🏈 Silver lining to NCAA investigation?

Crimson Jangles

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Mal, who has been under some pressure for years now, is about to have a second major football probation on his watch (the first one wasn't completely his fault, but this one would be). And today with FSU getting hammered, that makes Dave Hart tough to elevate as AD, especially since the last thing UA wants to do is promote a guy that the NCAA just hammered his former school for cheating that happened on his watch.

So all of this seems to open the door wide open for one Ozzie Newsome to come home and take over as AD. A couple of years ago Ozzie stated that he wanted to wait till his son graduated from high school (which I believe was going to happen in spring of 2010), and then he would 'take a job as janitor, if they'd let me'. And Saban was in Cleveland when Ozzie was, and reportedly they have much respect for each other.

Having Saban as HC and Ozzie as AD would a dream come true. Hopefully it's only a year away from happening.
 
If Hart is already taken over day to day operations of the AD, I expect him to get promoted to AD when MM leaves or gets the ax. I would love to see Ozzie at the helm, but I think he has a good thing going with the Ravens.

I just hope we don't get too badly penalized, that would make Coach Saban start to look elsewhere, since we can't seem to stay out of trouble. I hope the admin. at the Capstone can get some folks in place to better manage this crap and know what the hell they are doing so that every 3-4 years we are not discussing this again.
 
"I would love to see Ozzie at the helm, but I think he has a good thing going with the Ravens. "

Here's what Ozzie has said about the Bama AD:

"People keep talking about me being the AD. If there's the opportunity to come back maybe to be the janitor at the University of Alabama, hey, I'll take that."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzie_Newsome

Ozzie DOES have a good thing going at Baltimore. But he knows he'd have a better thing in Tuscaloosa.
 
This entire textbook thing is getting overblown by everyone. The NCAA, UA, the fans, media, opponents, and their fans. Bama self-reported, suspended the players, and then they were reinstated with the NCAA's blessing. This is about Bama winning again. This centers around complaints that Saban was killing everyone on the recruiting trail. The underlying issue is that some of this stuff probably happened before we moved off of our official 5 year probation window, which ended in Feb 2007. That is problematic.

Dave Hart would be shown the door right now, if it were my call. Should lose his job now that FSU has to take their medicine. If this thing with the NCAA goes deeper and darker, Mr. Moore should be given the choice to leave or to leave.
 
reger60 said:
And the silver lining to a kidney stone is some pain medication.

no more investigations. please.


I hear ya!!! I am sick of hearing about us being in trouble. It seems that every time we start to win we get investigated for something.

The thing that gets me here is we self reported, suspended the players involved. We did not just reinstate the the NCAA had to do so and now here we are about to get punished for it anyway.

This is really getting ridiculous .
 
Crimson Jangles said:
What makes you say that?

I'd say the same thing. But, say it with this addition, "He's not qualified."

As a GM of a football franchise, he's used to dealing with player personnel issues - for one team.

As an AD, that experience just doesn't fit. Two different worlds.
 
Crimson Jangles said:
Mal, who has been under some pressure for years now, is about to have a second major football probation on his watch (the first one wasn't completely his fault, but this one would be). And today with FSU getting hammered, that makes Dave Hart tough to elevate as AD, especially since the last thing UA wants to do is promote a guy that the NCAA just hammered his former school for cheating that happened on his watch.

So all of this seems to open the door wide open for one Ozzie Newsome to come home and take over as AD. A couple of years ago Ozzie stated that he wanted to wait till his son graduated from high school (which I believe was going to happen in spring of 2010), and then he would 'take a job as janitor, if they'd let me'. And Saban was in Cleveland when Ozzie was, and reportedly they have much respect for each other.

Having Saban as HC and Ozzie as AD would a dream come true. Hopefully it's only a year away from happening.

Never mind an investigation/hearings/enquireies, especially those that that have to be done to show that a school has done enough already, Jangles has us locked in on MAJOR probation.

There is a difference between failing to follow the intent of an unclear rule and out-and-out cheating. The issue/charge here, was the university at fault for not having a member of its Compliance Staff present when the students picked up text books, is not spelled out clearly in the rules. If you recall when all of this surfaced, there were comments made about the understanding that this was no different than any other school...thus NOT cheating as an unfair advantage was not gained. Was it what the NCAA intended, NO. What is what the NCAA put in it rules...that is a matter of interpretation, which is the problem.
 
"I'd say the same thing. But, say it with this addition, "He's not qualified." "

IMO he'd be the most qualified person to be AD since Bear Bryant.

Mal, while hiring Saban, has also seen the football program get two PLOIs on his watch. He also gave nice extensions/raises to Shula and Gottfried, then fired them the next year. Mal's a great fundraiser, but not a solid AD.

Bob Bockrath hired Mike Dubose because of a fan campaign even though he wanted Frank Beamer. And he took Coke out of BDS and gave us Pepsi. Eck.

Hootie did a decent job, but he also worked with Bebes to cover-up the Antonio Langham napkin contract. Our current NCAA issues in great part can be tied back to this episode.

