🏈 Pat Dye: Auburn needs to move to SEC East

[TUSKtimes]

Pat Dye can still talk. Tells the football world he wouldn't have any problem shutting down the Iron Bowl to go east.

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[252BAMA]

Missouri's tremendous disadvantage, according to Dye, has allowed them to be in SECCG a few times.

Let's say it happens. If we go to a 9-game conference schedule and still play aubrun in regular season, we could be playing our SECCG opponent two consecutive weeks. There would probably need to be a requirment that out of division teams can't play each other the week before the SECCG. Would we play our cards close to our vest to beat the same team the following Saturday? Mizzou and Arkansas currently play each other the last game, that's it for interdivisional.

RTR,

Tim

With 14 teams there is no way to avoid one crossover game on the last week. Of the 14, four East teams play OOC rival games. Leaving 10 to play conference games. Seven in the West and three in the East.

Now if that was eight West and four East with 16 teams, then it is doable.

 

[Mark Heim | mheim@al.com]

Pat Dye isn't backing down from his belief Auburn should move to the SEC East.

In fact, he said Auburn shouldn't let Alabama dictate what the Tigers do.

Last week, the former Auburn coach said Auburn and Missouri should trade places in the SEC East and West divisions.

On his weekly radio show, which airs later Wednesday evening, he re-iterated that point.

"I'm fixing to make a statement that won't be a popular statement, I guarantee you," Dye said. "I'd rather see Auburn in the East than us play Alabama every year. I know the Iron Bowl, (and) I'm not the least bit afraid of Auburn playing Alabama. We can play them on a rotating basis like everyone else."

The current set-up was approved in order to help preserve inter-division rivalry games, such as Georgia-Auburn and Tennessee-Alabama.

"If we do what we are supposed to do and Alabama does what they are supposed to do, we play them one time a year anyway in Atlanta."

Dye said Auburn recruits in Alabama, Georgia and Florida, so being in the East is a natural fit. He pointed out the Tigers don't recruit Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi.

"We don't need to let Alabama dictate what we do at Auburn," Dye said. "That's what happened when they divided the teams up in the conference."

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[sean]

eff 'em. let 'em go to the MAC where they can do some good and maybe get some wins, lol.

 

[TerryP]

Dye said Auburn recruits in Alabama, Georgia and Florida, so being in the East is a natural fit. He pointed out the Tigers don't recruit Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi.

SMH. Their starting quarterback, from Texas. One of the alleged cancers on their team recently, Duke Williams, was from Louisiana and they recruited him out of Mississippi.

And those two are just off the top of my head.

 

[planomateo]

But they do a hell of a job getting those offensive weapons into the NFL...

 

[OldPlayer]

SMH. Their starting quarterback, from Texas. One of the alleged cancers on their team recently, Duke Williams, was from Louisiana and they recruited him out of Mississippi.

And those two are just off the top of my head.

Two out of 85 = 2.35%

Not a big portion of their recruits even if you double it.

 

[252BAMA]

There are four players from Texas, and one from Arkansas, on the barn roster.


AUBURNTIGERS.COM Official Football Roster :: Auburn University Official Athletic Site Auburn University Official Athletic Site :: Football

 

[TerryP]

And those two are just off the top of my head.

Two out of 85 = 2.35%

You do the math off the top of your head? :devil: It didn't strike you a little odd that the one player everyone is talking about with Auburn isn't from the states he mentioned? Did me.

On a different note ... over a couple of beers the other day I had a few UGA fans mention they remembered Auburn as being a team they (SEC Admin) were thinking of putting in the East back in '91. I vaguely remember conversations about how the divisions were going to be split, but didn't recall that specifically.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

With 14 teams there is no way to avoid one crossover game on the last week. Of the 14, four East teams play OOC rival games. Leaving 10 to play conference games. Seven in the West and three in the East.

Now if that was eight West and four East with 16 teams, then it is doable.

I was using this year's schedule as an example. Future schedules could easily be changed to accommodate that. Require an OOC game or an in-division game. KY - Louisville can move, for example, since they haven't traditionally played at season's end (I think that just started a few years back).

RTR,

Tim

 

[TUSKtimes]

Something to slow down politics and old coaches well past their prime, retire divisions. Just quit it, Roy Kramer had it wrong and it's seldom been a game that matches the two best teams in the SEC. Play 9 conference games and take the top 2 finalists and make it a true play in-game. The barners still won't like it and that's yet another excellent reason to make it happen.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

There are four players from Texas, and one from Arkansas, on the barn roster.


AUBURNTIGERS.COM Official Football Roster :: Auburn University Official Athletic Site Auburn University Official Athletic Site :: Football

It's true aubrun recruits heavily from the east, I'll give Dye that. He mined south FL heavily in his years, it's continued, and GA has always been key for them. A quick scan of the link above, if my count is correct, had 36 from Alabama, 29 from GA and 18 from FL. I didn't count MS, but it was less than those by far. They are a regional recruiter with precious few outside their immediate area, unlike Bama.

EDIT: a quick Bama count has 21 players from outside the SEC footprint. AND 37 from Bama.

