🏈 OU football player Spencer Jones picked a fight against a guy with a decade of MMA training at an OU bar this past weekend.

[It Takes Eleven]

QBs don't get hit on every play. WRs don't get hit on every play. DBs don't get hit on every play. These players could go several plays without getting touched.

I remember the Speedy Noil hit and the big debate of it was targeting or not. He wasn't a defenseless player. Of course, they've modified the targeting rules since then and it most likely would be today.

I think the targeting debate was mainly between Gary Danielson and Gary Danielson.

 

[planomateo]

Arguing about football vs MMA. That's funny.

 

[BamaFan334]

QBs don't get hit on every play. WRs don't get hit on every play. DBs don't get hit on every play. These players could go several plays without getting touched.

I remember the Speedy Noil hit and the big debate of it was targeting or not. He wasn't a defenseless player. Of course, they've modified the targeting rules since then and it most likely would be today.

There is contact every play. How many times have we seen a guy get hit and get concussed and you never would have known it because it wasn't violent. Just like bumping your head on the edge of the table, it doesn't take much. Receivers risk achilles, hamstring, and knee injuries each time they take a step whether they are hit or not due to the torque and cutting they do, same with defensive backs and taking on bigger tight ends. At any point, football is no less dangerous than MMA. Quarterback's may not get hit every play, but no other player on the field takes more shots un-protected than a quarterback as he's throwing and getting ready to throw. Alex Smith's injury is just one to bring up, but there are many others.

Yes, there are rules against targeting, yet players are ejected almost every game, so it hasn't stopped, and never will because of reaction times never being fully equal to the actual event itself.

To either of our points though, it only takes one hit to ruin someone's life and them never walking again or breathing again. It's all dangerous as hell. To your point though, I'd never want to sign up knowing I'm going to get hit in the face whether I know it or not. I've always enjoyed a good fight when I was younger, but I just keep to myself anymore and mind my own business and do my best to treat others how I want to be treated. Funny how that kiddy adage comes back to be how you live your mature adult life.

 

[OldPlayer]

I think the targeting debate was mainly between Gary Danielson and Gary Danielson.

And he lost the debate

 

[TerryP]

I was in a place, Crazy D's--Redbank Road, Goose Creek. 350 lbs fella I'm playing pool... Guy starting dancing to the music and said I'll bet you 100 bucks I can do the splits. I told him you're and threw 100 dollars on the table. He did it three times.

Never underestimate.

He said that to me and gave me my money back.

 

[OldPlayer]

There is contact every play. How many times have we seen a guy get hit and get concussed and you never would have known it because it wasn't violent. Just like bumping your head on the edge of the table, it doesn't take much. Receivers risk achilles, hamstring, and knee injuries each time they take a step whether they are hit or not due to the torque and cutting they do, same with defensive backs and taking on bigger tight ends. At any point, football is no less dangerous than MMA. Quarterback's may not get hit every play, but no other player on the field takes more shots un-protected than a quarterback as he's throwing and getting ready to throw. Alex Smith's injury is just one to bring up, but there are many others.

Yes, there are rules against targeting, yet players are ejected almost every game, so it hasn't stopped, and never will because of reaction times never being fully equal to the actual event itself.

To either of our points though, it only takes one hit to ruin someone's life and them never walking again or breathing again. It's all dangerous as hell. To your point though, I'd never want to sign up knowing I'm going to get hit in the face whether I know it or not. I've always enjoyed a good fight when I was younger, but I just keep to myself anymore and mind my own business and do my best to treat others how I want to be treated. Funny how that kiddy adage comes back to be how you live your mature adult life.

I never said football players don't have a risk of injury. In MMA, you are guaranteed to get hit in every round. In football, a QB could go an entire game and not get touched (possible, but not probable). If a football player snaps an achilles, pulls a hamstring, twists a knee, it's not always due to contact.

Amongst kids, basketball actually has the highest number of injuries:
7 Sports Most Likely to Cause Injuries

 

[BamaFan334]

I never said football players don't have a risk of injury. In MMA, you are guaranteed to get hit in every round. In football, a QB could go an entire game and not get touched (possible, but not probable). If a football player snaps an achilles, pulls a hamstring, twists a knee, it's not always due to contact.

Amongst kids, basketball actually has the highest number of injuries:
7 Sports Most Likely to Cause Injuries

Interesting. Never would have guessed basketball. Guessing kids flying around and no equipment to pad any falls.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I was in a place, Crazy D's--Redbank Road, Goose Creek. 350 lbs fella I'm playing pool... Guy starting dancing to the music and said I'll bet you 100 bucks I can do the splits. I told him you're and threw 100 dollars on the table. He did it three times.

Never underestimate.

He said that to me and gave me my money back.

