🏈 Tosh more likely to follow Kirby than Cochoran

[ComeOnSon]

Didn't Tosh do the GA thing because Washington was paying him a settlement thus any money Bama paid would deducted from that pay. Tosh was out recruiting yesterday so makes no sense if Nick thought he were leaving. UGA has to retain JP or fired him and until that is done then he will not be at Bama due to money he will be owed. The lawyers will have to handle.

This. Pics of him all over Twitter with recruits. No, I don't follow recruits on Twitter. Just saw some RT's.

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Maybe a bad source for the guy who tweeted that, in the OP.

But maybe this means we can be assured that Tosh AND Cochoran are both staying.

Roll Tide.

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[Snout Spout]

In my original post I said he was a "GA or Defensive Staffer". That is accurate.

You can call it an "analyst", Saban called it an "Intern". Bottom line is, he was on the staff but now allowed to coach on the field. That's just a fact - No need to get defensive.
'Intern' Lupoi latest high-profile UA staffer


Yes I think that's a big jump at Alabama, going from being an intern to a DC in 2 years. Obviously you disagree. I've not mentioned one word about prior experience and have not disagreed that he has it. At Alabama, Intern to DC in 2 years seems unlikely to me.

We're both on record. We'll see what happens. I don't think Saban is a dullard if he hires Tucker though.

Kevin Steele went from DPP at Bama to DC at LSU in two years.

 

[TerryP]

Bottom line is, he was on the staff but now allowed to coach on the field.

You're right, with a caveat. Tosh was allowed to coach on practice fields, but he wasn't considered a "game-day" coach (NCAA limit of nine.)

There's a difference in an "intern" position and that of a GA: compensation, having to take classes, etc.

A lot are crediting Bo Davis with the improvement in pass rush. Tosh deserves a lot of credit on tis as well.

This. Pics of him all over Twitter with recruits. No, I don't follow recruits on Twitter. Just saw some RT's.

I find it a little funny seeing everyone talking about seeing Tosh with recruits but no one is mentioning NOT seeing Tucker or seeing Kiffin on the recruiting trail.

 

[Tidestalker]

You're right, with a caveat. Tosh was allowed to coach on practice fields, but he wasn't considered a "game-day" coach (NCAA limit of nine.)

There's a difference in an "intern" position and that of a GA: compensation, having to take classes, etc.

A lot are crediting Bo Davis with the improvement in pass rush. Tosh deserves a lot of credit on tis as well.


I find it a little funny seeing everyone talking about seeing Tosh with recruits but no one is mentioning NOT seeing Tucker or seeing Kiffin on the recruiting trail.

I don't believe Tosh was allowed to coach in practice that year. I think he and the other "support staffers" are limited to off field duties. (Unless considered an "undergraduate coach" as noted below, which I don't believe he was.)

However, 2 Grad assistants are allowed to coach on the field according to the source I've seen. At least according to this article I found (may or may not be completely accurate)

NCAA rules specify how many types of coaches are allowed in a football program

11.7.2 Football Bowl Subdivision - There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches and two graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football.
11.7.2.1 Exceptions to Number Limits FBS - No individual other than coaches designated to fill the coaching categories set forth in Bylaw 11.7.2 may participate in any manner in the coaching of the intercollegiate team of a member institution during any football game, practice or other organized activity, with the following exceptions:
11.7.2.1.1 Weight or Strength Coach FBS - A weight (strength and conditioning) coach may conduct flexibility, warm-up and physical conditioning activities prior to any game and prior to or during any practice or other organized activities without being included in the limitations on number of coaches.
11.7.2.1.2 Undergraduate Coach FBS - The limits on the number of coaches in this section do not apply to undergraduate coaches.

In Division 1 basketball, every staff has a "director of operations". He's usually about the 3d or 4th assistant. He's not supposed to have any on floor coaching abilities in practice... Just handles off floor stuff. I've always thought that was ridiculous, but I guess it evens out the playing field for smaller schools if there's a limit of on field coaches.

 

[ComeOnSon]

You're right, with a caveat. Tosh was allowed to coach on practice fields, but he wasn't considered a "game-day" coach (NCAA limit of nine.)

There's a difference in an "intern" position and that of a GA: compensation, having to take classes, etc.

A lot are crediting Bo Davis with the improvement in pass rush. Tosh deserves a lot of credit on tis as well.


I find it a little funny seeing everyone talking about seeing Tosh with recruits but no one is mentioning NOT seeing Tucker or seeing Kiffin on the recruiting trail.

I did see one pic that Bone (I think) RT'd of Tucker with a recruit but no Kiffin.

 

[BamaCore]

I find it a little funny seeing everyone talking about seeing Tosh with recruits but no one is mentioning NOT seeing Tucker or seeing Kiffin on the recruiting trail.

According to 24/7 Tucker visited with Nigel Warrior and Deangelo Gibbs yesterday. Kiffin was at Tampa Catholic on Tuesday visiting Craig-Myers and yesterday visited Isaac Nauta and Patterson at IMG.

 

[UAgrad93]

I don't believe Tosh was allowed to coach in practice that year. I think he and the other "support staffers" are limited to off field duties. (Unless considered an "undergraduate coach" as noted below, which I don't believe he was.)

