🧑‍🤝‍🧑 / 🏡 The new Food Pyramid released by the USDA.

[footballer]

The pyramid is just guidelines for people who don't seem to know what is healthy. But then, most of those people don't give a shit one way or the other.

 

[rick4bama]

The pyramid is just guidelines for people who don't seem to know what is healthy. But then, most of those people don't give a shit one way or the other.

That come after you eat what is on the list!!!!

 

[TerryP]

People don’t trust the NIH, you mean people on the right. Although you’re probably right because the left doesn’t trust anything this administration has their fingers on, but overall people not Trumpers trust science.

No. By no means do I mean " people on the right." I mean the population in general. You are an outlier on just about everything you comment upon. "Trumps science" is another example of your continuing fight against TDS. Six feet, masks, you can go to the casino but not church, don't get together for the holidays...none of that bullshit is "Trumps science."

Here let’s help with yours and I’s debates/arguments just to save time from this silly back and forth where you say I don’t know what I’m talking about and where you say I lose credibility blah blah blah, you disagree with everything and everybody that goes against this administration in any manner, just to save time.

Things I've not said nor insinuated. But go on and save...face? But dude. Look at what you just did.

In the first paragraph you actually did what you're saying I'm going to accuse you of in the second paragraph. You took a conversation about the NIH and made it about Trump. How is that NOT the definition of TDS?

Let's go with your theory that this is "right wing" distrust. That would mean the "left wing" puts its trust in people who make things up under the guise of science: literally, a choice to believe in psuedo science. You are suggesting the left trust the people who lied to them about the social distancing, lied about the masks, lied about transmission, and most importantly lied about the vaccines as they were attempting to mandate them (and did in some situations.)

These are the people you trust with health decisions and guidance?

But, I’m wondering if you read the article or just saw words you disagree with and decided to highlight them and say some shit? Because his ideas in regards to global warming, animal welfare, and human labor abuses are important, but again you don’t like the words and don’t agree with anything remotely to that, so it’s wrong and you’re right.

Please. I linked an article and made a comment on it and your wonder if I read the article? You clearly didn't think through what you typed. I literally read the article posted, then looked up who was cited in said article, and the pasted part of his bio which came from researching the people who commented in the article: the experts, if you will.

But you wonder if I read...geez. Duck next time you walk into a hobbits den: the head trauma is beginning to show itself.

Do you not see the failure in logic? What does it take to make plants grow? CO2. Eat veggies...which requite CO2. But, this "fight" against global warming (CO2 emissions) is a benefit to ones diet? The two contradict each other, fundamentally. Hence, the saracasm above.

Labor abuse is important. But it has nothing to do what John Doe's diet. Whether a cow is processed by an underpaid, overworked laborer or one who is unionized in say, Chicago? It's still a cow. It's still a steak. Who processed it doesn't change its nutritional value and the suggestion is, once again, pseudo science.

Animal rights and diet. No relation. Unless...you aren't thinking along with the objections to the changes in the food pyramid you're also suggesting changes in the food chain? This doesn't make sense to me.

An organization who spearheaded ireputable harm to a generation due to the draconian measures and it's only one side of the aisle that is upset, and doesn't trust, that group with their families welfare? I don't see that "take" as anything other than asinine. The last time I checked concern for the welfare of ones family didn't depend on what side of the aisle you happen to stand.

And to be clear, I'm standing in the aisle as I'm pointing out this exercise in Idiocracy.

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Last, but not least. If "funded by the NIH" doesn't raise a host of red flags in your world. I don't know if I can muster any more empathy.

 

[TerryP]

The pyramid is just guidelines for people who don't seem to know what is healthy. But then, most of those people don't give a shit one way or the other.

It's also serving as a reality check.

I don't like whole milk. It's too heavy for me to drink. I can't simply dismiss the sermons we've heard for decades about the fat content in milk and how you needed to buy 2% or the like.

 

[TerryP]

Also, since it's my money, I figure I can spend it however I want.

Look at the pyramid one more time. Does it represent what's in your kitchen/pantry? It does mine all the way down to how it's proportioned in the graphic. I have A LOT more of the stuff at the top than I do at the bottom.