Steve Sloan hired Bill Curry. Nuff said.

Ozzie has worked for years with one of the NFL's more successful franchises, and has an impeccable reputation in the league. His player personnel skills and experience working with the Ravens front office and coaching staff for years ensures that he understands how all the pieces of an athletic department would work together.

IMO Ozzie is a damned sight better AD candidate than anyone we've had since Bear.
 
Crimson Jangles said:
Mal, who has been under some pressure for years now, is about to have a second major football probation on his watch (the first one wasn't completely his fault, but this one would be). And today with FSU getting hammered, that makes Dave Hart tough to elevate as AD, especially since the last thing UA wants to do is promote a guy that the NCAA just hammered his former school for cheating that happened on his watch.

So all of this seems to open the door wide open for one Ozzie Newsome to come home and take over as AD. A couple of years ago Ozzie stated that he wanted to wait till his son graduated from high school (which I believe was going to happen in spring of 2010), and then he would 'take a job as janitor, if they'd let me'. And Saban was in Cleveland when Ozzie was, and reportedly they have much respect for each other.

Having Saban as HC and Ozzie as AD would a dream come true. Hopefully it's only a year away from happening.

Souse. :lol:

Let's see.....NFL vs NCAA...nah. However, nice idea.

Can't wait till April 18th. :D
 
I think Ozzie would be a good pick for AD, but I don't think UA will hire him. But, if Saban makes a play then they just might.

As for the investigation everybody is blowing this out of proportion. The NCAA is doing the samething to us as they do to everybody. I think Bama fans are so worried about being hammered with NCAA sactions that every little thing is making some of our fans freak out.
 
I wondered if I should give you the long or short version here.

Crimson Jangles said:
"I'd say the same thing. But, say it with this addition, "He's not qualified." "

Learn to use the quote function. :D :wink:

IMO he'd be the most qualified person to be AD since Bear Bryant.

Versus whom?

You may have your issues with Dave Hart, and if so I understand that. Of course, that is assuming Hart is the guy who is going to get the job when Moore is no longer in the Ath. Dept.

But, most qualified? Hart is much more qualified and even if he isn't a guy you want, there are A LOT of people who would fit the bill of being more qualified than Ozzie.

Mal, while hiring Saban, has also seen the football program get two PLOIs on his watch. He also gave nice extensions/raises to Shula and Gottfried, then fired them the next year. Mal's a great fundraiser, but not a solid AD.

Bob Bockrath hired Mike Dubose because of a fan campaign even though he wanted Frank Beamer. And he took Coke out of BDS and gave us Pepsi. Eck.

Hootie did a decent job, but he also worked with Bebes to cover-up the Antonio Langham napkin contract. Our current NCAA issues in great part can be tied back to this episode.

Steve Sloan hired Bill Curry. Nuff said.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with whether Ozzie is qualified for the job, or not.

Ozzie has worked for years with one of the NFL's more successful franchises, and has an impeccable reputation in the league. His player personnel skills and experience working with the Ravens front office and coaching staff for years ensures that he understands how all the pieces of an athletic department would work together.

What you have just described is a director of football operations at the collegiate level.
 
"Versus whom?"

Versus everyone that's been AD since Bear.

"You may have your issues with Dave Hart, and if so I understand that. Of course, that is assuming Hart is the guy who is going to get the job when Moore is no longer in the Ath. Dept.

But, most qualified? Hart is much more qualified and even if he isn't a guy you want, there are A LOT of people who would fit the bill of being more qualified than Ozzie. "

Hart's qualification to be AD at Bama (or any major school) just went to ZERO with the announcement that the NCAA just lowered the boom on FSU for cheating in TEN sports under Hart's watch.

Elevating Hart to AD at this point is all but guaranteeing another NCAA investigation. I have nothing against Hart. I just have no desire to hire a guy to be our AD that has a proven track record of overseeing system-wide cheating in the athletic department of a major NCAA program.

Do you?

And BTW, if Mal were to look to be AD at another school, the FIRST thing that school will focus on is the fact that the football program at Alabama received TWO PLOIs on his watch.

How many schools do you think would hire him with that on his resume? About as many as will give Hart a hard look after last week's news out of Tallahassee.
 
ElephantStomp said:
I think Ozzie would be a good pick for AD, but I don't think UA will hire him. But, if Saban makes a play then they just might.

Yep, if Saban pushes for Ozzie, he'll have the inside track.

Which means Ozzie could either stay on as AD, or Saban might want to move over to AD after he retires.

Either way, we'd be in much better shape at AD than we have been in years.
 
Crimson Jangles said:
"Versus whom?"

Versus everyone that's been AD since Bear.

"You may have your issues with Dave Hart, and if so I understand that. Of course, that is assuming Hart is the guy who is going to get the job when Moore is no longer in the Ath. Dept.

But, most qualified? Hart is much more qualified and even if he isn't a guy you want, there are A LOT of people who would fit the bill of being more qualified than Ozzie. "

Hart's qualification to be AD at Bama (or any major school) just went to ZERO with the announcement that the NCAA just lowered the boom on FSU for cheating in TEN sports under Hart's watch.

