🏈 The Tide and turnovers...

TerryP

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Here's one of those things we occasionally talk about, but something that hasn't been given a thread of its own.

How has the Tide done the last few years in terms of Interceptions thrown? How have we done in terms of fumbles?

The first one comes up quite a bit in conversations. I talk with people all the time who are real high on their QB's. Georgia fans are ecstatic, once again, about their quarterback Aaron Murray. I understand his talent, but don't consider him to be the best QB in the SEC.

Arkansas fans are just as boastful on their quarterbacks of late and to a degree rightfully so. Mallet and Wilson have consistently led the SEC in touchdowns thrown and total yards.

I judge a quarterback differently than most; at least it seems so. QB efficiency ranks as the first barometer, wins and losses the second. I could compare and contrast McElroy and McCarron with those two but that's not the point of this thread. I will use them as arbitrary examples in this case.

If you look at the 2011 squad, we had a total of eight interceptions thrown; five of those by McCarron (two in the first game alone.)

If we go back one more year we saw Greg close out his senior season with five interceptions as well. Combined our starting quarterbacks have combined for 10 interceptions over the last two years. That's 10 interceptions out of 638 attempts.

Over the same period Arkansas had 18 interceptions, Georgia had 14 in 2011 alone- 22 over the last two seasons.

Turnovers aren't limited to our quarterbacks but they are just as limited when we look at how our running backs have fared.

If we go back to the day when Mark Ingram started as our feature running back here's how those numbers break down. (courtesy of Gary Harris, TiderInsider)

Ingram finished with three fumbles total: two lost.
Richardson had seven fumbles in his time: one lost.
Lacy currently has three fumbles: two lost. (A lot like McCarron with those coming early in his career, one last year.)
Fowler has one fumble: one lost.

Did you do the math there? How many fumbles have we lost over the last several years?

Winning football comes down to fundamentals. One of the most important? Taking care of the football.

Hmmm. Another case of Alabama and game management, isn't it?
 
A good point to our defensive efficiency in the same period is the number of 3 and outs we get. Its not as gaudy a stat as sacks or turnovers, but a defense that gets itself off the field that qquickly not only does not wear down easily, it also provides the offense with consistently good field position. Terry do you have any numbers on that?
 
Not off the top of my head. :chargrined:

I could figure it out; and now I want to. Damn you!! :no-no:

I try to do that in the next few days. If the games today lose my interest I might start sooner than later.
 
Not off the top of my head. :chargrined:

I could figure it out; and now I want to. Damn you!! :no-no:

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This isn't a true three and out stat, but 3rd down conversion percentage for the defense is a fair proxy to determine full season performance. The amazing part of this stat is how much better Bama is than the other top teams. Bama is six percentage points better than number 5 OK yet it takes another 31 spots to move another six percentage points.

3rd Down Conversion Percentage Defense

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Last updated - January 17, 2012
Through games of January 10, 2012
[TABLE="width: 1"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #01375D, align: left"]RANK[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #01375D, align: left"]TEAM[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #01375D, align: left"]OPP 3RD DOWN ATT[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #01375D, align: left"]OPP 3RD DOWN CONV[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #01375D, align: left"]OPP 3RD DOWN PCT[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Alabama[/TD]
[TD]184[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]24.46[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Florida[/TD]
[TD]176[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]27.27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Georgia[/TD]
[TD]197[/TD]
[TD]57[/TD]
[TD]28.93[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Boise St.[/TD]
[TD]178[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]29.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Oklahoma[/TD]
[TD]197[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]30.46[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Stanford[/TD]
[TD]164[/TD]
[TD]51[/TD]
[TD]31.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Eastern Mich.[/TD]
[TD]159[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]31.45[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Rutgers[/TD]
[TD]184[/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]31.52[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]UCF[/TD]
[TD]168[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]31.55[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Louisiana Tech[/TD]
[TD]211[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]32.23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Virginia Tech[/TD]
[TD]192[/TD]
[TD]62[/TD]
[TD]32.29[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Connecticut[/TD]
[TD]172[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]32.56[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Cincinnati[/TD]
[TD]202[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]32.67[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Pittsburgh[/TD]
[TD]191[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]32.98[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Virginia[/TD]
[TD]192[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]33.33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Michigan St.[/TD]
[TD]199[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]33.67[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Texas[/TD]
[TD]184[/TD]
[TD]62[/TD]
[TD]33.70[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Temple[/TD]
[TD]180[/TD]
[TD]61[/TD]
[TD]33.89[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]LSU[/TD]
[TD]209[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]33.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Notre Dame[/TD]
[TD]184[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]34.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]Illinois[/TD]
[TD]185[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]34.59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]Kent St.[/TD]
[TD]173[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]34.68[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]Arizona St.[/TD]
[TD]172[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]34.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]Florida St.[/TD]
[TD]197[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]35.03[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]California[/TD]
[TD]179[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]35.20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]Arkansas St.[/TD]
[TD]210[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]35.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]South Carolina[/TD]
[TD]187[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]35.29[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]Utah St.[/TD]
[TD]195[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]35.38[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]Toledo[/TD]
[TD]178[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]35.39[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]Southern Miss.[/TD]
[TD]231[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]35.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]Western Ky.[/TD]
[TD]152[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]35.53[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]South Fla.[/TD]
[TD]197[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]35.53[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]West Virginia[/TD]
[TD]204[/TD]
[TD]73[/TD]
[TD]35.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]Nevada[/TD]
[TD]188[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]36.17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]FIU[/TD]
[TD]206[/TD]
[TD]75[/TD]
[TD]36.41[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]Michigan[/TD]
[TD]173[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]36.42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]37[/TD]
[TD]Iowa St.[/TD]
[TD]192[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]36.46[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]Mississippi St.[/TD]
[TD]211[/TD]
[TD]77[/TD]
[TD]36.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]Vanderbilt[/TD]
[TD]194[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]36.60[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]Arkansas[/TD]
[TD]196[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]36.73[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD]Bowling Green[/TD]
[TD]174[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]36.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]BYU[/TD]
[TD]181[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]37.02[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]Miami (OH)[/TD]
[TD]172[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]37.21[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]Houston[/TD]
[TD]224[/TD]
[TD]84[/TD]
[TD]37.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD]TCU[/TD]
[TD]192[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]37.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]Idaho[/TD]
[TD]175[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]37.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]Northern Ill.[/TD]
[TD]221[/TD]
[TD]84[/TD]
[TD]38.01[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]Marshall[/TD]
[TD]186[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]38.17[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: odd"]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]La.-Lafayette[/TD]
[TD]199[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]38.19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even, bgcolor: #EDEDED"]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]Wisconsin[/TD]
[TD]191[/TD]
[TD]73[/TD]
[TD]38.22[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]

