📡 PSA: Cell phones now have ability to track Covid-19 exposure

[rocknthefreeworld]

Non-smartphones can have firmware updates made to enable this same thing. Even without GPS or WIFI a rough location can be ascertained via triangulation methods. Matter of fact, it may be less transparent on a non-smartphone as users may not have access to any screens showing the feature.

 

[RollllTide!]

How do you remove it?

 

[BamaFan334]

@50+yeartidefan - Brother I can’t define “they” for you. It is a nebulous term and I apologize for any confusion. It is entertaining to deliver disturbing news and watch everyone pick apart the structure, grammar, or what have you but not deny the substance of it. Maybe I’m wrong but I run manual updates on my phone and control what goes on it. Give up your privacy for real or imagined protection, I don’t care.

"They" is anyone that can collect information on civilians and use it to make money or spy on you for gain. "They" can be Facebook, Google, NSA, CIA, a multitude of things, but definitely not people we want rooting around our personal lives.

 

[94 Grad]

@50+yeartidefan - Brother I can’t define “they” for you. It is a nebulous term and I apologize for any confusion. It is entertaining to deliver disturbing news and watch everyone pick apart the structure, grammar, or what have you but not deny the substance of it. Maybe I’m wrong but I run manual updates on my phone and control what goes on it. Give up your privacy for real or imagined protection, I don’t care.

"They" is anyone that can collect information on civilians and use it to make money or spy on you for gain. "They" can be Facebook, Google, NSA, CIA, a multitude of things, but definitely not people we want rooting around our personal lives.

I don't see any issue with using anonymous IDs via Bluetooth proximity to track covid-19. GPS data, yes... I see an issue, but bluetooth proximity on an opt in/out basis... no issues. The GPS data the cell phone and "google ad" people track on a daily basis that has nothing to do with Covid-19 is a different story.

 

[XXL TideFan]

How do you remove it?

Can’t. Would need to reflash the ROM with a different kernel but that ability has become virtually impossible since android 7 I think.

 

[94 Grad]

Non-smartphones can have firmware updates made to enable this same thing. Even without GPS or WIFI a rough location can be ascertained via triangulation methods. Matter of fact, it may be less transparent on a non-smartphone as users may not have access to any screens showing the feature.

It's not supposed to be used via GPS or Wifi nor is it supposed to be based of location. It is supposed to use Bluetooth Proximity and anonymous IDs on an opt in/out basis. "They" won't know who you are nor where you are nor whom you're near... only what ID's your ID is/was near in the last 2 weeks. I really don't see any issue in this and it could be a tremendous tool to help get us back to a more "normal" life. I'm sure Google tracks more sensitive information on us via web searches on our phones on a daily basis... that is what you should be worried about... not this covid-19 tracker, IMO.

 

[XXL TideFan]

It's not supposed to be used via GPS or Wifi nor is it supposed to be based of location. It is supposed to use Bluetooth Proximity and anonymous IDs on an opt in/out basis. "They" won't know who you are nor where you are nor whom you're near... only what ID's you were/are near. I really don't see any issue in this and it could be a tremendous tool to help get us back to a more "normal" life. I'm sure Google tracks more sensitive information on us via web searches on our phones on a daily basis... that is what you should be worried about... not this covid-19 tracker, IMO.

No offense intended but this bending the knee in submission is what has been wrong for far too long in this country. If the SHTF we would probably be on different sides.

 

[94 Grad]

No offense intended but this bending the knee in submission is what has been wrong for far too long in this country. If the SHTF we would probably be on different sides.

You bend the knee every time you turn on a computer, use a credit card, make a phone call... you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[XXL TideFan]

OK brother.

 

[rocknthefreeworld]

It's not supposed to be used via GPS or Wifi nor is it supposed to be based of location. It is supposed to use Bluetooth Proximity and anonymous IDs on an opt in/out basis. "They" won't know who you are nor where you are nor whom you're near... only what ID's your ID is/was near in the last 2 weeks. I really don't see any issue in this and it could be a tremendous tool to help get us back to a more "normal" life. I'm sure Google tracks more sensitive information on us via web searches on our phones on a daily basis... that is what you should be worried about... not this covid-19 tracker, IMO.

