📡 Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam

[TUSKtimes]

I think the Miami Dolphins would have wanted Saban to finish his contract... And more relate-ably LSU before that.

The double standard between coaches and players is the bigger issue. I'm fine with the free agency aspect for players considering how their scholarships are only good on a yearly basis. But it's going to impact the game in a huge way... Including a lot more players getting cut if new transfers can now transfer in without penalty on a yearly basis.

That's because the coaches have graduated from college and are now in a business for themselves and the players are going to college to someday get into a business for themselves. I still laugh when I think about a concerned writer who marveled at a particular head coach's car compared to what the player was driving. Shouldn't the writer have compared the player's car to the one the head coach was driving when he was going to college? Reasonable points can be hard to come by when one is not equal to the other.

 

[Tidestalker]

That's because the coaches have graduated from college and are now in a business for themselves and the players are going to college to someday get into a business for themselves. I still laugh when I think about a concerned writer who marveled at a particular head coach's car compared to what the player was driving. Shouldn't the writer have compared the player's car to the one the head coach was driving when he was going to college? Reasonable points can be hard to come by when one is not equal to the other.

Eh, I think the reasonable point is these coaches agree to coach a school for X amount of years for X amount of dollars, yet the school and/or coach never fulfill it. If the players don't fulfill a 4 year span, despite their scholarship only being year to year from the university's standpoint, they are currently penalized for it. If the coach gets canned he gets a payout (for production reasons), if a player gets canned for production reasons he has to either transfer down a division or sit out a year.


I think most are seeing this as generally unfair which is why the grad transfer has already been allowed, and free agency will soon be allowed as well.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Eh, I think the reasonable point is these coaches agree to coach a school for X amount of years for X amount of dollars, yet the school and/or coach never fulfill it. If the players don't fulfill a 4 year span, despite their scholarship only being year to year from the university's standpoint, they are currently penalized for it. If the coach gets canned he gets a payout (for production reasons), if a player gets canned for production reasons he has to either transfer down a division or sit out a year.

PS - I believe Terry may have mentioned Beluvos and another formerly on scholarship player not being on scholly this year?

I think most are seeing this as generally unfair which is why the grad transfer has already been allowed, and free agency will soon be allowed as well.

As I mentioned, absolutely guarantee every player a 4-year scholarship. We've been tweaking down that trail for years, correct? All this gray/blue stuff seems like another way around the 25 limit. Let's tweak that too. If an undergraduate player has had enough of one school, transfer where you want, even in the SEC, just sit out a year. Tweak done. What else you want? Fact is a lot of fans would like to see some of this stuff.

Still, no reason to give the inmates the keys to the asylum. Anarchy is never a good look.

 

[Tidestalker]

As I mentioned, absolutely guarantee every player a 4-year scholarship. We've been tweaking down that trail for years, correct? All this gray/blue stuff seems like another way around the 25 limit. Let's tweak that too. If an undergraduate player has had enough of one school, transfer where you want, even in the SEC, just sit out a year. Tweak done. What else you want? Fact is a lot of fans would like to see some of this stuff.

Still, no reason to give the inmates the keys to the asylum. Anarchy is never a good look.

I'd be good with that! Seems to pass the common sense test, which is why it will probably not happen! lol

I just believe it will go to free agency, 1 free transfer, eventually. Sooner than later.

 

[TerryP]

Eh, I think the reasonable point is these coaches agree to coach a school for X amount of years for X amount of dollars, yet the school and/or coach never fulfill it. If the players don't fulfill a 4 year span, despite their scholarship only being year to year from the university's standpoint, they are currently penalized for it. If the coach gets canned he gets a payout (for production reasons), if a player gets canned for production reasons he has to either transfer down a division or sit out a year.

And you're leaving out if the coach goes to another job he ends up paying there as well. As I've mentioned before, it cost Mac a few million to go to Florida.

