📡 The SEC officially passed the UGA proposal/exception from last year that allows graduate transfers to move within the conference

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[TerryP]

Before everyone jumps for joy here I want you to consider something we've not talked about.

We see kids graduating with eligibility left around college football. We know how some programs conduct their business. Is it a safe assumption that we'll see schools try to slow down academic progress? I strongly suspect we'll see some do so.

And this is supposed to be "all good for the kids."

It's opening Pandora's box and it smells like dead fish from here.

 

[Tidestalker]

Before everyone jumps for joy here I want you to consider something we've not talked about.

We see kids graduating with eligibility left around college football. We know how some programs conduct their business. Is it a safe assumption that we'll see schools try to slow down academic progress? I strongly suspect we'll see some do so.

And this is supposed to be "all good for the kids."

It's opening Pandora's box and it smells like dead fish from here.

How so? Not letting kids enroll early? Going to impact schools like Alabama on the field who depend on a couple EE's every year to produce... Not to mention a recruiting chip for School B that wants him get on campus early.

To not take summer school? The more these kids are away from campus the less they're in the weight room, football facility, and more partying. Lots of good work gets done during summer school... 7 on 7's, building chemistry, etc. Would certainly impact the level of play in the Fall.

Less academic support? If you think SEC schools don't have enough ammo to negative recruit, wait until someone cuts that budget.

Doesn't make sense. The rule just puts the onus on the kid to graduate quicker if he wants to transfer... THAT'S A BAD THING? f he's not smart enough to figure out how to graduate in the fastest timeline, that's his problem.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

It will hurt depth more than anything for schools. If the player was good enough he would be starting and not looking to leave. Hell even with Nick Saban and staff recruiting at least 15% of the players signed each year never play a meaningful down. Glad to fixed the rule.

Lets see what happens in the future.

 

[TerryP]

How so? Not letting kids enroll early? Going to impact schools like Alabama on the field who depend on a couple EE's every year to produce... Not to mention a recruiting chip for School B that wants him get on campus early.

I've already seen more than two dozen Bama fans today mention they felt the staff needed to slow the kids progress rate. If we have Bama fans thinking that...you know damn well others are as well.

Kennedy graduated in three years. He's an anomaly. We see quite a few graduate in 3.5.

The normal kid takes roughly five years to get through college. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a way a kid is only taking 12 hours versus 15, or six versus nine over a summer term.

 

[Tidestalker]

It will hurt depth more than anything for schools. If the player was good enough he would be starting and not looking to leave. Hell even with Nick Saban and staff recruiting at least 15% of the players signed each year never play a meaningful down. Glad to fixed the rule.

Lets see what happens in the future.

IMO Bama would probably lose the "best" non-players in the nations.... Meaning our backups are better than the other backups who would leave (Brandon Kennedy a good example)

On the other hand, Bama would get the benefit if the best players who want to leave their school and transfer "up" to play for the best team possible.

My hope is that it's a wash for everyone... Who knows until we see it unfold

 

[Tidestalker]

How so? Not letting kids enroll early? Going to impact schools like Alabama on the field who depend on a couple EE's every year to produce... Not to mention a recruiting chip for School B that wants him get on campus early.

I've already seen more than two dozen Bama fans today mention they felt the staff needed to slow the kids progress rate. If we have Bama fans thinking that...you know damn well others are as well.

Kennedy graduated in three years. He's an anomaly. We see quite a few graduate in 3.5.

The normal kid takes roughly five years to get through college. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a way a kid is only taking 12 hours versus 15, or six versus nine over a summer term.

And the kid doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to use his full scholarship resources to get through quicker... Does he?

I just don't see this playing out without the stench of a bad reputation behind it.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Academic Presidents writing checks that their HC's will have to back.

Oh and if you're reading this Joab Thomas make note that you shet the bed by hiring Bill Curry.

 

[alagator]

@Tidestalker,

You realize they do not set their own class schedules, right?

 

[TerryP]

My hope is that it's a wash for everyone... Who knows until we see it unfold

It works out better for other schools than it does Bama right now.

You realize that what we're looking at is the Alabama program developing players that schools like Auburn and Tennessee couldn't so in essence Alabama is developing their players.

Dieter has his role, but wasn't an impact player. That's what I'm seeing for the Tide unless we're looking at them signing a guy that has two left (IE: Jake.)

 

[Tidestalker]

@Tidestalker,

You realize they do not set their own class schedules, right?

They have say in how many credits they want to take in a calendar year.... Otherwise how do you explain Brandon Kennedy graduating in 3?

Obviously the classes have to work around football but there are all kinds of ways to get through quicker or slower. Depends on the kids' motivation. Looks like BK was extremely motivated.

 

[Tidestalker]

My hope is that it's a wash for everyone... Who knows until we see it unfold

It works out better for other schools than it does Bama right now.

You realize that what we're looking at is the Alabama program developing players that schools like Auburn and Tennessee couldn't so in essence Alabama is developing their players.

