🏈 Players forgoing bowl games

[planomateo]

He's already signed a ~$25M fully guaranteed contract.

 

[Tidestalker]

A guy that was suspended this year for "attitude issues"... why is this not surprising? This is hilarious for a guy that probably wont get drafted until the 5th round or later (if it at all).

Only the beginning of what we're about to see.....

 

[planomateo]

:rolf::rolf::rolf:

 

[musso]

Well I understand your political views favor your personal life, but I don't agree with your politics. That a little cleaner for your delicate senses? Enough with trying to act like a philosopher and above everyone intellectually, because you come across as a clown.

You've totally lost me on where you're coming from. :headscratch:

My thing is, are they amateurs or not? Are they student-athletes or something more? Students are free to quit college at any time to go pursue other endeavors. So many people on this board, if I'm not mistaken, have opposed players getting paid, relying on the stance that they aren't professionals or employees. Now when it means the bowls are under threat, you want them to feel obligated to remain in school and risk their health with a million-dollar careers only months away. That's crazy. Can't have it both ways. Fans are being selfish.

For better or for worse, this is another thread being pulled in the "amateur athletic" sweater.

 

[EasyTider]

 

[BamaFan334]

Must be nice to be a poor college kid and starving while driving a 250 King Ranch.

 

[Tidestalker]

From a guy who left a year early... lol

 

[JoshB]

From a guy who left a year early... lol

 

[Tidestalker]

/QUOTE]

He's right... There is a difference.

However, staying "I would do anything" is funny to me because clearly it's bull shit.

Ultimately they're all doing the same thing for the same reason. I support it either way

 

[musso]

Must be nice to be a poor college kid and starving while driving a 250 King Ranch.

Must be nice as fans to sit back and be cheaply entertained by kids putting their lives, bodies, and future neurological and physical health in danger at below market wages, who then must seek illicit means of compensation on the booster "black market" with the unregulated strings which accompany such gifts.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Must be nice as fans to sit back and be cheaply entertained by kids putting their lives, bodies, and future neurological and physical health in danger at below market wages, who then must seek illicit means of compensation on the booster "black market" with the unregulated strings which accompany such gifts.

You know, you can put all that on a special T-shirt now, 'let my people go.'

 

[JoshB]

He's right... There is a difference.

However, staying "I would do anything" is funny to me because clearly it's bull ****.

Ultimately they're all doing the same thing for the same reason. I support it either way

To me it seemed like he was saying in HINDSIGHT I would do anything to go back to have that one more game. Like he knows it was the best business decision but if he would do it all over again he'd go back. Maybe I took it wrong tho *shrug*

 

[musso]

You know, you can put all that on a special T-shirt now, 'let my people go.'

I know, it's a bit unnerving to consider that the arms race in college football may be reaching its inevitable end. The more money that has noticeably gone in the pockets of parties other than the actual players has brought this on the whole institution. NCAA football's rising popularity (and profitability) is requiring its inevitable reform. And this inevitable reform scares many fans. It's going to be okay though.

 

[TUSKtimes]

In LF7 case it was dubious timing at best and even diehard Cajuns wish he had finished what he started. Can't blame him with the high ankle he has reinjured throughout the season to shut it down. At this point, especially at running back, take the pro money and run. I thought it was interesting some of the criticism coming his way for latching on to LeBron's 'posse,' I mean agent and investor. If LF7 is really thinking this through he wants to put himself in an economic position to be more than comfortable when the game gets tired of him. LeBron and JZ and company are diversifying in area's that should appeal to young black athletes. Everything from music labels to clothing lines to big bad Hollywood and the entertainment business. LF7 has hitched his horses to a wagon at full gallop and except for a bum ankle and bad timing, so far, so good.

 

[UAgrad93]

So, what is the difference when you quit on your team AND you still have another year remaining? McCaffrey and Fournette both have a year remaining and are quitting on their team before the bowl game.

@musso, I would say for me and probably most posters on here, we come from a generation that was raised to FINISH what you started. My parents always told me that once I started something like football, baseball, or basketball, or anything else, I had to see the season through. There was no quitting before the year was over. If I decided at the end of the year, that I didn't want to return, so be it. So many kids today though, aren't wired like that or aren't being taught that way. When I started coaching back in '93, we had kids that would quit one sport to go start the next. They were quitting football in week 8 to go start basketball or wrestling practice. It was killing our football program. We had a rule in place that said that they couldn't start the next season until the previous regular season was over. It still didn't help. We eventually installed a rule that said that if you quit, you were done for 1 calendar year!! The very first time we had to use it, it cost me my starting 2nd baseman!! He had come out for football and shined through the Spring and summer and then the week before the season opener, he quit. I begged him to really think about what was going to happen, not to football, but in the Spring and with his baseball. I'm not saying you aren't wired like that, just saying you are probably playing devil's advocate and showing it from the other perspective.

