🌎 This has the potential to be interesting. "President @realDonaldTrump signs an Executive Order to declassify the JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. files!"

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

This feels like Geraldo opening Capone's vault again.

 

[rick4bama]

This feels like Geraldo opening Capone's vault again.

Some then I will never get back! Times!

 

[24and7]

 

[24and7]

 

[alabama mike]

Long overdue on releasing the files.

 

[OldPlayer]

All it will do is eliminate the rumors and conspiracy theories. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Sirhan Sirhan acted alone. James Earl Ray acted alone. The only cover ups are to protect government employees who didn’t do what they were supposed to (but the truth was still uncovered).

 

[musso]

I shared this in another thread, but I figured it’s just as relevant in this thread. As we keep circling the drain of civilizational descent, we will find more and more disparate controversies share common “threads.”

 

[TerryP]

@musso a little surprised you posted a Tucker clip. Do you, and how often, take in The Rogan Experience?

I have a hard time with Tucker's delivery; his tone. (Tone, take literally.) Like some complain about hearing Beth Mowins for football, there's something that just doesn't sit right...unrelated, often, to the content.

 

[musso]

@musso a little surprised you posted a Tucker clip.

Why surprised? I’ve actually followed him rather closely since his ideological transition began while still on Fox, and evee more so since he was fired and joined X. As he moved toward my noninterventionist stance on foreign policy and publicly apologized for his pro-war advocacy post-9/11 (which he still does regularly to this day), I found myself moving toward his stance on cultural issues. As I’ve expressed to you before, I used to totally dismiss the Right’s culture war as a libertarian, but despite being an atheist I can freely admit how crucial it is to have a family-friendly culture and to allow the State (yes, government!) to promote family values while also not oppressing alternative lifestyles. So I see a little of myself in Tucker, even though others also influenced my change on social issues.

Do you, and how often, take in The Rogan Experience?

Sure, but less and less over the years. I’ve noticed as his podcast grew, the viewpoints expressed on his show became narrower, particularly on a few select topics. And what I loved about him in his early days was his sincere push back when he either didn’t agree with or understand what his guests claimed. He used to challenge his guests much more than he does now. And that doesn’t interest me.

I have a hard time with Tucker's delivery; his tone. (Tone, take literally.) Like some complain about hearing Beth Mowins for football, there's something that just doesn't sit right...unrelated, often, to the content.

I agree. But the older I get, the more it seems that those who are the easiest to hear are also often the same who fetch the highest paychecks to be heard. Conversely, those most difficult to listen to, either due to their tone, style, delivery or content, are less likely to be compromised and used as propagandists. For this reason, I’ve developed a tolerance for the most annoying speakers and intellectuals.

One of the rarest of exceptions to this pattern was Christopher Hitchens. I could listen to him for days, and while I often disagreed with his politics, I’m hard pressed to find a more cogent contemporary critic of religion and Zionism, but I repeat myself.

 

[musso]

So I see a little of myself in Tucker, even though others also influenced my change on social issues.

I meant to add in this part that the deep regret he has expressed for supporting our wars is identical to the deep regret I have for being almost a moral relativist, cultural agnostic, and simply indifferent about moral and social issues. His guilt really resonated with me and helped me embrace my own regret. It’s amazing how one person’s example can affect others.

 

[TerryP]

@musso The two times I listen to any media in these forms I'm either biking or working around the house. While some like a specific background music I'm particular about this: petty, I know. I'd much rather read a transcript.

I mention Rogan because I noticed he has another with Gad Saad; a guy I find intriguing. It's in queue for some spring yard work this afternoon. I'll probably check his guest list three times a month leaving me a week or so behind. (We're entering the softball season; some of the best podcasts produced cover the sport.)

You've never mentioned TC. That's the only reason it caught me off guard. Like Saad, I find him intriguing.

I get what you are saying about Hitchens. Does Patterson hit you the same?

 

[musso]

… Gad Saad; a guy I find intriguing.

