🏈 The case for a college football playoff...

[Crimson14Tide]

Yes they did, they won the same one Alabama won in 09, Florida in 08, and so on. It is the BCS National Champion. Just because it is not decided how you or others want to see it decided does not mean it's any less of an accomplishment or that it's not a national championship.

Try telling that to the NCAA. They award National Championships to every single sport in college. Except for one. For some reason. For some....extremely good reason.

Also....

Typical non-'Bama-CFB-fan 50 years from now:
"Them dumb Bammers! They're claiming the 2009 BCSMNC even though Boise St. was undefeated!!"

And then I'll think, 'It's 2051....& we still have to listen to this. Just because people aren't smart enough to want a proper playoff. *smfacepalmh*'

 

[TheChief]

Exactly.

 

[Bo]

Look, I'm not a fan of the BCS. At least as it currently stands. I just don't see the need in a 16 team playoff. 8 teams would be more than enough. Just going to the +1 model would work just fine IMO.

Can you name me one instance where if there had been just one more game, that it would not have solved all of the questions as to who won your so called MNC?

 

[Joe]

Look, I'm not a fan of the BCS. At least as it currently stands. I just don't see the need in a 16 team playoff. 8 teams would be more than enough. Just going to the +1 model would work just fine IMO.

Can you name me one instance where if there had been just one more game, that it would not have solved all of the questions as to who won your so called MNC?

I would prefer one more game to what we have now, but that assumes that there are just 4 good teams. I think that if you look at the teams right know that any of the top 10 teams could play for a NC, but we would never know if it is left up to polls to decide. One may say that Clemson would have no chance against LSU, but that is mere opinion. Let's play it out on the field. I like the idea that only conference champions make a playoff then there is not an at-large bid controversy.

 

[TheChief]

2009. After Bama defeats Texas, who's number two in the one plus? Florida finished ranked third ahead of number four Boise in the final BCS standings. One plus, who plays? Florida or Boise? All questions would not have been answered.

Is that check or mate?

 

[jdpas29]

that's what i was alluding to earlier about the way the new BCS setup is worded in the article.. they will need to use the winners of the two biggest bowls and not necessarily an end of the year ranking to avoid strange intraconference matchups (i.e. the SEC plays a repeat of the SECCG every other year)

if your biggest two bowls of the year, whichever ones they may be, have the two winners play in a plus one regardless of rank, i think you can call that an actual national championship. i do think, however that an 8 team is much more definitive.

i would take either compared to the dog and pony show that is going on now.

 

[Crimson14Tide]

Look, I'm not a fan of the BCS. At least as it currently stands. *I just don't see the need in a 16 team playoff. **8 teams would be more than enough. Just going to the +1 model would work just fine IMO.

***Can you name me one instance where if there had been just one more game, that it would not have solved all of the questions as to who won your so called MNC?

*A)There are 11 conferences & 122-123 teams. B)A playoff with less than 16/17 teams greatly degrades the regular season....as long as there are 11 conferences & 120+ teams.
**I agree....as soon as they cut Div. 1 down to 80 teams. But until then 8 teams is only half of what you would need for a proper playoff.
***Yes, every single year between 1869 & the first year of a proper playoff.

An 8 team playoff? So, what would have been Alabama's reward for obtaining the #1 seed in 2009? A neutral site game with Florida or Texas?? Man, that sounds SO much better than getting the first two rounds at Bryant-Denny with the first round coming against #16 Troy/C. Michigan. And by "so much better", I mean....that's sounds just awful. Horrendously, terribly....awful. BETTER than what we have....but still awful.






Ohhh, I can already hear it from random people who can't understand...."Troy don't belong in no playo-"

STOP. You don't want them in a Div. 1 playoff if they win their conference? Then get them (& in some cases entire conferences...looking at you, MAC!) out of Div. 1.

Problem solved. As opposed to just repeating the backward mantra, "They don't belong!" They don't??? Then why are they here???


No where in the United States of America would ANY business/organization be allowed to run itself in the manner in which the BCS/Major CFB does. And one of the biggest problems with the BCS & CFB as a whole is this incredibly backward "they don't belong" mentality. Every time I hear this I can just imagine the blowhard saying it's wife actually chained to an ironing board & stove.

And yet there they are. Expected to have a football team....but not an equal one.

"Well, they should join a better conf-"
Because it just works that way, right? Teams just point at a conference & say, 'Oh, we Big XII now!'

+1=Better garbage than our current garbage...but still garbage.

8 teams=ruins regular season....like everyone is complaining about....yet they keep suggesting just that!

16/17 teams=Makes every single game in the regular season crucial, as opposed to BC/BA/BCS/+1/8 team playoff, & less importantly is FAIR. The thing that everyone seems to fear the most. And you know, we'll have an ANC at the end of the season for the first time in major CFB history.

Not that that is important or anything...

 

[Crimson14Tide]

2009. After Bama defeats Texas, who's number two in the one plus? Florida finished ranked third ahead of number four Boise in the final BCS standings. One plus, who plays? Florida or Boise? All questions would not have been answered.

Is that check or mate?

I believe you should say, 'Check...& mate!'

 

[foshman]

Look, I'm not a fan of the BCS. At least as it currently stands. I just don't see the need in a 16 team playoff. 8 teams would be more than enough. Just going to the +1 model would work just fine IMO.

Can you name me one instance where if there had been just one more game, that it would not have solved all of the questions as to who won your so called MNC?

