🏈 Remember Turner Field?

[OldPlayer]

Remember when the Braves left Turner Field? Remember how Georgia State took over and were going to convert the stadium to a football stadium? Looks like all they did was squeeze a football field into it.

The plan:
Georgia State’s $53M Turner Field redevelopment plan approved

The reality:
LOOK: Turner Field has officially transformed for Georgia State football

 

[planomateo]

Wasn't that the plan the whole time?

 

[BamaFan334]

They'll pack that place with about 3,000 people every gameday.

 

[alabama mike]

They'll pack that place with about 3,000 people every gameday.

Thinking the same thing.

 

[planomateo]

Overall record is 20-62 since turning the lights on in 2010. 12k butts in the stand on average last year...

UAB would kill for that kind of attendance :bolt:

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Probably one of the nicer stdiums in the conference though...

 

[OldPlayer]

Wasn't that the plan the whole time?

In this picture it looks like the plan was to remove the right field stands (on the near right in the picture). In reality, all they did was add bleachers inside the right field stands leaving a lot of seats with no value. I don't expect any of the upper deck to be used.

 

[BamaFan334]

Overall record is 20-62 since turning the lights on in 2010. 12k butts in the stand on average last year...

UAB would kill for that kind of attendance :bolt:

Almost a 50% change from the past year, which us in Atlanta believe to be more of the true statistic (2015 numbers). We'll see if they can maintain it. They can't even get their own students to come to the games. This is the issue with Atlanta, they funnel all of this money into projects thinking it will revitalize the area, but turns out to be a major waste of money. The Turner Field-Georgia State deal, the big ferris wheel, the towncars that go around town, and I'm even willing to throw in the Beltline. The Beltline has increased values in neighborhoods not many can afford as it is, but I don't see it as revitalizing the decimated parts of the town.

 

[planomateo]

In this picture it looks like the plan was to remove the right field stands (on the near right in the picture). In reality, all they did was add bleachers inside the right field stands leaving a lot of seats with no value. I don't expect any of the upper deck to be used.

Perhaps they couldn't get it all done in an off-season or they just didn't have all the funding?

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Almost a 50% change from the past year, which us in Atlanta believe to be more of the true statistic (2015 numbers). We'll see if they can maintain it. They can't even get their own students to come to the games. This is the issue with Atlanta, they funnel all of this money into projects thinking it will revitalize the area, but turns out to be a major waste of money. The Turner Field-Georgia State deal, the big ferris wheel, the towncars that go around town, and I'm even willing to throw in the Beltline. The Beltline has increased values in neighborhoods not many can afford as it is, but I don't see it as revitalizing the decimated parts of the town.

The folks who mandated affordable housing along the Beltline have lamented that the buyers of affordable housing have sold for huge gains after three years of ownership. I agree that the Beltline alone won't help property values or quality of life, but it is a factor. Midtown was on the rise well before the Beltline came into being, with a huge boost from Georgia Tech's expansion, and infill and expansion continues at a rapid clip. There are a dozen or so projects within four blocks of me, including a 50 or 60 story building, a couple of five to seven story, and the remainder in the 22 to 25 story range.

 

[BamaFan334]

The folks who mandated affordable housing along the Beltline have lamented that the buyers of affordable housing have sold for huge gains after three years of ownership. I agree that the Beltline alone won't help property values or quality of life, but it is a factor. Midtown was on the rise well before the Beltline came into being, with a huge boost from Georgia Tech's expansion, and infill and expansion continues at a rapid clip. There are a dozen or so projects within four blocks of me, including a 50 or 60 story building, a couple of five to seven story, and the remainder in the 22 to 25 story range.

There's plenty of money in Atlanta, thetr is no arguing that. The issue is that thete is still a ton of crime at Georgia Tech, Georgia State, and a lot of other parts. Turner Field will not revitalize the area, and will continue to waste money developing as Battery type environment over there. Underground Atlanta and Atlantic Station are prime examples of money being wasted on big developments meant to revitalize. They work for a few years, then fall. And no one in their 20's-mid 30's can afford to live in Midtown. The prices are outrageous, and with all the lude acts and crimes in and around Piedmont Park, those folks can have it in my eyes. I have a biased opinion on top of it all, because I hate Atlanta. The traffic in itself is just awful and pathetic.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

There's plenty of money in Atlanta, thetr is no arguing that. The issue is that thete is still a ton of crime at Georgia Tech, Georgia State, and a lot of other parts. Turner Field will not revitalize the area, and will continue to waste money developing as Battery type environment over there. Underground Atlanta and Atlantic Station are prime examples of money being wasted on big developments meant to revitalize. They work for a few years, then fall. And no one in their 20's-mid 30's can afford to live in Midtown. The prices are outrageous, and with all the lude acts and crimes in and around Piedmont Park, those folks can have it in my eyes. I have a biased opinion on top of it all, because I hate Atlanta. The traffic in itself is just awful and pathetic.