RTR,

Tim

 

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[252BAMA]

Something to slow down politics and old coaches well past their prime, retire divisions. Just quit it, Roy Kramer had it wrong and it's seldom been a game that matches the two best teams in the SEC. Play 9 conference games and take the top 2 finalists and make it a true play in-game. The barners still won't like it and that's yet another excellent reason to make it happen.

Roy Kramer had nothing to do with getting it right or getting it wrong. He was just using an NCAA rule that was never intended to be used for 1A. It was in place to allow conferences in lower divisions to have a CG. The rule is still in place and what you are proposing is not allowed. That is why the Big 12 is still playing a complete round robin schedule. It is required. The SEC wouldn't do that if they could.

"Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference. Each division must play a round-robin schedule during the regular season in order to hold a championship game.
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Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference."

College football: FBS conferences with fewer than 12 members now able to hold championship game

 

[TUSKtimes]

Roy Kramer had nothing to do with getting it right or getting it wrong. He was just using a rule that was never intended to be used for 1A. It was in place in order for conferences in lower divisions to have a CG. The rule is still in place and what you are proposing is not allowed.

"Under current rules, FBS conferences must have at least 12 members, and championship games must be between the winners of two divisions within the conference. Each division must play a round-robin schedule during the regular season in order to hold a championship game.
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Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference."

College football: FBS conferences with fewer than 12 members now able to hold championship game

Yes, Roy Kramer exploited an old NCAA bylaw intended for Division II schools at the time and morphed into the "cash cow" known affectionally as the SECCG. But it has seldom given us much more than money. That's the part he got wrong. Because the two best teams seldom meet in Atlanta, it's usually about lopsided scores, much like this year, people feared the bodily harm done by Bama against their opponent as opposed to who would actually win the game.

We've gone from the bowl system to the BCS to the 4 team playoff in short fashion. If we now want a true de facto playoff elimination game in these conference championships to compliment what the playoffs are designed to do we need to keep reinventing the playoff wheel. Eliminating divisions and getting the two best teams in the conference is just as important as the 4 teams who eventually get it. The NCAA would have little difficulty making that happen if they so chose.

 

[Max]

This tweet carries a subject I find a little amusing.



If it wasn't for their games against Ole Miss and Mississippi State, how bad would their record be over these last few years?

 

[alagator]

That's the part he got wrong. Because the two best teams seldom meet in Atlanta, it's usually about lopsided scores, much like this year, people feared the bodily harm done by Bama against their opponent as opposed to who would actually win the game.

Since '92, the record is 25 wins for the West, 25 wins for the East. Average score, 26.36 for the West, 26.36 for the East. It's always been a two top 25 teams facing each other with several top 10's. Out of the 25 games played, we're looking at six or seven SECCG's that have been lopsided--roughly the same number of times we've seen two teams in the top five playing each other.

It's not as bad as you describe when you look at the actual numbers. Lately, we've seen Bama roll over teams in the East much like we saw teams from the East (IE: Florida) roll over people a few years prior to Bama's run.

 

[Destiny's Child]

Barner's are upset that they have to compete with Bama and LSU every year. That is all that it is about. They are looking for an easier path.

The Championship game has never cost us a chance for a championship so I have no issue with it. A few years we have ended up with an average Missouri or South Carolina team in it instead of a Bama vs LSU rematch or Bama Vs Barn rematch but I think the rematch game would hurt more than it helps. It has done nothing but give us another quality win each year and made more money for the conference.

Does it suck that some teams get it without having to play in an extra game yes.. but our game has been putting pressure on other conferences to get a game and it has hurt the ones who haven't.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Since '92, the record is 25 wins for the West, 25 wins for the East. Average score, 26.36 for the West, 26.36 for the East. It's always been a two top 25 teams facing each other with several top 10's. Out of the 25 games played, we're looking at six or seven SECCG's that have been lopsided--roughly the same number of times we've seen two teams in the top five playing each other.

It's not as bad as you describe when you look at the actual numbers. Lately, we've seen Bama roll over teams in the East much like we saw teams from the East (IE: Florida) roll over people a few years prior to Bama's run.

So, what did we prove playing Florida? That the number one team can handle a 3 loss team? I'm talking about making the conference championship games a de facto playoff play-in-game. Kramer had no such idea that something like that was even possible when he introduced this stuff. It's an old formula to make money that isn't deciding anything as far as playoffs are concerned.

Look at this past season of championship conference games. Bama is in the playoff if they lose, Florida isn't going even if they beat Bama. Big 10 decided they weren't taking either team in their game and choose Ohio State, making their CG a total waste of effort as far as the playoffs are concerned. Washington had to risk it all against Colorado and the Buffaloes weren't going if they won. Clemson put it all on the line in their conference championship game and VaTech wasn't going if they won with their record.

So, as it turned out the playoff committee had their 4 teams after the 12th game on the schedule. The conference game meant nothing more than money in the pocket and an opportunity to lose someone as valuable as a Dion Hamilton. If they can't make the conference championship game about the playoffs, it's tits on a bull.

 

[rammerjammer]

The Championship game has never cost us a chance for a championship so I have no issue with it.

Actually in 94 it did. We were undefeated coming into the SECCG and UF was 7-1, they beat us 24-23 and kept us out of the BCSCG