Dieter has his role, but wasn't an impact player. That's what I'm seeing for the Tide unless we're looking at them signing a guy that has two left (IE: Jake.)

I tend to agree... BUT, there hasn't been this open invitation yet either. Better believe there will be a handful of very good players that are sick of losing on bad teams. Probably not as many as Bama will lose, but if Bama is losing backups then they shouldn't beat our starters anyway, right?

It's also incumbent on Saban to adjust now... Does he find ways to play more guys? How does he keep backups more happy? Or does he spend less and less time with guys knowing they will finish elsewhere. He's so good with these rule changes... I'm sure he will find a way to get some studs out of it.

 

[TerryP]

They have say in how many credits they want to take in a calendar year.... Otherwise how do you explain Brandon Kennedy graduating in 3?

There's no way for any of us to know how many credits he had when he first started college. He very well may have been a semester ahead the first day of class. I know of a kid here in town that's in his Jr year of school, his frosh year of eligibility.

The assertion they can take as many credits they want at any given time just doesn't hold true. If it did, why do you think the academic section of the athletic department has players taking less than a full load during the season? There are academic bookmarks required by NCAA bylaw. UA's system puts its players ahead of that system. If they wanted, they could change that.

What really goes against what you're asserting here goes back to a discussion on Bama Cuts, Reuben, and another conversation here and there. @It Takes Eleven mentioned it concerned him that the structure for these kids is so regimented they have a hard time with time management, etc., when they leave Tuscaloosa. We've seen players on those clips talk about how their lives are structured, down to the minute. Nothing about either of these statements fit with "they can take all they want." One of the former Bama players said that structure included sleep, eating, study, practice, work-outs, tutoring...it's literally a daily syllabus (monitored daily.)

Honestly, do you really thing UA is going to allow a kid to take 18 hours during the season when other are taking half of that amount and those who are taking more are at 12.

 

[Tidestalker]

They have say in how many credits they want to take in a calendar year.... Otherwise how do you explain Brandon Kennedy graduating in 3?

Honestly, do you really thing UA is going to allow a kid to take 18 hours during the season when other are taking half of that amount and those who are taking more are at 12.

If he's capable, absolutely. It would be a shame to hold a kid back. I think the staff has a great idea of which kids, especially non-freshman, are highly motivated in the classroom.

I do think certain kids take more or less credits. Depending on minors/majors, some courses aren't offered in both semesters, night classes, etc. Do you really believe they all are taking exactly 12 credits each semester? Kids change majors or pursue second degrees while in school all the time.

Regardless, you're assuming Saban and the staff are going to knowingly hold kids back from the current graduation rate. For a lot of reasons I don't see that. Especially with a current crop of kids who've been handled the way they have the last 1-2-3-4 years... They would have to be pretty deceptive to actually slow them down from graduating without someone raising a fuss. Seems like a minor issue to be raising... It's more about the rule you disagree with.

 

[TerryP]

Regardless, you're assuming Saban and the staff are going to knowingly hold kids back from the current graduation rate. For a lot of reasons I don't see that. Especially with a current crop of kids who've been handled the way they have the last 1-2-3-4 years... They would have to be pretty deceptive to actually slow them down from graduating without someone raising a fuss.

I never suggested Saban do such.

We see kids graduating with eligibility left around college football. We know how some programs conduct their business. Is it a safe assumption that we'll see schools try to slow down academic progress? I strongly suspect we'll see some do so.

 

[TerryP]

And by the way, the response to this rule is for schools to change the way their support systems work--if you don't want your recruits to leave early it a very logical path to follow. When these kids are being recruited it's easy to stress other things than graduating early. Don't bring up how quickly one can get credits in a redshirt year, etc.. Therein is my point, this whole "hurray for the players" is misplaced and we'll see the student aspect of student athlete go by the way side--because the "suits" think they're doing the right thing.

I can't believe how obvious of a response this is going to be and how many don't believe it'll happen.

 

[TerryP]

And by the way, the response to this rule is for schools to change the way their support systems work--if you don't want your recruits to leave early it a very logical path to follow. When these kids are being recruited it's easy to stress other things than graduating early. Don't bring up how quickly one can get credits in a redshirt year, etc.. Therein is my point, this whole "hurray for the players" is misplaced and we'll see the student aspect of student athlete go by the way side--because the "suits" think they're doing the right thing.

I can't believe how obvious of a response this is going to be and how many don't believe it'll happen.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Brandon Kennedy and this thing he has for the barn and the viles is writing his own legacy at Alabama. Being from Wetumpka, he would know that better than most. If he can live with that, so can I.

Overall we haven't lost much of an advantage in my opinion and we have stopped the bleeding everytime this comes up. I know coach Saban is tired of it. If they ever allow undergraduate transfers to leave without penalty than college football as we know it is over.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

If a kid is motivated in class room....then he has earned the right to make a change...and go where he better fits...Kennedy....well....whatever with him..
Sometime a player doesn’t like his position coach..hit the books and move on...