I'm going to have to disagree about young folks living in Midtown. The median ages of the two zip codes I straddle at the office (30309 and 30306) are 34.8 and 36 years old, and the median incomes are $72,000 and $83,000, respectively. There are about 40,000 people living in these two Midtown zip codes (parts of three more zip codes include portions of what I consider Midtown), and I see very few kids and tons of millennials down here. Most of these kids have college degrees and they are making very good money.

This website has a little different information for what it considers Midtown, but it's similar in demographics (age 32.4, income $92,000). The most amazing statistic is that over three quarters of the population has either an undergraduate (43 percent) or graduate (35 percent) degree.

Midtown Demographics & Statistics — Employment, Education, Income Averages, Crime in Midtown — Point2 Homes

RTR,

Tim

 

[alabama mike]

@BamaFan334 isn't the area around Turner Field unsafe or is that rumor?

 

[It Takes Eleven]

@BamaFan334 isn't the area around Turner Field unsafe or is that rumor?

I wouldn't go down there. Turner Field is about three or four miles south of where I consider Midtown to start. It's actually south of I-20, a mile or so south of the capital.

I didn't mention crime in my overview of Midtown. It's off the charts for robbery, and significantly above national averages for almost everything. More full-time residents have led to more crime victims, for sure.

 

[PurlJam]

They'll pack that place with about 3,000 people every gameday.

Approximately 50% more than UAB.

 

[BamaFan334]

I'm going to have to disagree about young folks living in Midtown. The median ages of the two zip codes I straddle at the office (30309 and 30306) are 34.8 and 36 years old, and the median incomes are $72,000 and $83,000, respectively. There are about 40,000 people living in these two Midtown zip codes (parts of three more zip codes include portions of what I consider Midtown), and I see very few kids and tons of millennials down here. Most of these kids have college degrees and they are making very good money.

This website has a little different information for what it considers Midtown, but it's similar in demographics (age 32.4, income $92,000). The most amazing statistic is that over three quarters of the population has either an undergraduate (43 percent) or graduate (35 percent) degree.

Midtown Demographics & Statistics — Employment, Education, Income Averages, Crime in Midtown — Point2 Homes

RTR,

Tim

I don't consider 35 and 36 years old terribly young. I mean, compared to 70, yes, but at that age you should technically be in the "family" years and almost 15 years out of college with professional experience. You're about to hit your 20 year high school reunion. I guess I also consider renting an apartment not the best investment and not ownership. I mean, I can go live in Los Angeles and rent and struggle, but we all know the real money is in ownership. Sure, there are plenty of people out there in their late 20's and younger 30's that are financially stable and can afford a lot, but statistics also show a troubling trend of college graduates moving back in with their folks because they can't afford to buy anywhere. I know I lived in Midtown when I was at Kennesaw State before going to Alabama, paying sky high rent without a pot to piss in. Atlanta pays the best wages in Georgia, that's a fact I'm sure, college graduates are making more money in this economy, sure, but they are not forking out $700,000-$1,000,000 for a 3-4 bedroom house under 2,500 square foot. It's the people that are in their 50's-60's that are doing that. As I said before, maybe I'm just too biased, but just because you rent downtown doesn't make the area anymore affordable or the area more revitalized. I wouldn't consider where 85 collapsed technically "Midtown", but it's not very far at all and that was a homeless guy doing drugs under the bridge. Which brought to light the homeless epidemic in downtown Atlanta. But hey, I hope I am proven wrong and that the area swings in the right direction, because I hate driving downtown and looking at dilapidated crap, homeless folks, and signs of a city that used to be alive. They need to work on the area by the new Mercedes Benz stadium too, because you walk away from there and you're in a bad area.

 

[BamaFan334]

@BamaFan334 isn't the area around Turner Field unsafe or is that rumor?

