šŸˆ Question: What is happening with USCw and the NCAA?

'65 Cobra

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I haven't heard anything new on the NCAA's investigation of USCw's potential infractions and was wondering if anyone knew the latest. Considering how harsh and strict the NCAA has been towards us recently, I would be pretty peaved if USC walks away with a slap on the wrist. Anybody know any news on this?
 
I haven't heard anything new on the NCAA's investigation of USCw's potential infractions and was wondering if anyone knew the latest. Considering how harsh and strict the NCAA has been towards us recently, I would be pretty peaved if USC walks away with a slap on the wrist. Anybody know any news on this?

I think the NCAA gave USCw an award for getting away with it for so long....
 
I heard on the radio yesterday that they seem to expect something from the NCAA maybe Thursday of this week or the following week. Traditionally, the NCAA likes to hand down their sentences on a Thursday. I guess that either gets your party started early or it gets you to drinking your blues a way quicker.
 
Here's what I think:

It's been four years since the NCAA investigation into USC began. In January of this year the investigation was complete. The Committee on Infractions met February 19- 21 and presumably discussed the findings of that investigation. The fact that the NCAA set a date for a hearing indicates that they have already found allegations of wrongdoing and notified USC of those findings and that USC was given 90 days to respond and has responded to the allegations. According to " typical NCAA procedures" if there was a decision by the COI to punish USC in any way, an announcement would be made six to eight weeks after that February hearing.

Pete Carroll's only defense has been the implausible claim that USC couldn't be guilty of anything because they didn't know it was going on. But what does he care? He flew the coop as the storm troopers made their way in. Pete Carroll, who was photographed in his own locker room with the infamous sports agents of record, took the coward's way out. Lane Kiffin, in his original way, has echoed the sentiments of Pete Carroll. It's as if neither of them are bright enough to understand the meaning of "Lack of Institutional Control."

In the meantime everybody at USC has used the "deny, deny, deny" defense. And fans of USC bemoan the injustice of punishing players who were in junior high or high school when the offenses occurred. They are right. Those punishments aren't fair, but they were never fair—including in 2002 when it happened to players at Alabama. The only injustice to beat it would be if innocent Alabama teams suffered scholarship losses, post-season bans, and the resultant mediocre seasons for years after 2002, and innocent USC teams in 2010 and onward for a while do not.

Now the NCAA has a problem on its hands.

The University of Alabama self-reported its 2007 textbook problem as soon as they knew about it and took it on the chin. In that case, textbooks were acquired by student athletes for their friends, but no money was exchanged. And the textbooks had to be turned in to the school or paid for at the end of each semester. UA voluntarily benched the football players involved until the NCAA gave them leave to put the players back on the field. Textbook distribution policies and procedures were tightened to eliminate the possibility of "unfair advantage" in the future. And still the NCAA vacated 21 of Alabama's wins from that period, threatened the death penalty, and left them on probation.

If the NCAA COI slams the profitable powerhouse USC with the punishment they deserve, it will be a blow to the coffers of the NCAA and BCS. But if USC is allowed to skate after they have demonstrated such a lack of regard for the rules and then lied about it, the explosive reactions from across the country will shake the NCAA to its foundations.

Late in April, the typical eight weeks in which that NCAA news conference on USC punishments should have taken place elapsed. Today is May 22, so now 12 weeks have passed. The Tuesdays and Thursdays are rolling by. And the clock is still ticking. What is going on at the NCAA?
 
Here's what I think:

It's been four years since the NCAA investigation into USC began. In January of this year the investigation was complete. The Committee on Infractions met February 19- 21 and presumably discussed the findings of that investigation. The fact that the NCAA set a date for a hearing indicates that they have already found allegations of wrongdoing and notified USC of those findings and that USC was given 90 days to respond and has responded to the allegations. According to " typical NCAA procedures" if there was a decision by the COI to punish USC in any way, an announcement would be made six to eight weeks after that February hearing.

Pete Carroll's only defense has been the implausible claim that USC couldn't be guilty of anything because they didn't know it was going on. But what does he care? He flew the coop as the storm troopers made their way in. Pete Carroll, who was photographed in his own locker room with the infamous sports agents of record, took the coward's way out. Lane Kiffin, in his original way, has echoed the sentiments of Pete Carroll. It's as if neither of them are bright enough to understand the meaning of "Lack of Institutional Control."