 

[TerryP]

 

[Rsedge72]

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Makes me think about: “Trading Places”

 

[It Takes Eleven]

It's also serving as a reality check.

I don't like whole milk. It's too heavy for me to drink. I can't simply dismiss the sermons we've heard for decades about the fat content in milk and how you needed to buy 2% or the like.

Look at the pyramid one more time. Does it represent what's in your kitchen/pantry? It does mine all the way down to how it's proportioned in the graphic. I have A LOT more of the stuff at the top than I do at the bottom.

I drink two percent, unless there's whole milk left over from the grandkids visit. For processed foods, I use the Yuka app to identify harmful ingredients. It's astonishing the disconnect between the marketing and actual contents. Walk down the nutritional bar aisle at Sam's/Costco and you'll see there are very few that get a passing score. That being said, it's much easier to keep apples and oranges in the fridge for snacking. If I eat breakfast, I go back and forth between eggs, skyr (icelandic yogurt, either Siggi or Icelandic Provisions, whatever is BOGO at Publix) and overnight oats. Occasionally I'll get some granola-based cereal on sale, but that's not typical. If I'm on a workout schedule, I'll include some protein powder (Orgain), not always the full two scoops, in two percent milk. Lunch may not happen if breakfast does.

I eat whatever I want when we are out for dinner. If she's cooking, my wife is good to include a vegetable to two or salad with dinner, but her entrees are not always healthy. Again, I eat what I want for supper.

 

[TerryP]

Again, I eat what I want for supper.

I'm betting, even if it is "what I want for supper," it's not off of a dollar menu. There's nutritional value in every meal, right?

Who wouda thunk telling people to eat more meat and potatoes would create controversy? I find it funny that nothing has really changed other than "eat more of this, less of that."

 

[TerryP]

It's astonishing the disconnect between the marketing and actual contents.

This is a horrible analogy though it works for me.

I see it a lot like junk mail. I watch the mailman when I can to see what he's putting in the box. IF I see a lot of colors? I know 9 of 10 times that's going to end up in the trash: it's junk.

When it comes to groceries I find the more colorful/busy the box the bigger red flag it raises. I'm about to pull some pasta out for lunch and here's a great example. The more plain the package, the better ingredients in the pastas.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I'm betting, even if it is "what I want for supper," it's not off of a dollar menu. There's nutritional value in every meal, right?

Who wouda thunk telling people to eat more meat and potatoes would create controversy? I find it funny that nothing has really changed other than "eat more of this, less of that."

No, it's never fast food. Our main little place here in town has great fried okra. I get fried okra instead of french fries almost every time. Several times a month, my wife will take one of those little boxes of shrimp, beef or such and round out a full meal with it. It's chockfull of bad things (other than Kevin's brand, which has few additives/preservatives, but I wait for BOGO for it), but it saves her time and she does a good job with it. Last night, she made black bean soup from a NYT recipe. That was outstanding. I've been nursing a bug (flu, covid, whatever) for several days and the soup did more for my sinus congestion than anything I've taken.

 

[TerryP]

Last night, she made black bean soup from a NYT recipe.

IF you have the chance can you ask about that? I'd like to see the recipe. With a bit of a cold snap coming through for a couple of days I've been contemplating which beans to soak this morning.

(A friend dropped off 28 tomatoes Wednesday. I spent yesterday making homemade sauce, plan on making some fresh Pico today. Black bean soup...would hit the spot.)

I've been nursing a bug (flu, covid, whatever) for several days and the soup did more for my sinus congestion than anything I've taken

My brother. I can't tell you how much I understand this: I could write a series of books. The docs warned me off last November when these stomach issues started. I paid for that avoidance this past spring, summer, fall, and even today (though it will be in the mid-70's the next three days.)

...and if the phone didn't just ring setting the next "filter" change for the 23rd at 7.