@It Takes Eleven summed it up. I would not go there at night. I've personally seen a guy bust a window out during the day time and break into a car, but the day time is not near as bad as night time. I went to the last game at Turner Field, because I was actually lucky enough to go to the first, so the atmosphere wasn't terrible, but I did get hit up about six times on my short walk to the stadium for money. My grandfather was born in a house a block from Turner Field, so I would definitely love for it to pick back up into a decent neighborhood, but it's going to take more than a football stadium and high end shops that people around there can't afford to do it. Gonna take money to build the community and focus on decreasing crime. Unfortunately the developing aspect will likely create real estate very few can afford, but sometimes I guess that's what it takes to get the bad out and the good in.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I don't consider 35 and 36 years old terribly young. I mean, compared to 70, yes, but at that age you should technically be in the "family" years and almost 15 years out of college with professional experience. You're about to hit your 20 year high school reunion. I guess I also consider renting an apartment not the best investment and not ownership. I mean, I can go live in Los Angeles and rent and struggle, but we all know the real money is in ownership. Sure, there are plenty of people out there in their late 20's and younger 30's that are financially stable and can afford a lot, but statistics also show a troubling trend of college graduates moving back in with their folks because they can't afford to buy anywhere. I know I lived in Midtown when I was at Kennesaw State before going to Alabama, paying sky high rent without a pot to piss in. Atlanta pays the best wages in Georgia, that's a fact I'm sure, college graduates are making more money in this economy, sure, but they are not forking out $700,000-$1,000,000 for a 3-4 bedroom house under 2,500 square foot. It's the people that are in their 50's-60's that are doing that. As I said before, maybe I'm just too biased, but just because you rent downtown doesn't make the area anymore affordable or the area more revitalized. I wouldn't consider where 85 collapsed technically "Midtown", but it's not very far at all and that was a homeless guy doing drugs under the bridge. Which brought to light the homeless epidemic in downtown Atlanta. But hey, I hope I am proven wrong and that the area swings in the right direction, because I hate driving downtown and looking at dilapidated crap, homeless folks, and signs of a city that used to be alive. They need to work on the area by the new Mercedes Benz stadium too, because you walk away from there and you're in a bad area.

Come on, you said "no one in their 20's-mid 30's can afford to live in Midtown". Half of the people living in Midtown are younger than 35, that's the median age. As I said, most are young professionals with very few kids to skew the universe toward minors. I'm not defending Midtown, the crime alone is enough reason for me to not live here - besides, I enjoy a little elbow room. I'm just saying there are hoards of young folks in their 20's to mid-30's living in Midtown. That's all. I live in Kennesaw, and there are homeless and folks trying to exist in weekly stay places out there. You can find anything negative about any area.

 

[OldPlayer]

@BamaFan334 isn't the area around Turner Field unsafe or is that rumor?

There's nothing there so if you're "hanging out," the only thing that you can find is trouble. When Georgia State announced the redevelopment of Turner Field, it was supposed to include offices, shops and restaurants and become a place similar to SunTrust Park (the new Braves stadium) where you could go even if there isn't a game going on. That hasn't developed yet.

 

[BamaFan334]

Come on, you said "no one in their 20's-mid 30's can afford to live in Midtown". Half of the people living in Midtown are younger than 35, that's the median age. As I said, most are young professionals with very few kids to skew the universe toward minors. I'm not defending Midtown, the crime alone is enough reason for me to not live here - besides, I enjoy a little elbow room. I'm just saying there are hoards of young folks in their 20's to mid-30's living in Midtown. That's all. I live in Kennesaw, and there are homeless and folks trying to exist in weekly stay places out there. You can find anything negative about any area.

Guess I should have clarified in the beginning. Anyone can rent an apartment, I mean that the younger generation cannot afford the homes, much like over in Buckhead. I'm willing to bet money these younger folks you mention are not scooping up real estate, they're renting. It's too expensive to buy. Sure, there are always the exception to the rule, but as a whole they're not buying. The high rises you speak of can hold thousands of people, so the age can be skewed, but I am willing to say that the average age of ownership is way higher than the age median you presented. Maybe the rental market will be able to overcome the area and sustain a higher level income earner and bring the city back. I hate that urban feel as it's just not for me, but I do want for a peaceful and happy area where anyone and everyone can live in peace. I sound like a flower power hippie there, but I do want shit to get cleaned up in Atlanta.

There are homeless people everywhere, but don't think Atlanta does not have more than anywhere else in the state and that it isn't a major problem throughout the downtown area. I used to take Chick-Fil-A biscuits to a few guys sleeping on benches in Buckhead where a guy on the other side of the wall probably makes $250,000 a year, so yeah it happens everywhere, but downtown is awful. People move to Kennesaw to live in that bubble of security, good schools, nice stores, lack of suspicious characters, and other income earners like their selves. You do not get these kind of opportunities in urban areas like Atlanta like you do in the suburbs, unless you want to send your kid to Pace Academy, Marist, Holy Innocence, Westminster, Woodward Academy etc, and then add that huge price tag onto the huge housing price tag. We've met, I voiced my want to move to Kennesaw from Dallas. I couldn't afford East Cobb, and technically couldn't afford anything worth a crap in West Cobb that didn't need a ton of work, because every new neighborhood popping up is in the $400-$700,000 range. We made the collective decision to move to Madison and I took a job in Conyers. Hoping it will turn into the next Kennesaw or Monroe from a house value prospective, but I'm with you in that I love my elbow room, and I appreciate the lack of looking over my shoulder getting out of my car every day.