Elevating Hart to AD at this point is all but guaranteeing another NCAA investigation. I have nothing against Hart. I just have no desire to hire a guy to be our AD that has a proven track record of overseeing system-wide cheating in the athletic department of a major NCAA program.

Do you?

And BTW, if Mal were to look to be AD at another school, the FIRST thing that school will focus on is the fact that the football program at Alabama received TWO PLOIs on his watch.

How many schools do you think would hire him with that on his resume? About as many as will give Hart a hard look after last week's news out of Tallahassee.

You need to learn to use the quote button, it makes conversations like this go much easier on the person responding.
 
Crimson Jangles said:
Hart's qualification to be AD at Bama (or any major school) just went to ZERO with the announcement that the NCAA just lowered the boom on FSU for cheating in TEN sports under Hart's watch.

Elevating Hart to AD at this point is all but guaranteeing another NCAA investigation. I have nothing against Hart. I just have no desire to hire a guy to be our AD that has a proven track record of overseeing system-wide cheating in the athletic department of a major NCAA program.

Do you?

You are blowing the situation at FSU WAY out of proportion and bordering on describing it in a manner which just isn't the case in relation to Dave Hart.

Your system-wide cheating assertion is limited to a few individuals who helped athletes in one department. Because it covered multiple sports doesn't make it system wide.

You have an academic adviser pushing kids towards a class and in that class two tutors giving kids answers to a test in one class, a music class at that.

I suppose, it is also your assertion that Dave Hart in his role as AD at FSU was supposed to micro-manage the department all the way down to that level?

FSU's problem may have extended to the point their Student Services Director had some culpability in that this was his department. But still, blaming that situation on that director is the proverbial "sacrificial lamb."

And BTW, if Mal were to look to be AD at another school, the FIRST thing that school will focus on is the fact that the football program at Alabama received TWO PLOIs on his watch.

How many schools do you think would hire him with that on his resume? About as many as will give Hart a hard look after last week's news out of Tallahassee.

Like I said, it's true that Coach Moore has been at the helm when the schools received two letters. It's also just as true to look at when the violations occurred with the first one.

But, here we are again making this about Coach Moore in relation to the textbook scandal.

Should that fall on him? Again, only if you think he should be micro-managing the employees at a book store.

I do find it interesting you make this following statement.

"How many schools do you think would hire him with that on his resume?"

Let's take that a step further and use it in your Ozzie Newsome scenario.

How many schools do you think would hire Ozzie with his resume? A very, very small school might. Might.

But, glaring obvious on his resume is this. There is no experience, at all, in a collegiate athletic department administration. There is no experience that even mirrors the responsibility the Athletic Directory has in his job.

Now, I've never said I thought Hart should be the next AD. The only comment I have had in support of his hire was back when he was hired I said we can look for someone to take a closer look at the basketball program and the coaching situation.

Now, back to the thread...IF you want to talk about experience and those more qualified to fit the position you've mentioned them already in this thread about our past AD's. Responding to all of that would be the longer version of that first reply. However, I didn't think it was worth the time when you mentioned a Coke vs Pepsi decision and then put the hire of Curry at Steve Sloan's feet when it wasn't his decision in the first place.
 
Mal Moore would have NEVER been hired by anybody other than Bama to be its AD!

Just another in a long line of goofs from the UA admin over the last 25 yrs
 
You are blowing the situation at FSU WAY out of proportion and bordering on describing it in a manner which just isn't the case in relation to Dave Hart.

Dude the LAST thing Bama needs right now is a new AD that even smells funny in regards to the NCAA. Hiring Hart is begging the NCAA to slam Bama again. If we hire Hart, the NCAA will take it as if we are personally thumbing our noses at them by hiring the guy that was AD when FSU had system-wide cheating.

Sorry but Hart is now damaged goods to Bama.

I do find it interesting you make this following statement.

"How many schools do you think would hire him with that on his resume?"

Let's take that a step further and use it in your Ozzie Newsome scenario.

How many schools do you think would hire Ozzie with his resume? A very, very small school might. Might.

And how many schools would Ozzie even consider being the AD at, other than Bama?

Zero.

But, glaring obvious on his resume is this. There is no experience, at all, in a collegiate athletic department administration. There is no experience that even mirrors the responsibility the Athletic Directory has in his job.

Are you serious? So none of the skills and experience he has accumulated in the front offices of two NFL franchises would benefit him at all if he were Bama's AD?

Okayyyyy....

BTW even if you are right, what qualifications for AD did Moore have when we hired him? Do you think working in the front offices of two NFL franchises makes Ozzie more qualified than being Bear/Bebes OC did Mal?

And I'm not saying we have to hire Ozzie, I think Gene Hallman might also be a good choice.

But hiring Hart is like begging for an NCAA investigation. Have no idea why any Bama fan would want to bring that sort of attention to the program. And it doesn't have to do with what Hart did or did not do at FSU, if has to do with if the NCAA would think that Bama was thumbing their nose at them by hiring Hart.

And they would.
 
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