🏈 The Mack Brown ripple effect, 53 teams 103 coaches

[planomateo]

Puts into perspective how one coaching change can cause a huge ripple. Glad to see someone researching this.



ESPN did an infographic on this.

 

[bamaraider]

Pretty cool, once Saban got his raise, pretty much everyone else followed until Strong took the job.

We can't have Mack Brown thread without getting ShaggyBevo's response on it: http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/sho...ack-Brown-Ripple-Effect?p=6769329#post6769329

 

[TerryP]

No doubt this is an interesting piece. I read over this when it was first published and while reading it I started questioning things about the article.

That questioning started with this one sentence. "And he persuaded five coaches he respects to come on board: Oklahoma State's Joe Wickline, Alabama's Chris Rumph, USC's Tommie Robinson, Memphis' Chris Vaughn and Mississippi State's Les Koenning."

Notice in their infographic how it states the state of Alabama was impacted the most of any of the states? How is it an impact on the University of Alabama when Chris Rumph had been replaced before Strong hired him? Bo Davis and his return was announced about a week or more before Strong was introduced.

Then I started thinking about this one phrase that preceded that sentence, "...He cut loose eight of the Longhorns' nine assistants..."

We have Strong hiring nine assistants. That's nine schools replacing nine coaches leaving another nine schools hiring nine, another nine hiring nine...53 schools effected. Is that really a big ripple? Or, is it the same ripple effect felt when any major school hires a new coach? Considering it's 103 coaches at 53 schools...not that great of ripple when you stop and look, is it?

Here's where I was left at the end.

It's an interesting article that certainly was time consuming on the author—much like the coaching search at Texas was time consuming.

The effect felt across the board was as ordinary as it is with any school—much like the state of the program at Texas, ordinary.

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One last thing I'll bring up.

When is the last time you heard of a coach winning a national title and not receiving a raise? If you missed it, it happened in 2012 when Saban won his third here at Bama, the second of two in a row.

To say the hiring of Strong at Texas lead to Saban getting a raise is simply untrue. He was going to receive one anyway. Did it influence the amount of the raise? There's an argument to be considered but it's also an argument with two strong sides. (IE: Strong gets 5 million having not won a damn thing. Saban gets bumped to his figure after winning three NC's. "What the market dictates" come into play, no?)

 

[planomateo]

Same ripple affect when any major school hires a new coach. That was the part of this I found the most interesting, that when a major school has a HC change, that the impact is felt far. I ignored the Saban comments/innuendos.

As you stated above @TerryP, some of these coaching changes were in flight ...thinking Greg Brown, Kevin Steele, Chris Rumph. Todd Grantham, would have have stayed around at UGA regardless of Louisville's DC opening...doubt it.

Here is the list of coaches they have "affected" by this.