However, 2 Grad assistants are allowed to coach on the field according to the source I've seen. At least according to this article I found (may or may not be completely accurate)

NCAA rules specify how many types of coaches are allowed in a football program



In Division 1 basketball, every staff has a "director of operations". He's usually about the 3d or 4th assistant. He's not supposed to have any on floor coaching abilities in practice... Just handles off floor stuff. I've always thought that was ridiculous, but I guess it evens out the playing field for smaller schools if there's a limit of on field coaches.

Willie Carl Martin is in one of those positions that Tosh Lupoi held last season and has had it for 8-9 years now. He is on the field EVERYDAY in practice and is walking the sidelines on Saturday in "another capacity".

 

[TerryP]

I don't believe Tosh was allowed to coach in practice that year. I think he and the other "support staffers" are limited to off field duties. (Unless considered an "undergraduate coach" as noted below, which I don't believe he was.)

In the off-season workouts this past summer the "staff" (as in on the field, game coaches) spent 20 or so minutes before each 7 on 7 drill. In those meetings, the position coaches basically instructed the guys to work on specific areas that day. Those coaches weren't on the field during those workouts, but GA's and Interns were.

Two years ago, when Tosh was still an intern, he was also a part of their S&C training with several areas and did quite a bit of work with film study and the guys. He was "coaching," and quite frankly, pushing the line of what's legal with in the NCAA rules.

One of the most interesting drills/workouts that summer was in the NAT where Tosh and Davis were working with our DL and OLB's on technique. They were holding these drills in the water utilizing the resistance in the pools to train muscle memory. When I thought about, it makes perfect sense for a workout. It's easy to see the advantage taken "teaching" while "conditioning."

 

[Tidestalker]

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Willie Carl Martin is in one of those positions that Tosh Lupoi held last season and has had it for 8-9 years now. He is on the field EVERYDAY in practice and is walking the sidelines on Saturday in "another capacity".

I'm sure this is accurate. I'm just saying being "on the field" and coaching are 2 different things. Lots of ball boys, water boys, "organizers" to help out practices and clap hands. I'm quite confident interns aren't coaching up players in practice drills and talking over the position coach who's making a half a million bucks to do his thing

I agree with TerryP I'm sure Saban gets walks that line very closely. This is big business, everyone is looking for an edge somehow. But from what I've found, there's only so many coaches actually allowed to "Coach" in practices. To me that means actually teach and administering drills. Obviously there are other ways to contribute. JMO

 

[T&B]

Where to begin.

1. If Pruitt is such a cancer then why are his fingerprints all over the top defenses of the past four-five seasons ? If CNS can keep Lane Kiffin in check is there any doubt he can keep Pruitt in check ? Pruitt knows this defense, and more importantly he probably knows how to implement this defense "in game" as well as anyone that is available.

2. I AGREE I would rather have a young and upcoming coach similar to Kirby when CNS hired him for continuities sake. Lupoi seems to very much fit this description, but if Lupoi is heading to Athens or anywhere else Pruitt is not exactly a plan B. Again, I would prefer a Lupoi type, but if he is not ready or available then I dont see how anyone could really be butthurt about getting Pruitt. So what if he is a tool as long as he calls a helluva defensive game.

3. @Pink - @Tidestalker Pink, Tidestalker is no dullard. I must have missed the post where he came across that way, but I didnt see anything that would have brought the flames in this thread. I would like to see the two of you get along if thats not asking too much... you fellerz are two of my favorites going back to woolly. :nohomo:

4. Everyone needs to remember that Bama will recruit well no matter who the coaches are. Bama recruits itself. Look no further than the downward spiral we saw at a certain position under Lance Thompson, and the immediate improvement upon his being replaced. Obviously the best situation is to have a great coach that is also a great recruiter, but if it comes down to it I'll take a great coach over a great recruiter.

 

[UAgrad93]

I don't have an issue with Pruitt coming back. It seems though that no one else will be following Kirby to Athens though. I can recall on here that there once was a guy named Kiffin that coached at UT. We road his ass like a government mule too about being arrogant, smug, an asshole, dickhead, etc. After 2 years, we have heaped some praises on him for what he has done with Blake Sims, Amari Cooper, Jake Coker, Derrick Henry, Calvin Ridley, etc. He is OUR arrogant, smug, asshole, dickhead, etc. If Pruitt comes, he will be OUR arrogant douchebag that happens to be OUR DC. No doubt in my mind that Saban can tone down any attitude that he may be bringing with him. We have seen him do it with numerous coaches and players. You either GET RIGHT OR GET GONE!!

 

[riz]

Have y'all measured dicks yet?

 

[Mr. Pink]

Have y'all measured dicks yet?

I'm going to need someone to hold the magnifying glass for me

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[planomateo]

I'm going to need someone to hold the magnifying glass for me

And while they're down there...

 

[JoshB]

Better question is what the hell is a dullard? :headscratch:

 

[TerryP]

Better question is what the hell is a dullard? :headscratch:

Oaf's cousin. Child of dolt and ignoramus.

 

[riz]

I'm going to need someone to hold the magnifying glass for me

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same.

 

[Ump]

Today on wjox Wimp Sanders said he knew that Cochoran was staying at Bama so I think we can take him out of the "follows Smart to UGA" equation.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Today on wjox Wimp Sanders said he knew that Cochoran was staying at Bama so I think we can take him out of the "follows Smart to UGA" equation.

I thought it had already been discussed earlier, but UGA isn't willing to pony up the salary it would take to make him leave. He will essentially be making 2.5x what UGA would pay, and is also only a couple of years away from the state retirement plan.

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