🏈 ProFootballFocus Mid-Season All America Team

[JoshB]

Alabama has the highest rated offensive player (Tua) and defensive player (Quinnen) in the country.

 

[rick4bama]

:clap::rtrsign:

 

[JoshB]

@TerryP how wrong was I and so many others about Williams? I just did not see a nose in this defense that small being effective but he has been unbelievable.

 

[Tidestalker]

@TerryP how wrong was I and so many others about Williams? I just did not see a nose in this defense that small being effective but he has been unbelievable.

I remember when Jonny Dwight was ahead on the depth chart... :naughtydevil:

The way the O has changed, it was only a matter of time until the D's caught up. Q Williams seems to be our answer to the no huddle, quick pass offenses. I do believe it's probably given us some problems guarding the run, but when you think about it, does it really matter (bigger problem has been setting the edge IMO)? If we can continue to play with a lead giving up some rushing yards shouldn't be a huge issue... Especially if it means getting QB pressure and a few more TFL's. I look at the Denver Broncos and they're rushing offense is one of the best in the league... But always playing from behind and it's hard to cash it in in the red zone. So teams just don't really care. lol

 

[TerryP]

@TerryP how wrong was I and so many others about Williams? I just did not see a nose in this defense that small being effective but he has been unbelievable.

Two things. One, within the last two weeks I've talked with two people who mentioned how much he's changed physically since he's been in Tuscaloosa. The weird thing is when I watched the post game interview recently I still thought "I bet he can carry more."

Secondly, and most importantly, snap disparity has come into play--a lot. A little over 60% of the snaps have been in nickel (Davis inside) and when we add the dime rabbit in he's getting inside play on close to 80% of the snaps. He's getting a lot of attention from offensive lines. We expected that. I didn't expect to see Davis with close to 70 more snaps than Williams through seven games. (BTW, Buggs is right between the two.)

I remember when Jonny Dwight was ahead on the depth chart..

How many times did we say "in regular" when that discussion was taking place? If not every post, every other post.

The team that the defense spent the most time in regular was A&M (roughly 25%.) In that game Dwight had around 10 fewer snaps than Williams. That fits with the scheme because Williams had more snaps because he was in D-rabbit.

** Just a side note here: Against A&M the difference in snap count between Davis and Dwight was the difference in play counts from regular vs nickel. I may be off by a snap here....just a random observation I came away with from that game.

 

[Tidestalker]

@TerryP how wrong was I and so many others about Williams? I just did not see a nose in this defense that small being effective but he has been unbelievable.

Two things. One, within the last two weeks I've talked with two people who mentioned how much he's changed physically since he's been in Tuscaloosa. The weird thing is when I watched the post game interview recently I still thought "I bet he can carry more."

Secondly, and most importantly, snap disparity has come into play--a lot. A little over 60% of the snaps have been in nickel (Davis inside) and when we add the dime rabbit in he's getting inside play on close to 80% of the snaps. He's getting a lot of attention from offensive lines. We expected that. I didn't expect to see Davis with close to 70 more snaps than Williams through seven games. (BTW, Buggs is right between the two.)

I remember when Jonny Dwight was ahead on the depth chart..

How many times did we say "in regular" when that discussion was taking place? If not every post, every other post.

The team that the defense spent the most time in regular was A&M (roughly 25%.) In that game Dwight had around 10 fewer snaps than Williams. That fits with the scheme because Williams had more snaps because he was in D-rabbit.

** Just a side note here: Against A&M the difference in snap count between Davis and Dwight was the difference in play counts from regular vs nickel. I may be off by a snap here....just a random observation I came away with from that game.

Regular, irregular, rabbit, cheetah, elephant, dinasour.... Don't give a shit what package we're talking about it's funny to think Dwight was ahead of THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY on the depth chart. Like, at what point of any important snap would you not want Q Williams on the field?!

It's kinda comical looking back... Maybe Phil Steele had a sense of humor when he made that "depth chart"

 

[TUSKtimes]

Regular, irregular, rabbit, cheetah, elephant, dinasour.... Don't give a shit what package we're talking about it's funny to think Dwight was ahead of THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY on the depth chart. Like, at what point of any important snap would you not want Q Williams on the field?!