I hae worked extensively with similar systems. Of course anonymous data is not a problem, but consider that your info is not anonymous to your phone and therefore not anonymous to your phone company and Google/Apple. So they can easily figure out what ID go with what real person.

 

[RollllTide!]

I hae worked extensively with similar systems. Of course anonymous data is not a problem, but consider that your info is not anonymous to your phone and therefore not anonymous to your phone company and Google/Apple. So they can easily figure out what ID go with what real person.

This will be hacked by someone or they. Makes me want to go back to a CB radio. Breaker breaker one nine.

 

[OldPlayer]

or have a non-smartphone. that way, nothing can be downloaded onto it.

Are there any dumbphones left? Pretty much everything has a way to be tracked. If software updates can be downloaded, you have the ability to have tracking software installed.

 

[rick4bama]

When I start reading about this, I look couldn't find it. Till I look under my Goggles account.

 

[94 Grad]

I hae worked extensively with similar systems. Of course anonymous data is not a problem, but consider that your info is not anonymous to your phone and therefore not anonymous to your phone company and Google/Apple. So they can easily figure out what ID go with what real person.

Then you make laws and regulations with teeth for abuse and enforce it. GDPR does a real good job at that. You can't/won't live your life without opening yourself up to issues if you plan to keep using technology... or you could just go back to the dark ages and get off the grid completely. Your choice

 

[94 Grad]

Are there any dumbphones left? Pretty much everything has a way to be tracked. If software updates can be downloaded, you have the ability to have tracking software installed.

Dumb cell phones can be tracked... you have to use their towers to get connected. You can be triangulated. Everyone you do business with collects data on you... you're going to need to get off the grid completely if you're that worried about it.

Like I said before, Google knows more about where I go and what I do than this COVID-19 tracking app will... so if you're worried about it, you're barking up the wrong tree. We should be asking for strong laws to protect that private information similar to GDPR. Unfortunately, the corporate lobbyist will be fighting against that if they can....

 

[XXL TideFan]

Dumb cell phones can be tracked... you have to use their towers to get connected. You can be triangulated. Everyone you do business with collects data on you... you're going to need to get off the grid completely if you're that worried about it.

Like I said before, Google knows more about where I go and what I do than this COVID-19 tracking app will... so if you're worried about it, you're barking up the wrong tree. We should be asking for strong laws to protect that private information similar to GDPR. Unfortunately, the corporate lobbyist will be fighting against that if they can....

You have way more faith in the legal system than I.

 

[94 Grad]

You have way more faith in the legal system than I.

It's not about faith... they are tracking you already with everything you do. If you don't have any consumer protection in place, you're left to the wolves. At least with some protections in place you have a somewhat fighting chance... right now you have very little to zero rights.

You can fight, bitch and yell about this COVID-19 tracker all you won't... but they are tracking you with or without that app already... don't fool yourself.

 

[XXL TideFan]

It's not about faith... they are tracking you already with everything you do. If you don't have any consumer protection in place, you're left to the wolves. At least with some protections in place you have a somewhat fighting chance... right now you have very little to zero rights.

You can fight, bitch and yell about this COVID-19 tracker all you won't... but they are tracking you with or without that app already... don't fool yourself.

Never have been one to fool myself. This is a whole new level. I knew when we got the patriot act that our days were numbered.

 

[footballer]

What can't "THEY" do?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/world/how-the-nsa-is-tracking-people-right-now/634/

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[XXL TideFan]

Guys, I was in some advanced electronics in the navy in the mid 80s. The Navy had a van they could park outside of a building and could decipher electronic type writers being used. Tempest, if I remember. Deceptive Electronics Countermeasures (DECM) was my gig.

Your smart tv, cable box all spy on you. We proved a tv turned off could be used to eavesdrop back then. Your speaker operates like a microphone and will generate a feed back from noise in the room.