In the meantime everybody at USC has used the "deny, deny, deny" defense. And fans of USC bemoan the injustice of punishing players who were in junior high or high school when the offenses occurred. They are right. Those punishments aren't fair, but they were never fair—including in 2002 when it happened to players at Alabama. The only injustice to beat it would be if innocent Alabama teams suffered scholarship losses, post-season bans, and the resultant mediocre seasons for years after 2002, and innocent USC teams in 2010 and onward for a while do not.

Now the NCAA has a problem on its hands.

The University of Alabama self-reported its 2007 textbook problem as soon as they knew about it and took it on the chin. In that case, textbooks were acquired by student athletes for their friends, but no money was exchanged. And the textbooks had to be turned in to the school or paid for at the end of each semester. UA voluntarily benched the football players involved until the NCAA gave them leave to put the players back on the field. Textbook distribution policies and procedures were tightened to eliminate the possibility of "unfair advantage" in the future. And still the NCAA vacated 21 of Alabama's wins from that period, threatened the death penalty, and left them on probation.

If the NCAA COI slams the profitable powerhouse USC with the punishment they deserve, it will be a blow to the coffers of the NCAA and BCS. But if USC is allowed to skate after they have demonstrated such a lack of regard for the rules and then lied about it, the explosive reactions from across the country will shake the NCAA to its foundations.

Late in April, the typical eight weeks in which that NCAA news conference on USC punishments should have taken place elapsed. Today is May 22, so now 12 weeks have passed. The Tuesdays and Thursdays are rolling by. And the clock is still ticking. What is going on at the NCAA?

Excellent post! I would hope that any other school that has been recently punished by the NCAA is also watching this proceeding very closely as well as the news media and not just UA. USC should be placed on probation, have wins vacated, and have a bowl ban for at least one year. It seems the NCAA has been especially harsh towards SEC schools. They need to show their "institutional control" by doling out equitable punishments and not cower to BCS or other political pressures. To quote Cartag again, "What is going on at the NCAA?" If they (USCw) are willing to pay Lane Kiffin $4MM and his dad another $2MM (who knows on Orgeron?), then how much did they have to pay the NCAA for its silence?

I hope we hear something on this in the next week or two, and if not, I am hoping that our national sports media starts making some noise about it.
 
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Thanks, Cobra. And what a good question. Why isn't the media more curious? Do they know something we don't? Seems unlikely, since reporters are pretty hard to silence. Unless a disclosure might cause less access to NCAA business in the future. Maybe they don't care.

Some, I think, are hoping all USC's trouble will just evaporate as if by magic and go away to bother them no further. I'd bet Dennis Dodd is praying for just such an eventuality, except as much as he hates Alabama I'm pretty sure he doesn't pray.
 
Reporters on the west coast are getting more curious by the day. I caught an article questioning timing earlier this morning.

Here's another opinion...

The OU investigation—included football and basketball situations—and those results were announced right at 90 days after their inquiry/meeting. Right now, USC is just over 90 days...

Take this into account...OU's questioning by the NCAA took one day. USC's took three.

Seems to me, even though this is a historically long investigation, that the timing of their (NCAA's) announcement is moving along on pace.
 
I was catching up on some old College football Live episodes last night (DVR is a wonderful thing) and they talked a little about the USC issue. What caught my attention....i guess I've never thought of it before....was what happens if they take wins away from USC. If they take wins away (including the 04' National Championship) who would be named the Champ? They were saying Auburn should be. I wouldnt want to get a championship like that but most aubs i bet would love it. Hell they have been claiming they won it anyway.
 
The NCAA can't take away the BCS championship.. all the NCAA can do is just not recognize it in their history books. I don't think the NCAA would even award another team the NC.. and if Auburn tried to claim it at that point they would HAVE to concede and quit the bitching about out 13 NC's :)
 
The NCAA can't take away the BCS championship.. all the NCAA can do is just not recognize it in their history books. I don't think the NCAA would even award another team the NC.. and if Auburn tried to claim it at that point they would HAVE to concede and quit the bitching about out 13 NC's :)

you might want to read this --> http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5206238. Personally, I think Auburn should have been in the MNC game (I know plenty of you will disagree). That being said, I can't see how Auburn would be given a NC, as they didn't play in the MNC game, I would say that Zero U gets the title, as they were the opponent, not Auburn.
 
you might want to read this --> http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5206238. Personally, I think Auburn should have been in the MNC game (I know plenty of you will disagree). That being said, I can't see how Auburn would be given a NC, as they didn't play in the MNC game, I would say that Zero U gets the title, as they were the opponent, not Auburn.