It's kinda comical looking back... Maybe Saban had a sense of humor when he made that "depth chart"

I've heard Williams talked about as the next big thing for well over a year now. The best thing I can say about anything Saban lets out in public is to remember the dude loves, I mean, absolutely loves subterfuge when it comes to this thing everyone calls the depth chart. Just Saban's way of reminding us we don't have one. We have a "rep" chart.

 

[Tidestalker]

Regular, irregular, rabbit, cheetah, elephant, dinasour.... Don't give a shit what package we're talking about it's funny to think Dwight was ahead of THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY on the depth chart. Like, at what point of any important snap would you not want Q Williams on the field?!

It's kinda comical looking back... Maybe Saban had a sense of humor when he made that "depth chart"

I've heard Williams talked about as the next big thing for well over a year now. The best thing I can say about anything Saban lets out in public is to remember the dude loves, I mean, absolutely loves subterfuge when it comes to this thing everyone calls the depth chart. Just Saban's way of reminding us we don't have one. We have a "rep" chart.

Yeah I edited that... Don't remember what Saban had on a depth chart but Terry and I's convo was about one of those pre season Phil Steele deals

 

[TerryP]

Regular, irregular, rabbit, cheetah, elephant, dinasour.... Don't give a shit what package we're talking about it's funny to think Dwight was ahead of THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY on the depth chart.

That's as weak as PBR is to beer.

You're trying to be a smart ass on Dwight and it was clarified for you, repeatedly, what was being said about Dwight. The fact it's proven via snap counts makes this comment...dayum. Just dayum.

I will repeat myself due to the restrictions age is placing on your memory.

Coming out of spring camp, Dwight was ahead on the deep chart for NT when the team is in regular.

From my perspective what makes your comment here even more outlandish is we were specifically addressing double teams on the interior...the very thing that's happening with Davis which had led directly to the year Williams has had. (Buggs having his contributions in the same role as well.)

But, since you don't give a shit about packages this is something you wouldn't have noticed--because you don't care. That's on you, bro.

(It makes me wonder if you were one of the ones freaking out about rushing yards against ASU without considering the team spent 80% of the game with three downlineman, over 50% in rabbit.

 

[Tidestalker]

Regular, irregular, rabbit, cheetah, elephant, dinasour.... Don't give a shit what package we're talking about it's funny to think Dwight was ahead of THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY on the depth chart.

That's as weak as PBR is to beer.

You're trying to be a smart ass on Dwight and it was clarified for you, repeatedly, what was being said about Dwight. The fact it's proven via snap counts makes this comment...dayum. Just dayum.

I will repeat myself due to the restrictions age is placing on your memory.

Coming out of spring camp, Dwight was ahead on the deep chart for NT when the team is in regular.

From my perspective what makes your comment here even more outlandish is we were specifically addressing double teams on the interior...the very thing that's happening with Davis which had led directly to the year Williams has had. (Buggs having his contributions in the same role as well.)

But, since you don't give a shit about packages this is something you wouldn't have noticed--because you don't care. That's on you, bro.

(It makes me wonder if you were one of the ones freaking out about rushing yards against ASU without considering the team spent 80% of the game with three downlineman, over 50% in rabbit.

Oh Terry... If you would have read my previous post you'd see I don't think rushing D is all that important in today's version Alabama football... Which is why I explained many times before Q Williams would be playing far more snaps than Dwight. Regardless of packages. Because the game has changed.

I remember making a comment about the concern of rushing D... And that was A. Jennings not holding his edge. Maybe that was last weekend?

Snap count is a funny thing with this team. So many blowouts that the backups are starting to rack up considerable statistics... So I don't take that quite as serious as you do. For instance - big JD didn't even appear in 2 games (maybe injured?). Hell if you looked at our QB stats you'd think we have a 2 quarterback system... And I guess we do, just not when the game is in doubt. Same goes for many other backups.

I did see Dwight in on a passing down last weekend though! And it was an absolute disaster. I think he and another DL ran into each other on a stunt and he ended up jogging backwards. lol.

 

[colbyjacks]

If we are spending the majority of our time in “irregular” shouldn’t we just change our regular. Obviously the domination by Alabama says we shouldn’t. Is nickel our new “regular”?