If we truly want to go to free agency, let's say the school a player transfers to has to pay the school he just left, shall we? Put that player on the same hook the coaches are on since you want them to be treated the same despite the fact they are not. Let's see how many try to poach a player from Bama at the cost of 60K+ per head.

 

[Tidestalker]

And you're leaving out if the coach goes to another job he ends up paying there as well. As I've mentioned before, it cost Mac a few million to go to Florida.

If we truly want to go to free agency, let's say the school a player transfers to has to pay the school he just left, shall we? Put that player on the same hook the coaches are on since you want them to be treated the same despite the fact they are not. Let's see how many try to poach a player from Bama at the cost of 60K+ per head.

You really think Mac didn't negotiate an extra amount to pay off CSU? I'm sure he took a loss on that one! LOL.

If it wasn't a positive for him, he wouldn't have moved on.

Take your same scenario and add "Let the new school pay the players tab at his old school.". OK, deal.

 

[TerryP]

You really think Mac didn't negotiate an extra amount to pay off CSU? I'm sure he took a loss on that one! LOL.

This isn't a think situation with Mac, stalker. This is a know. He not only had to pay Colorado State, part of the negotiation to get his buyout down was the agreement for UF and CSU to play each other.

If it wasn't a positive for him, he wouldn't have moved on.

I'm not sure what you're driving at here. Of course it was a positive move for him. There's not a coach in the profession who wouldn't take the UF job over one at CSU.

Take your same scenario and add "Let the new school pay the players tab at his old school.". OK, deal.

That statement of mine was loaded with hyperbole. But since we're on this subject how on earth can people expect that to happen when a vast, VAST majority of athletic departments already operate in the red?

IF anything, I'd like these comparisons of what a coach does to what a player does to be over. They are not the same thing--not even close. Hell, we're comparing kids and adults for one, professionals versus students as another.

 

[TheChief]

Schools can give out 4-year athletic scholarships, but many don't

Here's an old article about the duration of scholarships. This is the delineating factor for me. If you've been given a four year scholarship, then you should have to sit out a year if you decide to transfer. If you've only been given a one year scholly, I don't see how it's fair to make a player sit if he or she transfers or is pressured to transfer. If you don't want players transferring willy nilly, give them a four year ride and let the rule stand. If coach gives them one year, the player is free to do as he or she pleases after a year.

By the way, the article says that multi-year scholarships were NOT ALLOWED until 2012. The article breaks down how the major schools dished them out at the time, stipulating how many and for how long.

 

[TerryP]

I don't see how it's fair to make a player sit if he or she transfers or is pressured to transfer.

Because you're not looking at the economics to start. How much money do you think the athletic department had invested in Mo?

 

[Tidestalker]

This isn't a think situation with Mac, stalker. This is a know. He not only had to pay Colorado State, part of the negotiation to get his buyout down was the agreement for UF and CSU to play each other.



I'm not sure what you're driving at here. Of course it was a positive move for him. There's not a coach in the profession who wouldn't take the UF job over one at CSU.



That statement of mine was loaded with hyperbole. But since we're on this subject how on earth can people expect that to happen when a vast, VAST majority of athletic departments already operate in the red?

IF anything, I'd like these comparisons of what a coach does to what a player does to be over. They are not the same thing--not even close. Hell, we're comparing kids and adults for one, professionals versus students as another.

I'm well aware that Mac "had to pay" CSU back. But you must be aware that he would have negotiated an extra bundle from UF to agree to coming on board. His agent had to be salivating with that type of easy commission.

It's not just about comparing coaches to players... It's just the simple big picture aspect that kids are committing to play for coaches who aren't committing to them. And they shouldn't be. Every coach should take every dollar possible under this landscape... Those contracts are basically written on a napkin. CSU asks for a huge payout from Mac, knowing darn well if he has success the next school will pay the tab. Mac isn't on the hook for that... Take the money and run.