 

[BamaFan334]

Must be nice as fans to sit back and be cheaply entertained by kids putting their lives, bodies, and future neurological and physical health in danger at below market wages, who then must seek illicit means of compensation on the booster "black market" with the unregulated strings which accompany such gifts.

Cheaply entertained? I don't think any booster or season ticket holder would consider their contributions cheap. That money goes to pay for an education most will never seek or finish, which is what they sign up for. All of the free meals, apparal, medical care, housing, and anything else you can think off. If they don't like it they can seek other avenues or pay for an education and take the route most of us took. It's their choice. Consider that the real problem. Take all your other bullshit and just go shut the fuck up. You're on a very short list of people on this site that are just completely unworthy of listening to. You seem to have it all figured out, so why not use your time for some good and go change the world for the better?

 

[TUSKtimes]

I know, it's a bit unnerving to consider that the arms race in college football may be reaching its inevitable end. The more money that has noticeably gone in the pockets of parties other than the actual players has brought this on the whole institution. NCAA football's rising popularity (and profitability) is requiring its inevitable reform. And this inevitable reform scares many fans. It's going to be okay though.

OR

 

[musso]

@TUSKstuff , no "or" but "and." This is both as good as it gets (for us Bama fans) AND the end of the status quo. Lots of pressures are at work here, not just an increased consideration for student-athletes, but a general disruption of higher Ed. Where it all goes, I'm not sure. But as I've already said, players skipping frivolous bowl games that enrich other peoples' pockets while giving players a few crumbs, crumbs that are nothing compared to the professional contracts star players will soon sign, is just more dominoes in this process.

 

[musso]

Cheaply entertained? I don't think any booster or season ticket holder would consider their contributions cheap. That money goes to pay for an education most will never seek or finish, which is what they sign up for. All of the free meals, apparal, medical care, housing, and anything else you can think off. If they don't like it they can seek other avenues or pay for an education and take the route most of us took. It's their choice. Consider that the real problem. Take all your other bullshit and just go shut the **** up. You're on a very short list of people on this site that are just completely unworthy of listening to. You seem to have it all figured out, so why not use your time for some good and go change the world for the better?

Lol, I'm unworthy of listening to ... yet you keep listening and responding to me. :think: Ask yourself why you are cursing at a faceless poster in an online forum who has done nothing to you.

By cheaply, I didn't mean to discount the obvious price inflation of tickets and so forth. Trust me, I'm aware of all that which is the main reason why I haven't attended a game in a couple of seasons. But the rising costs of attendance only affects a limited number of "consumers." Many more consumers/fans support their teams by watching on TV, buying apparel, memorabilia, etc. Point is, the entry cost to watch college football on TV is cheap relative to the cost incurred by the players risking life and limb, on the field and off the field as they age.

 

[musso]

@musso, I would say for me and probably most posters on here, we come from a generation that was raised to FINISH what you started. My parents always told me that once I started something like football, baseball, or basketball, or anything else, I had to see the season through. There was no quitting before the year was over. If I decided at the end of the year, that I didn't want to return, so be it. So many kids today though, aren't wired like that or aren't being taught that way. When I started coaching back in '93, we had kids that would quit one sport to go start the next. They were quitting football in week 8 to go start basketball or wrestling practice. It was killing our football program. We had a rule in place that said that they couldn't start the next season until the previous regular season was over. It still didn't help. We eventually installed a rule that said that if you quit, you were done for 1 calendar year!! The very first time we had to use it, it cost me my starting 2nd baseman!! He had come out for football and shined through the Spring and summer and then the week before the season opener, he quit. I begged him to really think about what was going to happen, not to football, but in the Spring and with his baseball. I'm not saying you aren't wired like that, just saying you are probably playing devil's advocate and showing it from the other perspective.

I get what you're saying and the challenges coaches have, but at the end of the day, do you really want to force an amateur (we're talking kids here) to do something against their will? Furthermore, how can you even do that? When their performance starts to slack, what then? You want to tie them to a post and whip them? People are free to do what they want to do when they want to do it ... and also incur the consequences, both positive and negative. If amateurs want to leave their team to go sell drugs or something stupid, then that's something to bemoan. But to accept a high paying job ........... isn't that a GOOD THING?????? Of course, their teammates, coaches, fans, etc. are free to feel hurt, but they are all kidding themselves if they think some players won't value greater personal accomplishment and a lifetime of financial security over a fleeting amateur arrangement with coaches coming and going every season.