 

[JoshB]

@TerryP and @Tidestalker fighting is like watching your dad and grandpa fight over who gets the last beer.

 

[Tidestalker]

@TerryP and @Tidestalker fighting is like watching your dad and grandpa fight over who gets the last beer.

LMAO. Ain't that the truth. Old man spats are the best

If we really wanted to get down to the nitty gritty... The original argument of who's the starting NG... I feel comfortable that Phil Steele got it wrong.

Kind of miss hearing him on WJOX though. Not sure exactly how accurate he was when he got to talking about betting, but damn he could talk some college football... It's impossible to find college football talk locally. WJOX still the best in the biz IMO

 

[JoshB]

@TerryP and @Tidestalker fighting is like watching your dad and grandpa fight over who gets the last beer.

LMAO. Ain't that the truth. Old man spats are the best

If we really wanted to get down to the nitty gritty... The original argument of who's the starting NG... I feel comfortable that Phil Steele got it wrong.

Kind of miss hearing him on WJOX though. Not sure exactly how accurate he was when he got to talking about betting, but damn he could talk some college football... It's impossible to find college football talk locally. WJOX still the best in the biz IMO

I don't know where you are but Dothan has a good station right now that has some really good shows on it. I usually listen to Sirius, though and just have it on NFL Network or ESPNU whenever I'm on the road.

 

[Rolltide24]

What stands out, besides us leading with 4 guys on the list: No Jeudy, I'm sure because Tua has spread the ball so well. Only 1 ClemPson player, none being those D-Linemen that returned for their senior year so they could dominate football. Only 1 OSU player. NC State, Colorado and Boston College representing with 2 players each. AAC has 2 guys but Big 12 has 1 (Big 10 also only 2).

Looks like for RB's they are using yards per carry. Otherwise I don't see how Etienne would be top 2 (he's 6th in yards and 3rd in TDs with top 2 ahead of him in yards also). But WR they must have blocking in there or something. The Hill guy from OSU is 26th in yards, lower in TD's, and his yards per catch average is way down the list. Jeudy is 2nd in TD's (only behind guy with most yards), 6th in yards, and no one is in the same atmosphere in yards per catch.

 

[TerryP]

Is nickel our new “regular”?

No. And this goes back to snap count. We're still seeing the same package of three downline guys and four linebackers for that front seven.

Snap count is a funny thing with this team. So many blowouts that the backups are starting to rack up considerable statistics... So I don't take that quite as serious as you do. For instance - big JD didn't even appear in 2 games (maybe injured?). Hell if you looked at our QB stats you'd think we have a 2 quarterback system... And I guess we do, just not when the game is in doubt. Same goes for many other backups.

You're not looking at it correctly. You're right in the point we're seeing backups put up good numbers. But, what you're not considering is those backups are working with 1's most of the time. Arkansas State was the only game where you could point to the snaps and be able to, literally, say that's a group of 2's.

Just as an example or two. If you look at ULL about 50 snaps were taken by Mathis, Ray, and Dwight with the 2's. Against A&M, the three combined for roughly 70 snaps and it was with the ones.

As to your quarterbacks, if the team is splitting the reps in practice 50/50--Bama has a two quarterback system. Ironic you bring this up because it fits with your Dwight comments in tone. Here we are a few months removed from you being encouraged, repeatedly, (and here's another quote for you) "don't count Jalen out."

You don't like snap counts, eh? Do you care for baseball numbers? I ask because I'm seeing AAA batting averages with your swings and misses. :naughtydevil:

Oh Terry... If you would have read my previous post you'd see I don't think rushing D is all that important in today's version Alabama football...

BTW, this right here is an example of where our discussions have started each and every time. It's what you're seeing that I have brought to point. Your opinions have never bothered me. It's what you cite trying to back up those opinions that causes pause occasionally.

 

[Tidestalker]

Is nickel our new “regular”?

No. And this goes back to snap count. We're still seeing the same package of three downline guys and four linebackers for that front seven.

Snap count is a funny thing with this team. So many blowouts that the backups are starting to rack up considerable statistics... So I don't take that quite as serious as you do. For instance - big JD didn't even appear in 2 games (maybe injured?). Hell if you looked at our QB stats you'd think we have a 2 quarterback system... And I guess we do, just not when the game is in doubt. Same goes for many other backups.