 
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It'll take a few minutes to add it all up...but, I know where it is and have it. It's just a matter of compiling the numbers.

Crazy thing about last year.

We know the top defenses in the country were found here at Bama and down at LSU. But, when it comes to first downs allowed, do you know who was #2 in the country between Bama and LSU?

Of all people, Georgia. And, the Bulldogs allowed 70+ more first downs than we did last season.

And they have renewed hope for next year because of changes on the defensive side of the ball.
 
Good find. I would have thought that there would be a bigger correlation between this stat and W/L that this list reflects. obviously if Florida had anything resembling an offense last year they would have had a pretty decent season.
 
Good find. I would have thought that there would be a bigger correlation between this stat and W/L that this list reflects. obviously if Florida had anything resembling an offense last year they would have had a pretty decent season.

A lot don't realize how badly Florida sucked last. Out of their six wins, not a single team had a winning record.
 
[TABLE="class: team-statistics"]
<caption>Team Statistics</caption> <tbody>[TR]
[TH="class: statistic-name"][/TH]
[TH="class: team-stat"]Florida[/TH]
[TH="class: opponent-stat"]Opponents[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Scoring: Points/Game[/TD]
[TD]25.5[/TD]
[TD]20.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Scoring: Games - Points[/TD]
[TD]13 - 331[/TD]
[TD]13 - 264[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]First Downs: Total[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]222[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]219[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]First Downs: Rushing - Passing - By Penalty[/TD]
[TD]95 - 106 - 21[/TD]
[TD]101 - 90 - 28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Rushing: Yards / Attempt[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]3.96[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]3.40[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Rushing: Attempts - Yards - TD[/TD]
[TD]469 - 1859 - 17[/TD]
[TD]507 - 1725 - 16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Passing: Rating[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]125.53[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]117.81[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Passing: Yards[/TD]
[TD]2414[/TD]
[TD]2169[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Passing: Attempts - Completions - Interceptions - TD[/TD]
[TD]320 - 182 - 13 - 13[/TD]
[TD]341 - 186 - 8 - 15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Total Offense: Yards / Play[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]5.42[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]4.59[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Total Offense: Plays - Yards[/TD]
[TD]789 - 4273[/TD]
[TD]848 - 3894[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Punt Returns: Yards / Return[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]7.12[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]5.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Punt Returns: Returns - Yards - TD[/TD]
[TD]25 - 178 - 2[/TD]
[TD]18 - 99 - 0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Kickoff Returns: Yards / Return[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]24.19[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]21.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Kickoff Returns: Returns - Yards - TD[/TD]
[TD]47 - 1137 - 2[/TD]
[TD]61 - 1327 - 0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Punting: Yards / Punt[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]39.77[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]38.93[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Punting: Punts - Yards[/TD]
[TD]57 - 2267[/TD]
[TD]80 - 3114[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Interceptions: Returns - Yards - TD[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]8 - 148 - 2[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]13 - 244 - 2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Fumbles: Number - Lost[/TD]
[TD]28 - 13[/TD]
[TD]15 - 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Penalties: Number - Yards[/TD]
[TD]100 - 773[/TD]
[TD]90 - 740[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Time of Possession / Game[/TD]
[TD]28:18.69[/TD]
[TD]31:41.31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]3rd Down Conversions: Conversion %[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]32.08%[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]27.12%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]3rd Down Conversions: Attempts - Conversions[/TD]
[TD]159 - 51[/TD]
[TD]177 - 48[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]4th Down Conversions: Conversion %[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]54.55%[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]52%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]4th Down Conversions: Attempts - Conversions[/TD]
[TD]11 - 6[/TD]
[TD]25 - 13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Red Zone: Success %[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]86.49%[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]85%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Red Zone: Attempts - Scores[/TD]
[TD]37 - 32[/TD]
[TD]40 - 34[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]Field Goals: Success %[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]82.8%[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]55%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]Field Goals: Attempts - Made[/TD]
[TD]29 - 24[/TD]
[TD]20 - 11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]PAT Kicking: Success %[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]100%[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]96.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]PAT Kicking: Attempts - Made[/TD]
[TD]33 - 33[/TD]
[TD]32 - 31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: even-row"]
[TD="class: statistic-name row-group"]2-Point Conversions: Success %[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]25%[/TD]
[TD="class: row-group"]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: statistic-name"]2-Point Conversions: Attempts - Made[/TD]
[TD]4 - 1[/TD]
[TD]1 - 0[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 

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