Coach Old job New job
1 Terrell Buckley Akron CBs Louisville CBs
2 Chris Rumph Alabama DL Texas DL
3 Greg Brown Alabama DBs Louisville S
4 Kirby Smart Alabama DC/LB Alabama DC/DB
5 Kevin Steele Alabama recruiting Alabama LBs
6 Kent Riddle Arkansas State STs Boise State RBs
7 Brandon Hall Auburn analyst Jacksonville State co-DC
8 Keith Bhonapha Boise State RBs Washington RBs
9 Dan Shamash Tampa Bay Bucs QC Jacksonville Jaguars QC
10 Dan Dodd Capistrano Valley Christian HC Arkansas State STs
11 Eric Preszler Capistrano Valley Christian OC Capistrano Valley Christian HC
12 Tyson Helton Cincinnati TEs Western Kentucky OC
13 Marc Nudelberg Cincinnati GA Cincinnati TEs
14 LaMarcus Hicks Concordia DBs North Texas CBs
15 Todd Bates East Central C.C. DL Jacksonville State DL
16 Ken Delgado Eastern Michigan DL Western Kentucky DEs
17 Taylor Stubblefield Eastern Michigan WRs Utah WRs
18 Dan O'Brien Elon DBs Navy OLBs
19 Jeremy Pruitt Florida State DC Georgia DC
20 Charles Kelly Florida State LBs Florida State DC
21 Tim Cary Fordham DBs Fordham co-DC
22 David Blackwell Fordham DC Jacksonville State co-DC
23 Todd Grantham Georgia DC Louisville DC
24 Chris Wilson Georgia DL USC DL
25 Bob Connelly Gilbert High School OL Oklahoma State OL
26 Otis Mounds Holmes C.C. Akron CBs
27 Herb Haygood Indiana personnel Eastern Michigan WRs
28 Chris Klenakis Iowa State OL Louisville OL
29 Bill Clark Jacksonville State HC UAB HC
30 Duwan Walker Jacksonville State DC UAB DC
31 David Reeves Jacksonville State DL UAB DL
32 Jody Wright Jacksonville State Passing OC UAB RBs
33 Mike Bennefield Jacksonville State OL UAB OL
34 Cornelius Williams Jacksonville State WR UAB WRs
35 Chuck Dunn Jacksonville State ILBs UAB ILBs
36 Daric Riley Jacksonville State OLBs UAB OLBs
37 John Grass Jacksonville State OC Jacksonville State HC
38 Jimmy Ogle Jacksonville State RBs Jacksonville State RBs
39 Trey Clark Jacksonville State GA Jacksonville State OL
40 Nick Gentry Jacksonville State GA Jacksonville State OLBs
41 Larry Smith Jacksonville State GA Jacksonville State QBs
42 Brandon Blaney Jacksonville Jaguars QC Iowa State OL
43 Charlie Strong Louisville HC Texas HC
44 Vance Bedford Louisville DC Texas DC
45 Shawn Watson Louisville OC Texas QBs
46 Brian Jean-Mary Louisville LBs Texas LBs
47 Kenny Carter Louisville RBs Youngstown State WRs
48 Tommy Restivo Louisville DBs South Carolina State DC
49 Clint Hurtt Louisville DL Chicago Bears DL assistant
50 Sherrone Moore Louisville TEs Central Michigan TEs
51 Ron Dugans Louisville WRs USF WRs
52 Dave Borbely Louisville OL
53 Chris Vaughn Memphis CBs Texas DBs
54 Bill Miller Minnesota LBs Florida State LBs
55 Mike Sherels Minnesota GA Minnesota LBs
56 Les Koenning Mississippi State OC Texas WRs
57 Tony Grantham Navy OLBs Louisville ILBs
58 Ryan Walters North Texas CBs Memphis CBs
59 Robby Brown Northwestern State QBs South Alabama QBs
60 JR Sandlin Notre Dame recruiting Jacksonville State TEs
61 Joe Wickline Oklahoma State OL Texas OC
62 Bryant Vincent South Alabama QBs UAB OC
63 Mack Brown Texas HC
64 Bruce Chambers Texas TEs Texas TEs
65 Greg Robinson Texas DC San Jose State DC
66 Duane Akina Texas DBs Stanford DBs
67 Oscar Giles Texas DEs Louisiana Tech DL
68 Bo Davis Texas DTs, USC DL Alabama DL
69 Stacy Searles Texas OL Virginia Tech OL
70 Larry Porter Texas RBs North Carolina RBs
71 Major Applewhite Texas co-OC
72 Darrell Wyatt Texas co-OC
73 Aashon Larkins The Citadel ILB/ST Jacksonville State CBs
74 Tracy Rocker Titans DL Georgia DL
75 Garrick McGee UAB HC Louisville OC
76 Reggie Johnson UAB DC Alabama A&M DC
77 Jimmy Williams UAB DC Eastern Michigan DL
78 Kevin Peoples UAB DL Georgia Southern DL
79 Richard Owens UAB OC UAB TEs
80 John Peterson UAB OL Akron OL
81 Eric Evans UAB RBs Dayton QBs
82 Matt Sanders UAB ST Alabama A&M DBs
83 Brandon Sharp UAB DBs
84 Joseph Henry UAB TEs
85 Jon Wholley UConn LBs Fordham co-DC
86 Tommie Robinson USC RBs Texas RBs
87 Brian Johnson Utah QBs Mississippi State QBs
88 Johnny Nansen Washington RBs USC RBs
89 Ricky Brumfield Western Kentucky CBs Western Kentucky CBs
90 Mike Cassity Western Kentucky DBs Western Kentucky DBs
91 Bobby Petrino Western Kentucky HC Louisville HC
92 Kolby Smith Western Kentucky RBs Louisville RBs
93 L.D. Scott Western Kentucky DEs Louisville DEs
94 Lamar Thomas Western Kentucky WRs Louisville WRs
95 Jeff Brohm Western Kentucky OC Western Kentucky HC
96 Nick Holt Western Kentucky DC Western Kentucky DC
97 Neil Callaway Western Kentucky OL Western Kentucky OL
98 JaMarcus Shepard Western Kentucky QC Western Kentucky WRs
99 Don Dunn Western Kentucky DTs Western Kentucky DTs
100 Terry Lantz (Year off) Elon DBs
101 Nick Williams (Year off) Jacksonville State WRs
102 Giff Smith (Year off) Tennessee Titans DL
103 Greg Nord (Year off) Western Kentucky RBs

 

[TerryP]

@planomateo

I would have to spend some time searching (and I'm not going to on my phone) but I recall a discussion last December or January about Greg Brown being on a recruiting trip with Saban. It struck me as odd because I knew he wouldn't be coaching the secondary. I assumed at that point he was headed for an administrative position with the openings we were seeing.

I also recall reading tweets from Suttles (I believe it was him...one of the Tidesports guys) for weeks before the announcement of Steele coming back in and Kirby moving to the secondary again. What hadn't been "announced," was a certainty.

Grantham—how long before Pruitt was hired did we know he was on his way out? I'm thinking I first heard he was being "encouraged" to move on right after they allowed GT to put up 30+ on them last season.