šŸˆ Release of SEC schedule rotation provides Nick Saban one last chance to 'sing the same song'

If there's been one theme to Nick Saban's pre-Crimson Caravan meetings with reporters over the past month, it's scheduling.

From the first to the last, the Alabama coach typically has been asked to share his thoughts, theories or reaction to the latest developments in the SEC scheduling world, which has experienced some much-desired clarity in recent weeks.

On Monday, the SEC released its schedule of rotating opponents through 2025. Roughly 24 hours later, he reacted to the quirks he anticipated while stumping for an expanded, nine-game conference schedule.

"I'm still of the belief that we should play more conference games," Saban said before his appearance at the Cahaba Grand Conference Center. "I think we don't play Florida again until 2022 or whatever after next year, which, I think our players come to the SEC to play SEC schools. Florida has a great program and that's one of the games that our players look forward to playing so I wish we could play the teams on the other side more often."

Saban was a year off, but it doesn't diminish the point he's tried to drive home for months.

After Alabama hosts the Gators on Sept. 20, the teams won't square off during the regular season until 2021. When the Crimson Tide travels to South Carolina in 2019, it will mark the first regular season game between the teams since 2010. When the Gamecocks return the favor in 2024, it will be their first trip to Bryant-Denny Stadium in 15 years.

One of Saban's top talking points for nine SEC games centered on how it would enable a four-year player to square off against every conference team at least once during his career. Keeping the schedule at eight conference games while maintaining permanent rivals -- the latter of which Saban strongly supports -- eliminates nearly half of the opposite division from a player's career.

"I'm not here to be critical of anything that's been done," Saban said. "I've been saying all along that I wanted to play nine games and I wanted to keep our game with Tennessee because it's an important game and play two teams on the other side so that the players would play more teams faster. There would be like a four-year rotation or whatever and everybody would have a chance to play everybody in their career, or just about everybody.

"I'm not changing anything. I'm still singing the same song I was singing a year ago. And I still believe it's the best thing for the league."

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Am I the only one who hears "singing the same old song" and can't think of a situation where it didn't imply the feelings of "being tired of hearing this, again?"

In most cases it's a solid bet the editor is one putting out these headlines. It's my understanding Al.com doesn't use editors for their online content. Unless they've changed their in house publishing policy I have to wonder why Gribble doesn't get this NEEDS to be brought up; repeatedly.
 
I have a question... Am I the only one thinking that this format is going to lead to the further inflation of secondary market ticket prices? With teams only visiting once every nine years or so it's going to create a rarity that drives demand and ticket prices to astronomical values. It doesn't help the league or schools because it is secondary ticket brokers that are getting all of the tickets for face value from the schools and that are pocketing the cash with their markups. I know the SEC and Alabama probably don't give a darn, but as a fan with kids I would like to raise around our Crimson Tide, it doesn't look very favorable or affordable that I'd be able to do that, especially since Tide Pride has 30,000 on the waiting list.

It stinks we basically only get one shot to see Spurrier coach against us at Bryant-Denny again, ever. Highly doubt he'll be around in 15-20 years when they come back (sarcasm). Also stinks we won't get to see certain players that were highly recruited on the East side of the conference. Of course we can travel and go see our boys play away, but for most fans it's more difficult and not always an option. This format puts a lot of people in a difficult spot, especially those of us that like variety and want to beat the best.
 
@BamaFan334 Your point, along with your frustration, are both valid and understandable. However, putting it on ticket brokers is misplaced.

Brokers have agreements in place with bowl committees. (The last time I spoke with one they weren't sure how it was going to work itself out now that the selection committee is choosing teams for the "big games." One is a member here...I'll see if I can get him to stop by.) If a ticket broker is selling tickets for regular season games in Tuscaloosa he's getting them through Tide Pride—so he's paying that "seat fee" as well.

The majority of those tickets sold in TicketHub, et al, are being done from fans who are members of Tide Pride.
 
not sure how much info. I can presently provide.

The new SEOC or Playoff Committee is as convoluted as a mess that I have ever seen with regards to Bowl games, and bowl selection. I do know that the Cotton is bemoaning the fact that they had chosen to be the first NC location for that game. Take a quick look around at the listing prices for NC tickets for this next year. Unbelievable. I am beginning to think that most fans who would have taken that once in a lifetime trip, may now resort to going to the playoff games in stead.

yes, there has been an agreement in theory in the past with various bowls/brokers. The brokers were used as an insurance in case of getting horrible matchups, while giving the brokers better seats, perks, and sometimes a bit more. Much of this is changing to the chagrin of the bowls and brokers themselves. The conferences and SEOC are taking control of many aspects of the process, and mucking it up from the beginning. Forcing the bowls to offer only the best tickets to the schools first. Which at first seems great for those universities and their fans who donated to get the tix. However, it leaves the less desirable seats that quite frankly, many times will go unsold. Stadiums that used to pack 60thousand will be left with many empty seats for television. And the pricing model has outdone itself. The Liberty is jumping from 50.00 a ticket for all seats other than box, to 85.00 for sideline seats in just one year to remain an SEC Qualified bowl. Percent wise, that is a fairly large change. The others have followed.