Several times a month, my wife will take one of those little boxes of shrimp, beef or such and round out a full meal with it. It's chockfull of bad things (other than Kevin's brand, which has few additives/preservatives, but I wait for BOGO for it),

I'm not familiar with Kevin's or these boxes. I'm ALL for making it easier! It can't be any worse than grabbing a single from Sonic or throwing a Tony's pizza in the oven. You know me. I'm not a fast food guy. But, it's pretty hard to be $4 for two Jr double cheeseburgers.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

IF you have the chance can you ask about that? I'd like to see the recipe. With a bit of a cold snap coming through for a couple of days I've been contemplating which beans to soak this morning.

(A friend dropped off 28 tomatoes Wednesday. I spent yesterday making homemade sauce, plan on making some fresh Pico today. Black bean soup...would hit the spot.)


My brother. I can't tell you how much I understand this: I could write a series of books. The docs warned me off last November when these stomach issues started. I paid for that avoidance this past spring, summer, fall, and even today (though it will be in the mid-70's the next three days.)

...and if the phone didn't just ring setting the next "filter" change for the 23rd at 7.

I'm not familiar with Kevin's or these boxes. I'm ALL for making it easier! It can't be any worse than grabbing a single from Sonic or throwing a Tony's pizza in the oven. You know me. I'm not a fast food guy. But, it's pretty hard to be $4 for two Jr double cheeseburgers.

PDF attached. She actually forgot the cocoa, just an oversight.

Kevin's large entrees are in the refrigerated section for prepared foods, usually near the roast beef in gravy and mashed potato zip code. In the frozen section, they offer single serve meals in bowls, only two or three chicken varieties.

 

[TerryP]

Kevin's large entrees are in the refrigerated section for prepared foods, usually near the roast beef in gravy and mashed potato zip code. In the frozen section, they offer single serve meals in bowls, only two or three chicken varieties.

I looked it up after posting. I was surprised at the variety. There are over a dozen different chicken varieties listed in that search. I added the Cilantro Lime Chicken and their Fajitas skillet mix to my cart to give it a try.

I think there is a difference that needs to be pointed out here. Kevin's is to prepared meals as Marie Callenders is to chicken pot pie. You could get Banquet, but you'll pay more because Marie's is better even though it's not great for ya. With Kevin's? It's not Birdseye.

 

[TerryP]

She actually forgot the cocoa, just an oversight.

@Krimson thoughts on the cocoa?

 

[Krimson]

@Krimson thoughts on the cocoa?

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I'd use it, it adds a depth in my experience that you miss without it. Use it in chili pretty often.
Would highly recommend diy salsa verde as well, gets a different flavor from fresh imo.

 

[TerryP]

Would highly recommend diy salsa verde as well, gets a different flavor from fresh imo.

That was already "in the books" along with a few other "Mexican type" accoutrements this week. The black bean soup was just idling in the back of my mind since I made some a little over a month ago.

 

[TerryP]

Okay. It dawns on me.

I see Dr. Oz commenting on this and mentions alcohol consumption. They've dropped the ol' "two a day for men, one for a woman" mantra.

Now. Follow along. This is science.

Dr. Oz mentions "alcohol is a social lubricant." He says he believes in the best case scenario is you don't drink. But, it does allow people to get together and socialize more freely. He goes on to talk about how there probably isn't anything more healthy than getting together with friends and having a good time. He mentions "Blue Zones" where they consume every day; but emphasizes small amounts.

(I liked "there is alcohol in these guidelines, but don't have it for breakfast." What would Sheryl Crow say?)

So . We've been talking about the NIH. Now, I'm bring this into the conversation.

They should have done this in November. Then I could have said, "I'm thankful the government has gone from saying stay six feet apart to now saying 'have a double and get with her.'"

THIS is progressive policy.

 

[TerryP]

RFK Jr.'s comment in his latest presser makes this so simple I had to chuckle a bit. No. I laughed.

"My message is clear, eat real food."

 

[TerryP]

PDF attached. She actually forgot the cocoa, just an oversight.

Kevin's large entrees are in the refrigerated section for prepared foods, usually near the roast beef in gravy and mashed potato zip code. In the frozen section, they offer single serve meals in bowls, only two or three chicken varieties.

Been meaning to say; this was good. Thanks her thanks. I'll do it again.