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Why people all of the sudden think Oregon is equipped to handle the physical beating of an SEC team? Yes, they play tempo. When Lacy outweighs their LBs, why do people think they can get Bama's O off the field?

Their plan is to force mistakes by getting people out of alignment because of their speed. It is nauseating but this is about as fundamentally sound a defense as I've ever seen.

I said this a million times leading up to our game with them. In the words of Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
 
It Takes Eleven said:
If Bama gets past LSU and aTm, I think Oregon is left at the altar for ND or K-State.
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Where does either ND or Kansas State pick up more second place votes? That's going to be key. IF one team can grab second place in one of the human polls, I'd agree.

I think the computers push Oregon high enough in the end.

As to your post Duder...from what I've seen defending Oregon, at least a large part of it, comes down to gap control. Physicality certainly comes into play, but I've yet to see them play a fundamentally sound football team.
 
Oregon has the schedule left to move past both K-State and ND.

People can think Oregon can hang with a SEC team all they want to, but reality is like Duder said Lacy outweighs their LBs, so I don't see them ever stopping Bama and their offense hasn't ever seen a defense like our's.
 
I'm not so sure that it's Oregon's schedule that will cause people to vote for them more than it will be the fact that they have to play one more game than ND or K-State with the Pac-12 championship. It should be lesson learned for Notre Dame and the Big XIII that copping out of having to play a championship game can hurt you.

With all that said, I'm not convinced Oregon gets through the rest of the year unscathed. Don't ask me where I think it'll come, but I feel a loss coming on from them.
 
Oregon could present some mismatch problems, IF we were caught with the wrong personnel on the field. Oregon finishes unscathed, they're in and K State and ND would be off to the Fiesta "woulda shoulda coulda" Bowl. A ND meeting in the BCS game would be epic for all of the old wounds from the 70s. A K State matchup would be a game to test similar styles as well. That being said, Let's crush the corndogs this week and continue to drive toward #15!!
 
I could see ND getting enough #2 votes in the human polls if they finish undefeated. I'd love to see a Bama vs. ND Championship just for the sake of tradition. Two of the most storied programs playing for the BCS title? I'd be willing the to bet it would have the highest TV ratings of any college football game ever.

As for Oregon matching up the best with Alabama? I think they say that because they believe they are the only team that has the offense that might be able to put up some points on Alabama, And for some reason, they think Oregon has a good/decent defense. I just don't see where they get the defense part from. It may be better than what they've had in the past, but I'm not sure I'd call it good.
 
I noticed when I did the Red Zone thingy, that Oregon was second to Bama in Red Zone defense. Albeit, they have given up more RZ scores than Bama has allowed RZ drives, they are still second in that category. So their defense may not be as bad as perceived. They are ranked 35th in Total Defense just behind KSU at 30th, with ND at #11 in that category.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IA_teamredzonedefense&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IA_teamtotdef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
 
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Duder said:
Why people all of the sudden think Oregon is equipped to handle the physical beating of an SEC team? Yes, they play tempo. When Lacy outweighs their LBs, why do people think they can get Bama's O off the field?

Their plan is to force mistakes by getting people out of alignment because of their speed. It is nauseating but this is about as fundamentally sound a defense as I've ever seen.

I said this a million times leading up to our game with them. In the words of Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
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And they never seem to adjust. They just do their thing expecting it to work. When it didn't against Auburn, they just kept on. Insane!
 
Love this discussion.
I think either USC, Oregon State, or USC the second time(?) can put Oregon out before season's end.

Notre Dame really surprised me when they beat Oklahoma, and Oklahoma really surprised me by losing to ND, so I don't really know what to make of them (ND).

KState is sound as a team, full of eager jucos, and would probably give Alabama the best game, imo. No need to be flashy, they are just winning.


That being said, I hope Oregon makes it (and we make it, of course) and we can FINALLY settle this Oregon question once and for all regarding their style and inclusion into elite football program status.
 
Houndstoothpuller said:
Love this discussion.
I think either USC, Oregon State, or USC the second time(?) can put Oregon out before season's end.

Notre Dame really surprised me when they beat Oklahoma, and Oklahoma really surprised me by losing to ND, so I don't really know what to make of them (ND).

KState is sound as a team, full of eager jucos, and would probably give Alabama the best game, imo. No need to be flashy, they are just winning.


That being said, I hope Oregon makes it (and we make it, of course) and we can FINALLY settle this Oregon question once and for all regarding their style and inclusion into elite football program status.
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David Shaw and Stanford might be able to pull onr out against Oregon.
 
ND doesn't play a conference game, that will hurt them, K-State vs Oregon. Oregon has the better second half schedule and will probably play either USC or Arizona in the Pac12 championship

Oregon...Terry said it best, gap discipline against their offense. Not a least bit worried about Mariota, if we play him...Their defensive line is undersized against ours, run the ball, control T.O.P, keep their offense on the sideline, and score points..
 
Let me offer you my theory.

We have a case of societal ADD. An Instant Gratification culture. This is my explanation for the widespread, particularly media driven, infatuation with these high-scoring, fast-paced offenses. Oregon is the most talented and probably the best of these type teams. Therefore, they are the target of the hopes of all these media types and "casual" football fans who think a 17-13 football game is boring.

Now, all of this is totally in opposition to the reality of the game we all love. Football is, at its basic level, a game of blocking and tackling. Every time that I can remember where a "high scoring" offense has met a tough, physical team in the championship game, the tough, physical team has won. If I am wrong about this please correct me.

Oregon's D is good for a team that plays that style of football but so was the Texas 2009 D. They were incapable of stopping Bama's backs from getting over 100 yards each.

Oregon's offense managed only 19 points on the worst defense fielded by an SEC BCS champ. Oklahoma fared worse both times vs. an SEC defense and Texas did slightly better. Yet the believers in that style of football want so badly to be vindicated. A Bama beatdown of Oregon will not deter them any more than their loss to Cam and their subsequent thumping by LSU last has. Although it would be fun for us to watch :)
 
Duder said:
Talk about your reasons why
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Well let me start off by saying this - I didn't mean to come across like I WOULD be concerned, but I do feel like they would offer us the biggest challenge. Truly, I think it's becoming more obvious each week that Alabama's biggest opponent is ourselves...we're easily the best team as long as we keep our mind's right. So to answer your question I guess I'll discuss each team, and what kind of challenges they might present to us if we were to play them.

Notre Dame - Plain and simple...they would worry me the least. They're pretty physical up front on defense. I haven't looked at the measurables for their defensive line, but I know they're big. And Te'o is a pretty darn good player as well. I just don't think their athletic abilities as a team comes anywhere near what we have...and that includes their big boys up front.

Kansas State - I think they offer up a pretty good challenge, and I'll admit, I don't know as much about this team. I think Klein would offer up a good challenge for our defense, but after him they don't really have much to offer up that scares me...I think this would be a pretty easy win as well.

Oregon - They're unlike any team that we've faced or will face. Their RB's are fast as hell. And their defense is a little bit more physical than they get credit for. Mariotta is a stud, no doubt, BUT, he is a Freshman. Also, I think as the game wore on we would end up manhandling their offensive line.

SO, I wouldn't be concerned necessarily, but I do think that out of the 3 teams presented here, they would offer up the biggest challenge with their overall team speed.

All this and the team that I would most enjoy playing in the National Championship would EASILY be Notre Dame. I wasn't alive the last time we played Notre Dame in the National Championship, and would love to see it.
 

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