2009 was the only year that more than 4 teams have finished the season undefeated recently. Cincinnati was spanked by Florida, Boise St. beat TCU, and you guys beat ESPNU.

A +1 would have been more than enough every other year.

 

[foshman]

2009. After Bama defeats Texas, who's number two in the one plus? Florida finished ranked third ahead of number four Boise in the final BCS standings. One plus, who plays? Florida or Boise? All questions would not have been answered.

Is that check or mate?

So much wrong with this.....

That ranking was after the bowl games. Going into the bowl games both TCU and Cincinnati were ranked ahead of Florida and Boise who were 5th and 6th respectively. In the bowl games 1 beat 2, 6 beat 3, and 5 beat 4. The rankings you site reflect those outcomes.

Additionally, Alabama would have played TCU first and Texas would have played Cincinnati first. The Alabama/ESPNU game would have been the + 1.

So Boise and Florida would have been left out. 2009 is also the only year the +1 wouldn't have accounted for all the undefeated teams. The other 4 times three or more teams finished undefeated it would have worked.

 

[BadAllergies]

Haven't read the thread but....

I will never support a playoff that allows NAQ conference teams in it, NAQ conferences need to down graded to their own separate post season. More conference expansion should take place however, to allow for the strong NAQ programs to join AQ conferences.

Now, if we don't have major conference change, and we have an 8 team playoff consisting of the 6 major conference winners plus 2 at larges, and one of those at large teams is a NAQ school, you are basically saying that winning the Big 10, ACC, Big 12 etc, is worth as much as winning the MWC or WAC and going undefeated. Thats my major problem with a playoff system based on the current rankings/system.

 

[SnakeFan]

Thank you for your comment. Those who say that every game counts in the BCS system is simply using a slogan that is not true. LSU won a NC with two loses not long ago and Auburn went undefeated and still did not have a chance at a NC. Every game did not count for them. Those are two examples that prove the every game counts slogan false. To my knowledge, the book "Death to the BCS" has still not received a single serious response to its arguments from any BCS proponent.

Remember Les's argument back then? "We are undefeated in regulation..." I'd love to see a play off system

 

[ElephantStomp]

I love how if yoy dont agree with the playoff mantra then you're clueless, etc well, according to some.

A playoff isn't going to solve e everything just look in March when ESPN is on the tv whining because so and so got selected over so and so.

 

[TheChief]

Yeah, that's a good reason not to have a playoff.

Someone was whining in another sport. Good reason.

 

[Crimson14Tide]

I love how if yoy dont agree with the playoff mantra then you're clueless, etc well, according to some. A playoff isn't going to solve e everything just look in March when ESPN is on the tv whining because so and so got selected over so and so.

I love how the same logic applies to the Flat Earth Society. For some reason, people seem to get all uppity if you try to suggest Earth is not round....

So, what happens after all the whining? Do they then have a playoff/tourney with a bunch of teams that then causes them to determine the best team by actually playing the sport on the field of play? THEN the NCAA awards the team with recognition of their accomplishment?? Hmm, Alabama's football team has never done that....& as an Alabama fan, I would be remiss to not crave such a thing. That, ElephantStomp, is called "well worth it".

Take how ever much whining there is during March Madness by 100 million & guess what......STILL WORTH IT.
Also, I hate to break this to you....in 2004 Auburn fans as well as fans of "fairness" did a lot of whining.

...in 2008 Utah fans as well as fans of "fairness" did a lot of whining.
...in 2009 Boise St. fans as well as fans of "fairness" did a lot of whining.
...hey, was there some whining going on in 1966? How 'bout 1973??

Those are just 5 examples. There has been whining in every single season of CFB for at least 30 years. I'm sure it goes back much further.

Aside from all that....in a proper 16-team playoff....there WILL be whining. By a few teams that got left out.....BUT DON'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON IN THE ARGUMENT (They finished 3rd/4th or worse in their division or conference & have 3/4+ losses).

However, in a +1 or an improper 8-team playoff there will also be whining....with teams that have 2 legs to stand on in their argument (We are conference champs, we're 2nd in our conference ['Bama fans attempting to screw over their own team....BRILLIANT!], we only have 2 losses).

That comparison earlier? 2....2 paltry shots at a MNC as opposed to, what, 8-9 (not looking) shots at an ACTUAL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? Again....'NO....BRAINER'.

So, sorry to all of you who can't seem to grasp what is actually an incredibly obvious choice for not heralding you as geniuses. If you found out your house had Asbestos in it & chose not to remove it, guess what? You're not a genius for that either! Amazing concept isn't it?

 

[ElephantStomp]

lol ok bud you're a genius and everybody else isn't. I can see that if people disagree with you then you turn into a douche or maybe you always are?

 

[Crimson14Tide]

I want to say stupid things on the internet....but I don't want to have to read where someone applied even the slightest bit of logic or reason to my statements to make me look foolish. And if they do, I'll just call them a douche & win the argument! Facts, logic, & reason be damned!

Err, well....you probably would have been safe in the late 80s or very early 90s. But it's 2011 now & when you say something that makes zero sense what-so-ever...someone, in fact many people (depending on where/when you "say" it), are probably going to point it out to you. Some might even be mean about it. Someone might even call you a 'douche' & make all saaaaad faaaace.

But the person that calls you a douche will more than likely do that & only that as they have no argument to back up their incredibly asinine statements. Pay no mind to them as they're more than likely World of Warcraft veterans.