🏈 SEC Expansion: Why the Big 12 is the key to SEC adding more schools

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Oklahoma is a key as much as Texas. They ever leave the big 12, it's over and out. I trust if they go, it's further out west, where they can remain true to their identity. When I think deserts and dust bowls, I think sooners.
 
Personally, I'd like to see Oklahoma and TCU added to the SEC. My third choice would be Oklahoma State. If we could pick up TCU, we would have the entire Dallas/Ft. Worth market. Oklahoma would be the entire state, including OKC and Tulsa market. I do not think Texas would ever consider the SEC but I could be wrong. I also agree that realignment would take place if we add teams from west of the Mississippi.
 
alabama mike said:
Personally, I'd like to see Oklahoma and TCU added to the SEC. My third choice would be Oklahoma State. If we could pick up TCU, we would have the entire Dallas/Ft. Worth market. Oklahoma would be the entire state, including OKC and Tulsa market. I do not think Texas would ever consider the SEC but I could be wrong. I also agree that realignment would take place if we add teams from west of the Mississippi.
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Texas needs a conference, especially if they want to get into the hunt for a NC. Their network is the sticking point. I don't know when the contract comes up for renewal, but I don't think it can be renewed at the same rate. Texas and Oklahoma are the Crown Jewels of the conference. If the conference implodes like many expect, I feel bad for Iowa State, Texas Tech, Kansas and Kansas State.
 
OldPlayer said:
Their network is the sticking point. I don't know when the contract comes up for renewal, but I don't think it can be renewed at the same rate.
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In 2011 the deal was struck for 20 years. While it lost a lot of money the first five years their deal with Direct TV has done a lot for their bottom line. It's not losing as much money as it used to with the increase in subscription numbers.

Texas is one of the few schools I'd give a chance at succeeding as an independent (as long as they've got their network.) It's getting too a point of asking what does the Big 12 do for Texas football?
 
TerryP said:
In 2011 the deal was struck for 20 years. While it lost a lot of money the first five years their deal with Direct TV has done a lot for their bottom line. It's not losing as much money as it used to with the increase in subscription numbers.

Texas is one of the few schools I'd give a chance at succeeding as an independent (as long as they've got their network.) It's getting too a point of asking what does the Big 12 do for Texas football?
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What schools will play Texas if they don't have to? As an independent, Texas would have to pay each visiting school to play. Even Notre Dame has moved away from a true independent and plays six(?) ACC conference games each year. IMO, the Longhorn Network will make or break Texas. There has to be some point where both sides can negotiate their way out of it.
 
OldPlayer said:
What schools will play Texas if they don't have to? As an independent, Texas would have to pay each visiting school to play. Even Notre Dame has moved away from a true independent and plays six(?) ACC conference games each year. IMO, the Longhorn Network will make or break Texas. There has to be some point where both sides can negotiate their way out of it.
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Considering how many schools would love to get into Texas to a greater degree than they are already, I can see a lot of schools lining up for a chance to play Texas. Notre Dame does schedule five ACC games per year but they're also sliding Michigan State and Michigan back in these next two years. I can easily see OU still playing Texas, A&M is likely as well. Give them a neutral site opener and their normal four "give-me" games and they'd just be looking for a few holes to fill.

How many teams do you think would consider a home and home with Texas? I think quite a few.
 
TerryP said:
Considering how many schools would love to get into Texas to a greater degree than they are already, I can see a lot of schools lining up for a chance to play Texas. Notre Dame does schedule five ACC games per year but they're also sliding Michigan State and Michigan back in these next two years. I can easily see OU still playing Texas, A&M is likely as well. Give them a neutral site opener and their normal four "give-me" games and they'd just be looking for a few holes to fill.

How many teams do you think would consider a home and home with Texas? I think quite a few.
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While a home-and-home may sound appealing, a team can make more money by getting into a neutral site game. Texas wouldn't want to schedule too many home-and-homes games with "quality" teams because it lessens their chance of getting into the playoffs (they already make a ton of money so financials are the driver). Those that would want the home-and-home would be the Iowa States of the world that need a marquise name to boost attendance in their home stadium. One of the reasons Texas isn't a favorite to join the SEC is because it would rekindle the Texas v A&M rivalry that Texas quit after A&M moved to the SEC.
 
OldPlayer said:
One of the reasons Texas isn't a favorite to join the SEC is because it would rekindle the Texas v A&M rivalry that Texas quit after A&M moved to the SEC.
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I'm not 100% convinced the "Texas quit" narrative is the whole story. Beat writers, especially those that cover the Longhorns, have been very loose with the truth since their appearance in the BCS (and subsequent downfall.) I know guys like Ketchum have put out that idea. I don't know who they are getting it from; if anyone. I suspect it's booster(s) source(s) versus people in their administration.

(Let's not forget this is the same group talking about how Saban's wife and daughter where in Texas house hunting. Let's not forget this is the group that said, "ESPN is reporting" when in fact they had gone on a local ESPN affiliate and started the story. Yes, literally citing themselves as a source from ESPN.

Personally, I don't see any reason for Texas to join the SEC. Financially, their network covers what we see most schools getting from conference revenue.

OldPlayer said:
While a home-and-home may sound appealing, a team can make more money by getting into a neutral site game. Texas wouldn't want to schedule too many home-and-homes games with "quality" teams because it lessens their chance of getting into the playoffs (they already make a ton of money so financials are the driver
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It's my opinion if there is another school that can pull off being an Independent like Notre Dame, it's Texas. Now, that comes with a BIG if...and it would require the playoff committee putting out a clause similar to the one Notre Dame has about getting in the playoffs. (FWIW, BYU is another I think could pull it off IF they spend their resources wisely.)

I would love to see what kind of out-clauses ESPN / Texas have built into the contracts. I assume there are a few, ya know? I can see ESPN wanting to restructure. I can't see Texas wanting to do the same unless they are forced to do so.
 
TerryP said:
It's my opinion if there is another school that can pull off being an Independent like Notre Dame, it's Texas. Now, that comes with a BIG if...and it would require the playoff committee putting out a clause similar to the one Notre Dame has about getting in the playoffs. (FWIW, BYU is another I think could pull it off IF they spend their resources wisely.)
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Notre Dame independence is not as inviting as the bowl era. They've pulled it off in the BCS era, but even then felt it necessary to snuggle up to the ACC to fill out their schedule. It remains to be seen if they can thrive in the playoff era. I don't believe Texas can come up with an independent schedule, void of a 13th game, southwest tradition, FCS schools, and accomplish their goals in the new age we're living. ND is showing serious signs of capitulation themselves and living in a time where just getting to the playoffs is what it's all about, it would seem like the wrong time for anyone to do a solo.
 

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