I should have said won't instead of can't... my error..
 
How will it be a blow to the coffers of the NCAA and BCS?

I agree with your confusion over how knocking down USC would affect the finances to the NCAA and BCS. But, it would have a huge impact on the total revenue generation to the Pac 10 - and maybe be felt in a small manner by the NCAA and BCS.

Theory goes that while the NCAA can hammer any one individual top tier school in the SEC (Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, LSU) or Big Ten (Michigan, Penn State, THE Ohio State University) or Big 12 (Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, aTm) there will be minimal loss of revenue to those conferences with one of their bell-cow programs damaged by probation since the depth of teams at the top would allow one or more other programs to step in and keep the conference strong.

Knock USC down and out for a while and who in the Pac 10 would step in their stead to draw TV ratings in their region? Much less across the country. While someone in Kentucky or Virginia might be interested in a Cal v. UCLA or a Oregon v. Oregon St. game for the conference lead with the backdrop of USC looming in the wings does anyone think either of those two contests would garner much interest east of the Rocky Mtns if USC is ineligible for the Pac 10 title due to probation or a loss of competitive ability due to sever sanctions?

So, in some perverse manner, the other nine schools in the Pac 10 are probably better off financially with USC skating on their past cheating and being the dominant on-the-field program in the future.
 
Or maybe I'm just plain wrong.

But it seems to me to be about who will watch what on TV. The broadcasting rights to USC football bring in quite a bit to the NCAA, as I understand it and likewise the BCS in bowl season. Would I watch USC play Oregon State in a regular season game? Yes, I would. And hope to spy little orange-clad running backs circling those stymied and confused golden boys of Kiffin's defense all the way past the goal line. Would I watch any other PAC 10 team in a bowl? Maybe, but what else is on? And what gives them the right to an automatic berth in a major bowl, come to think of it?

So if USC doesn't go to a bowl, those entities lose revenue. If USC goes through a valley of NCAA sanctions despair, those entities lose revenue.

Also, those NCAA and BSC execs make awfully big salaries, considering they work for non-profits. Not that USC's difficulties would ever change that. But it still ain't right.
 
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Consider:
"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...." The Declaration of Independence

Clearly no one is going to die and its not time to reach for a musket, but Jefferson penned the standard, our standard for address unjust governance.

Has the USC ruling come down to Money vs. Doing the Right Thing? Because if it has, then the NCAA is corrupt morally, failing the cause of Right and Just. Rulings of corrupt governing element thus are categorically unjust themselves. Unjust treatments were the catalyst that led to new governance for our people, created in an action justified as both a right and responsibility.

So Musketeers, will the call go out to replace the NCAA?
 
I agree with your confusion over how knocking down USC would affect the finances to the NCAA and BCS. But, it would have a huge impact on the total revenue generation to the Pac 10 - and maybe be felt in a small manner by the NCAA and BCS.

Theory goes that while the NCAA can hammer any one individual top tier school in the SEC (Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, LSU) or Big Ten (Michigan, Penn State, THE Ohio State University) or Big 12 (Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, aTm) there will be minimal loss of revenue to those conferences with one of their bell-cow programs damaged by probation since the depth of teams at the top would allow one or more other programs to step in and keep the conference strong.

Knock USC down and out for a while and who in the Pac 10 would step in their stead to draw TV ratings in their region? Much less across the country. While someone in Kentucky or Virginia might be interested in a Cal v. UCLA or a Oregon v. Oregon St. game for the conference lead with the backdrop of USC looming in the wings does anyone think either of those two contests would garner much interest east of the Rocky Mtns if USC is ineligible for the Pac 10 title due to probation or a loss of competitive ability due to sever sanctions?

So, in some perverse manner, the other nine schools in the Pac 10 are probably better off financially with USC skating on their past cheating and being the dominant on-the-field program in the future.

Oregon will fill that void.....starting this year.

This may the the year of the Duck!!
 
I was catching up on some old College football Live episodes last night (DVR is a wonderful thing) and they talked a little about the USC issue. What caught my attention....i guess I've never thought of it before....was what happens if they take wins away from USC. If they take wins away (including the 04' National Championship) who would be named the Champ? They were saying Auburn should be. I wouldnt want to get a championship like that but most aubs i bet would love it. Hell they have been claiming they won it anyway.

If they do, it would be funny.

While they toot their horn about that one, we are the CURRENT National Champions.........and could be adding to it!!:cool:
 
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