Lol aaah, you know, for long enough I’ve resisted my gut suspicion of your message board tactics.

Does Patterson hit you the same?

Remind me, Patterson doesn’t ring a bell right now?

 

[TerryP]

Lol aaah, you know, for long enough I’ve resisted my gut suspicion of your message board tactics.

Do tell. I'm at a loss this afternoon.

Remind me, Patterson doesn’t ring a bell right now?

Jordan Patterson. He has a delivery style where I can sit and listen. That's not common for me.

 

[musso]

Do tell. I'm at a loss this afternoon.

Haha the coincidences are too numerous. You know what you’re doing. Of the hundreds of potential Rogan guests, you mention him.

Jordan Patterson.

Peterson. Not Patterson. Like Rogan, I enjoyed his earlier content more. And also like Rogan, with fame came a sudden atrophy of free speech on certain topics, despite a legacy of free speech advocacy.

Peterson tries to straddle the secular-religious line doing injustice to both. But I really appreciated his outspoken and bold defense of traditional gender norms against woke nonsense. Too bad he stopped following his own views and became an advocate of woke identity politics for one particular group.

 

[TerryP]

Haha the coincidences are too numerous. You know what you’re doing. Of the hundreds of potential Rogan guests, you mention him.

I mentioned him because he was on Rogan's show last week, maybe the week before. It's the reason he came to mind in this conversation.

I've listened to him before on different shows though I've never listened to his podcast. I've paid attention to some of his posts on X. What you may find odd is those posts I've noted had to do with his food choices and his dogs. I does have some interesting views on how the mind works.

You'd probably find his dissertation interesting. It's about the "stopping point" where people stop listening to other ideas/opinions/views because they think they have enough information already. I can't remember what he called the behavior.

Peterson. Not Patterson. Like Rogan, I enjoyed his earlier content more. And also like Rogan, with fame came a sudden atrophy of free speech advocacy over certain topics, despite a legacy of free speech advocacy.

Peterson tries to straddle the secular-religious line doing injustice to both. But I really appreciated his outspoken and bold defense of traditional gender norms against woke nonsense. Too bad he stopped following his own views and became an advocate of woke identity politics for one particular group.

I don't know where the heck I got Patterson! I know his name and haven't a clue why. None.

Though I was referencing his delivery style he's a lot like these others: agree with some, disagree with other things.

I haven't read any of his full works (like Saad) just excerpts here and there.

 

[24and7]

The truth is about to come out that LBJ had both Kennedys killed..

 

[musso]

The truth is about to come out that LBJ had both Kennedys killed..

I agree he was, at a minimum, informed of the plans, if not outright complicit in one way or another.

But he’s been gone a long time now. That’s not why they’ve kept the records sealed for so long. The clip I posted above has more to do with it.

You can connect LBJ’s immediate reversal of several JFK initiatives limiting Israel’s nuclear and territorial ambitions with LBJ’s treasonous handling of Israel’s sinking of the USS Liberty. Therein lies the reason for the perpetual secrecy.

 

[24and7]

I agree he was, at a minimum, informed of the plans, if not outright complicit in one way or another.

But he’s been gone a long time now. That’s not why they’ve kept the records sealed for so long. The clip I posted above has more to do with it.

You can connect LBJ’s immediate reversal of several JFK initiatives limiting Israel’s nuclear and territorial ambitions with LBJ’s treasonous handling of Israel’s sinking of the USS Liberty. Therein lies the reason for the perpetual secrecy.

Not to mention Lady Bird’s family was big weapons making contractors..Sea Land Corp and Bell Helicoptrrs..

 

[musso]

Not to mention Lady Bird’s family was big weapons making contractors..Sea Land Corp and Bell Helicoptrrs..

I’m not aware of that. Can you provide sources? Always eager to learn more about this tragedy.

To add to my earlier clip from Tucker’s show, here’s an editor of JFK’s letters discussing the Israeli factor: