pull of the trigger and one bullet comes out is a semi-automatic gun. Assault WEAPONS are the designation placed for SEMI-automatic guns that also fit two or more other descriptions. How is this not being understood?

Assault WEAPON (fits two or more of these descriptions):
semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting detachable magazines.
Has a folding or telescoping (collapsable) stock.
Has a pistol grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."
Has a bayonet lug that allows for a bayonet to be mounted.
Has a threaded barrel that can accept flash suppressors, muzzle suppressors, muzzle brakes, etc.
Has a grenade launcher.
Has a barrel shroud.

That is literally straight from the assault weapons ban.

Assault RIFLE is a rapid fire FULLY AUTOMATIC rifle, IE the M16 which is the automatic version of the AR15.

Which just goes back the my original point. You made a statement about AR-15's that wasn't accurate. I chose to play it off with the progressive jab...but you missed it.

This is an AR 15 and it's not an assault weapon. Here's the ambiguous description of your comment earlier defined ... and the contentious part is what's happening right now.

 

[PhillyGirl]

Remember when this thread was about Rueben Foster? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[UAgrad93]

By California law and the assault weapons ban, any handgun that holds more than 10 rounds in the magazine falls into that category. My Glock 22 .40 caliber holds 15+ 1 in the pipe, straight from the factory!!! No modifications!!! That is asinine for it to be included in the ban!!!!

 

[UAgrad93]

Remember when this thread was about Rueben Foster? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I think we all came to the agreement that Rueben is a dumbass and made a dumbass decision.

 

[footballer]

In my itty bitty weak mind, any firearm can be and are used regularly as assault weapons, from any sidearm, shotgun or rifle. I don't know for sure 100%, but I believe AR15 is a rifle if it has rifleing inside the barrel. Semi automatic rifles that use center fire cartridges, used mainly for bigger game such as deer, usually hold 5 shells, 4 in the magazine and 1 chambered. I believe there are hunting regulations about how many shells a gun will hold, and this includes shotguns. Rim fire rifles such as the 22 calibre, normally used for varmit and small game hunting can be single shot bolt action or semi automatic and their magazines will hold numerous bullets. The AR15 are produced and sold to the public for sport shooting and target practice. But as we all know, some shit for brains, mentally deficient numb nuts use these weapons to kill other people. Their weapon of choice because of their detachable magazines which can hold many cartridges and can be quickly removed and replaced with another one fully loaded. Our feeble minded, do little law makers who are idle way more than they "work", come up with their own definitions of what is is, make new laws, rules and regulations to satisfy the weak minded people who squak the loudest. Ban the AR15 and similar rifles? Dylan Roof went into a church in SC, I believe, and killed 7 or 8 people before he decided to leave. He used a side arm. He could have just as easily gone into a school or any place with more people, with several clips and killed many, many people. Yeah, many state laws and federal laws are made by short sighted elected officials who pander to close minded, short minded loud mouths.

 

[Go4Bama]

How in the world can you start to compare the two? An assault weapon is what the assault weapon ban in the 90's described it as, which an AR-15 is... Your example made no sense. It really baffles me how so many seem to not be able to grasp the difference between an assault weapon and assault rifle.

I make the comparison because it is not true that every progressive is anti-abortion.
On the same note, not every AR-15 fits your description.

Again... for the 900th time... an assault WEAPON is different than an assault RIFLE.

A single shot rifle is neither. Are there models of an AR-15 that are single shot? And, by single shot, I mean one pull of the trigger and one bullet is released? Gonna "bolt" this?

Holy cow, by single shot, meaning one single pull of the trigger and one bullet comes out is a semi-automatic gun. Assault WEAPONS are the designation placed for SEMI-automatic guns that also fit two or more other descriptions. How is this not being understood?

Assault WEAPON (fits two or more of these descriptions):
semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting detachable magazines.
Has a folding or telescoping (collapsable) stock.
Has a pistol grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon."
Has a bayonet lug that allows for a bayonet to be mounted.
Has a threaded barrel that can accept flash suppressors, muzzle suppressors, muzzle brakes, etc.
Has a grenade launcher.
Has a barrel shroud.

That is literally straight from the assault weapons ban.

Assault RIFLE is a rapid fire FULLY AUTOMATIC rifle, IE the M16 which is the automatic version of the AR15.

Not all M-16s are “fully” automatic.

 

[TheChief]

Does anyone here have your carry permit in Alabama? I have my carry here in Tennessee, and renewed it for lifetime a couple of years ago. If I were to move, would I start over to be certified in Alabama?

 

[BAMAneck]

I have my permit in BAMA . I just looked and the interwebbings says BAMA and Tennessee recognizes each other’s license.

 

[TheChief]

I have my permit in BAMA . I just looked and the interwebbings says BAMA and Tennessee recognizes each other’s license.

Thanks.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I have my permit in BAMA . I just looked and the interwebbings says BAMA and Tennessee recognizes each other’s license.

Just as a precaution, make sure that your Tennessee permit remains effective once you become a permanent resident of another state. For example, Alabama recognizes your TN carry now because you can show them a TN drivers license to indicate you're a TN resident. When you move to Alabama, let's say you find yourself in a situation and you produce your new AL DL and a TN carry permit. It's possible that might present an issue.

RTR,

Tim