You're not looking at it correctly. You're right in the point we're seeing backups put up good numbers. But, what you're not considering is those backups are working with 1's most of the time. Arkansas State was the only game where you could point to the snaps and be able to, literally, say that's a group of 2's.

Just as an example or two. If you look at ULL about 50 snaps were taken by Mathis, Ray, and Dwight with the 2's. Against A&M, the three combined for roughly 70 snaps and it was with the ones.

As to your quarterbacks, if the team is splitting the reps in practice 50/50--Bama has a two quarterback system. Ironic you bring this up because it fits with your Dwight comments in tone. Here we are a few months removed from you being encouraged, repeatedly, (and here's another quote for you) "don't count Jalen out."

You don't like snap counts, eh? Do you care for baseball numbers? I ask because I'm seeing AAA batting averages with your swings and misses. :naughtydevil:

Oh Terry... If you would have read my previous post you'd see I don't think rushing D is all that important in today's version Alabama football...

BTW, this right here is an example of where our discussions have started each and every time. It's what you're seeing that I have brought to point. Your opinions have never bothered me. It's what you cite trying to back up those opinions that causes pause occasionally.

Terry - Who's the starting NG when we go "base"?

 

[JoshB]

What stands out, besides us leading with 4 guys on the list: No Jeudy, I'm sure because Tua has spread the ball so well. Only 1 ClemPson player, none being those D-Linemen that returned for their senior year so they could dominate football. Only 1 OSU player. NC State, Colorado and Boston College representing with 2 players each. AAC has 2 guys but Big 12 has 1 (Big 10 also only 2).

Looks like for RB's they are using yards per carry. Otherwise I don't see how Etienne would be top 2 (he's 6th in yards and 3rd in TDs with top 2 ahead of him in yards also). But WR they must have blocking in there or something. The Hill guy from OSU is 26th in yards, lower in TD's, and his yards per catch average is way down the list. Jeudy is 2nd in TD's (only behind guy with most yards), 6th in yards, and no one is in the same atmosphere in yards per catch.

One thing to note about ProFootballFocus, they don't do that list based solely on stats. They grade each player on every single snap in how well they do their job (blocking, route running, penalties, etc. along with everything else) and this list is compiled of those with the highest overall grade so far. I want to say Jaylen Waddle was Alabama's highest rated receiver last time I saw it (just under 90.0). I want to say Jeudy was somewhere in the neighborhood of 86.2. Irv Smith was like 87.0 I think.

 

[TerryP]

One thing to note about ProFootballFocus, they don't do that list based solely on stats. They grade each player on every single snap in how well they do their job (blocking, route running, penalties, etc. along with everything else) and this list is compiled of those with the highest overall grade so far.

Recently I asked about how they derived their stats/grades. There was a response which covered how they grade NFL teams--I suspect it's different in college. There's just too many teams, too many games.

Quite frankly, if we're looking at a player who should be on this list it's Buggs. His production with sacks dwarfs Williams. Williams is credited with three more QB hurries than Buggs. Buggs has two forced fumbles as compared to Williams with zero. Williams has two more tackles than Davis, five more than Buggs.

So, when you weigh out who is having the best production? It's Buggs.

Who's the starting NG when we go "base"?

I don't play games with moving field goals.

 

[Tidestalker]

Who's the starting NG when we go "base"?

I don't play games with moving field goals.

Naaaaaa..... No goal posts moving here, you just can't admit you missed one. I may bat a low %, but every now and then I'll hit a long ball :dance:

Let's refresh:

Johnny Dwight Sr... Seems a little unlikely but the rest is cool

Not at all unlikely--spot on. Going into spring camp it was Davis, Dwight, Buggs in regular and coming out of spring camp is was the same.

I'm a bettor. Whatcha got on it?

Logic?

Seriously. He fits what the team has used at NT in regular. He's not ideal, but he is what they have. We're talking about NT, not DT. The guy I'd watch going into fall camp is Musika. If he develops...we should see a rotation between the two.

Logic - He's played minimal snaps in 4 years and Q Williams got moved to that position... Who I believe played significantly more snaps than him last year and has a much higher upside....

Football - Phil Steele: Projected starting lineups and position group rankings.