Back to the NC game tickets. 50yd line seats including drinks, meals, parking, visits with past players etc are face value priced at around 2grand. The last 50yd line seats I sold were to ND fans for 1200.00 each. List... 325.00!

The business model is changing quickly all around. For the first time in years, I am dropping tix. For the first time in years the Cotton Bowl lost money for all brokers and the majority of the suites were dark in DCS or ATT Stadium now. This took officials and brokers by surprise.


One conversation I had with a bowl director, went like this.

Phone Call...
"We are hoping you are planning to continue supporting our game and are offering a trip for you to come visit"
Me "Interested, but would rather know what is changing first"
Them "Well, the conference is requiring the movement of tix, where the tix you had will have to be given to them first. But we will give you the best available"
Me "Not interested, I have supported you for years and advertised with you, sponsored your marketing to other folks, I should be able to keep my seats"
Them "We don't think that will be possible" "Would you accept tickets on the 20 yd line, row 65"
Me "No, Just drop my tickets.
Them, "OK, we are sorry it didn't work out"
HANGS UP!
30 min later.
Called Again.
"We might be able to work something out, how many would you want"
Me "500"
Them "We will keep your current seats, if you can purchase them by (Set Date)! Prior to the agreement signing with the conference"
Me, "Deal"!

Crazy Indeed!
 
One other thing. I dislike the 9 game schedule NS is proposing for obvious reasons. Bowl fulfillment. Look, I agree there are way too many bowls. But let's be real here. They are a good source of income overall for the conference and the schools as a whole. We need to fill that allotment on a yearly basis. Not doing so harms the financial progression of all conference schools. a team like Arkansas right now, needs all the wins they can muster for the future strength of the school and the SEC!
 
Continued. Yes, there has to be bottom teams in any conference, however we beat the stuffing out o each other while Wisky this season could actually make a playoff with their schedule. Horrible!

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09/06/14vs. Western IllinoisCamp Randall StadiumTBA
09/20/14vs. Bowling GreenCamp Randall StadiumTBA
09/27/14vs. South FloridaCamp Randall StadiumTBA
10/04/14at Northwestern *Evanston, Ill.TBA
10/11/14vs. IllinoisCamp Randall StadiumTBA
10/25/14vs. Maryland *Camp Randall Stadium11:00 a.m. CT
11/01/14at Rutgers *Piscataway, N.J.11:00 a.m. CT
11/08/14at Purdue *West Lafayette, Ind.TBA
11/15/14vs. Nebraska *Camp Randall StadiumTBA
11/22/14at Iowa *Iowa City, IowaTBA
11/29/14vs. Minnesota *Camp Randall StadiumTBA
12/06/14Big Ten Championship
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One other thing. I dislike the 9 game schedule NS is proposing for obvious reasons. Bowl fulfillment. Look, I agree there are way too many bowls. But let's be real here. They are a good source of income overall for the conference and the schools as a whole. We need to fill that allotment on a yearly basis. Not doing so harms the financial progression of all conference schools. a team like Arkansas right now, needs all the wins they can muster for the future strength of the school and the SEC!

I've seen people mention this and I can't side with them on it being a reason not to go to a nine game schedule.

It does mean we'll have teams with one more loss; seven teams with another loss. Just how many teams will that keep out of a bowl game?

In 2013 Miss. State finished the season at 6-6. 2012 had Ole Miss at 6-6. 2011 it was Vandy and Mississippi State again. We've got the Liberty Bowl, Music City Bowl, and Compass Bowl. The biggest payout among those three bowls is the Music City (2013-2014 numbers) at a little under 1.84 million—split 15 ways. Now we're looking at a figure of less than a quarter of a million per school. There's a number that the school that misses a bowl game due to a nine game schedule will spend in excess of just to attend the bowl game.

On the flip side of the coin. Those same schools are now hosting five SEC games every other year. If we assume they missed two consecutive bowl games (a half of a million in revenue) they'll end up ahead in the end due to hosting another SEC game. Heck, ticket revenue alone would likely cover that number.