I'm a firm believer that if kids have legitimate options they need to weight stuff like this. For example, a kid who was down to UT and Georgia last year had to see that Georgia has a much more stable coaching situation than UT. However, it's nearly impossible to gauge some future changes, and like I said contracts have very little indication on any future proceedings.

So long story short, I don't want kids and coaches to have the exact same standards. Just a relate-able option to transfer once... Coaches can transfer 4 times in 4 years with no penalty. Seems plenty fair given the recruiting process in which relationships, promises, and expectations are so easily tossed around.

 

[TheChief]

Because you're not looking at the economics to start. How much money do you think the athletic department had invested in Mo?

The athletic department had infinitely more invested in its coaches. The "investment" in the athlete is irrelevant. The economics have nothing to do with the consideration on transfers.

But for fun, let's do look at it.

Someone stays in a dorm. That dorm remains when the student leaves, no. What's the depreciation? Zero investment.

Let's look at classes. One student in a class of 100. Can we place a dollar amount on that? Probably not. Zero investment.

How much food did this student consume. Now, there is your big expense. $2,000 a year?

Coaches coach more than one person, so coaching would have been taking place with or without the student. Zero investment.

So, what do we have invested? Food. Really?


That's quite an argument. We disagree with letting a student transfer to a different university and play immediately because we fed them for a year. The athlete fulfilled the one year signed contract, but by God, he shouldn't be able to leave and play somewhere else. He has our food!

 

[TUSKtimes]

The athletic department had infinitely more invested in its coaches. The "investment" in the athlete is irrelevant. The economics have nothing to do with the consideration on transfers.

But for fun, let's do look at it.

Someone stays in a dorm. That dorm remains when the student leaves, no. What's the depreciation? Zero investment.

Let's look at classes. One student in a class of 100. Can we place a dollar amount on that? Probably not. Zero investment.

How much food did this student consume. Now, there is your big expense. $2,000 a year?

Coaches coach more than one person, so coaching would have been taking place with or without the student. Zero investment.

So, what do we have invested? Food. Really?


That's quite an argument. We disagree with letting a student transfer to a different university and play immediately because we fed them for a year. The athlete fulfilled the one year signed contract, but by God, he shouldn't be able to leave and play somewhere else. He has our food!

Can we call this the Kunta Kinte review?

 

[Tidestalker]

The athletic department had infinitely more invested in its coaches. The "investment" in the athlete is irrelevant. The economics have nothing to do with the consideration on transfers.

But for fun, let's do look at it.

Someone stays in a dorm. That dorm remains when the student leaves, no. What's the depreciation? Zero investment.

Let's look at classes. One student in a class of 100. Can we place a dollar amount on that? Probably not. Zero investment.

How much food did this student consume. Now, there is your big expense. $2,000 a year?

Coaches coach more than one person, so coaching would have been taking place with or without the student. Zero investment.

So, what do we have invested? Food. Really?


That's quite an argument. We disagree with letting a student transfer to a different university and play immediately because we fed them for a year. The athlete fulfilled the one year signed contract, but by God, he shouldn't be able to leave and play somewhere else. He has our food!

I agree with your overall point...

But - Don't forget tudors & clothing. lol

 

[TerryP]

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Mitch Sherman, ESPN Staff Writer

The DI transfer working group has completed its two-day meeting and left Indianapolis without a proposal -- but it made progress toward drafting one in April. Of note, according to Justin Sell, South Dakota State AD and the group's chair, "we are not considering any model that allows you to transfer and compete immediately." But Sell said the group also continues to consider various exceptions that would allow immediate eligibility -- including the Big 12-backed concept to give immediate eligibility to student-athletes whose coaches depart. "Ultimately," Sell said, "it's up to our membership to make the decision. We're a group that's trying to facilitate." The group is now seeking feedback through conference meetings in the spring and will convene again in April with the potential to forward a model to the DI Council for a vote in June.

 

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[TerryP]