SEC revenue was up a reported 41 million in 2013. The network comes into play in 2014.

See where I'm going here Rev?

Yes, we'd likely lose a team to a lower bowl. But, not going to a nine game schedule while citing revenue as the primary reason? The numbers simply don't support that theory in 2014 and beyond.
 
Hog invasion....

Invited.

I shot him a text about this thread an hour or so ago and asked his opinions. He's a ticket broker.

BTW Terry p will offer a rebuttal of sorts in a few mins. Please disregard all statistics and logical deductions

LOL! Joking Terry! WPS!

Hrrmm...posted nine minutes after I shot you that text saying "I'm going to disagree..."

A preacher? Yes, you are. A prophet? :naught:
 
@BamaFan334 Your point, along with your frustration, are both valid and understandable. However, putting it on ticket brokers is misplaced.

Brokers have agreements in place with bowl committees. (The last time I spoke with one they weren't sure how it was going to work itself out now that the selection committee is choosing teams for the "big games." One is a member here...I'll see if I can get him to stop by.) If a ticket broker is selling tickets for regular season games in Tuscaloosa he's getting them through Tide Pride—so he's paying that "seat fee" as well.

The majority of those tickets sold in TicketHub, et al, are being done from fans who are members of Tide Pride.

I understand that, and I hate that recent alumni like myself will probably never get the opportunity to buy season tickets, yet you have a lot of people getting rid of their season tickets to these brokers. I understand folks may not be able to make every single game, so there are going to be instances. I just feel like the $75,000 I paid to the University of Alabama for an education and the money I am willing to donate back should give me an opportunity atleast to be considered for some tickets. After all, it’s the students that even make this whole entire thing possible, school and football that is. One of these days I hope to have the $20,000 I can donate and be automatically admitted to Tide pride, but not sure how many recent graduates with kids can afford such a thing.
I know I’m just sour grapes, but I feel as if I have a valid argument here. I am a firm believer in capitalism and a free market, so this doesn’t mean I hate ticket brokers, I just feel the university should change its policy and start tracking those that are only out to make a profit and keeping actual alumni out of what we helped build in essence. Brokers are just doing business, albeit jacking prices up, but demand allows for that, so I understand. I don’t know many folks that aren’t in Tide Pride that can actually afford $250-300 a ticket to an Alabama SEC game, much less bringing your wife or kids. All of this could be handled in a much better way by the university of you ask me.
 
I agree with everything BamaFan334 said. It is absolutely ridiculous on every level. I was not a fan of brokers myself until I understood the system. and how that bowls, and even some schools would suffer financially without this investment. It is crazy to consider. I went through two horrible years with one specific bowl, losing money at every level to get to the point I am now with that organization.

Terry,
One quick point. The Liberty is no longer considered a bottom feeder bowl. They have moved into pool play. All school not in the playoff or Sugar are now placed in a pool and chosen with regards to travel time, fan participation, bowl attendance, etc. All of these pool bowl will payout the same amount and it will be much more than you listed above now!

Yes... Things have changed, I am not sure for the better yet! I do see the government getting involved in the future with the amount of $$$$ the new system will rake in at the expense of normal fans not being able to see a game unless it is on the SEC network. And now the ATT/Direct situation adds a little more uncertainty.
 
Terry,
One quick point. The Liberty is no longer considered a bottom feeder bowl. They have moved into pool play. All school not in the playoff or Sugar are now placed in a pool and chosen with regards to travel time, fan participation, bowl attendance, etc. All of these pool bowl will payout the same amount and it will be much more than you listed above now!

I've seen mention of the pool play but I wasn't aware of it being a done deal now. Thanks for that bit of info! IF I'm reading you correctly, you're saying the Gator and Liberty will have the same payout this post season? There was almost a 2 million dollar difference in their payouts last year. If that's the case, is it a correct assumption we'll see the Gator pay less in order for the Liberty to pay more?

Basing selection on fan participation, travel, etc. is something that should have been considered and one years ago. Again, if I'm reading this correctly, we're not going to be seeing the Gator get the #6 SEC team? It'll just be a random selection to who goes where?

btw, I like the new layout.. Still figuring some of it out. The Quote function didn't work for me for some reason, and yes.. I am an idiot! :)

Reply quotes the message, + Quote is the multi quote option.
 
@BamaFan334 Believe you me, I do understand where you're coming from and by no means read it like it's sour grapes. People getting eight tickets when they're personally using two and selling six...doesn't sit right with me, either. It's not like someone wouldn't and couldn't afford to get off the waiting list and take those four...

Is what it is...
 
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