I had a classmate at Chelsea who developed quickly, about 5-6, 190 as a 6-7th grader. Got some varsity action at what was then a very small rural school. The head coach at the time was Richard Conkle, whom the original field is named after and who recently passed, and if any of you listen to Randy Kennedy - you may remember him as a guest guy on Finebaum - out of the Mobile sports talk, he gave a great sendoff to Coach. Randy was a year ahead of me at Chelsea and was our QB, point guard and first baseman. I was the football center/DE, catcher and Bill Laimbeer of Chelsea - and I don't mean the midrange set shot. Anyway, my classmate asked Coach Conkle if he was a fullback or a halfback, and Coach shot back, "James, you're a Fatback." The name stuck, and if I saw him today I'd greet him as Fatback. Sad thing about early puberty is that Fatback might have grown another inch after 6th grade, and he was a good back through freshman year and he ended up on or near the line in HS. A great guy, love him to death, and damned if at our 20-25th reunion he didn't do the splits at a svelte 260.

I said Chelsea was rural. When I was in school, our district included all of what is now Chelsea and half or two-thirds of what is now Oak Mountain High School. We went all the way to the Cahaba River bridge on 280, both Perrin boys across from Lloyd's went to Chelsea. My graduating class of 1983 had 50. Oak Mountain is now 7A and Chelsea is 6A, probably a few thousand between them now, indicative of Shelby County's growth over the last thirty-some-odd years.

There's nothing time hasn't touched, the song accurately says.

RTR,

Tim

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

I’ve done both. FB thru high school. Boxing standard martial arts and MMA that I still dabble in

it is the 2 separated shoulders, 7 poorly healed broken fingers and left knee that wake me up at night and greet me in the morning. Got all of that in FB

other than my nose being a little crooked and one light scar under my left eye the pugilist sports haven’t been hard on me

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I’ve done both. FB thru high school. Boxing standard martial arts and MMA that I still dabble in

it is the 2 separated shoulders, 7 poorly healed broken fingers and left knee that wake me up at night and greet me in the morning. Got all of that in FB

other than my nose being a little crooked and one light scar under my left eye the pugilist sports haven’t been hard on me

Note to self: don't talk sh!t to @Elderfalsedemigod in urine soaked bathroom...

 

[OldPlayer]

I’ve done both. FB thru high school. Boxing standard martial arts and MMA that I still dabble in

it is the 2 separated shoulders, 7 poorly healed broken fingers and left knee that wake me up at night and greet me in the morning. Got all of that in FB

other than my nose being a little crooked and one light scar under my left eye the pugilist sports haven’t been hard on me

Thinking that the pugilist sports haven’t been hard on you probably means that the pugilist sports have been hard on you.

 

[Elderfalsedemigod]

Thinking that the pugilist sports haven’t been hard on you probably means that the pugilist sports have been hard on you.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Every player in football has an amazing "chance" at getting hit. Punters and kickers less frequently (we seen them take some of the more awkward hits), but every other player on the field gets hit every play. It's not a 100% guarantee like MMA, but a 99.99999999999% chance. Speedy Noil knew he was gonna get hit, just didn't know how hard.

Targeting

 

[planomateo]

Almost $22k in the GoFundMe account. The comments are hilarious.

 

[BamaFan334]

Targeting

Meh.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

Walker Brown

Donate to Help Walker with attorney fees and medical bills, organized by Jennifer Walker

Hi everyone. I am the guy in the bathroom fight video. I have laughed… Jennifer Walker needs your support for Help Walker with attorney fees and medical bills

www.gofundme.com

The fund is sitting at $67,000. No criminal charges will be filed, according to a release from the attorney:

ATTORNEY STATEMENT REGARDING CRIMINAL CHARGES AND HEALTH UPDATE:

"We have received confirmation from Greg Mashburn, Cleveland County District Attorney, that his office has declined to file any criminal charges against my client stemming from the events of February 13, 20201. We appreciate the thorough investigation conducted by Norman Police Detectives Brett Willer and Brian Franks. Despite attempts to convey alternative narratives by others, these Detectives remained vigilant in seeking out the truth about this incident.

Walker's bicep surgery was successful and he is recovering well. He again would like to convey his appreciation for all of the support he has received as a result of this situation. He remains overwhelmed by the encouragement he has received from friends and strangers through calls, texts and internet posts.

Although this closes the chapter on this incident as far as criminal liability, we are waiting to see if any civil lawsuits are filed. Our law firm stands ready to vigorously defend Walker against any cases brought against him by anyone associated with this situation. This being said, Walker will be unable to comment on the events of that evening until we know whether there will be future litigation.

Steve Stice, Attorney for Walker Brown
Talley, Turner, Stice and Bertman P.C.

 

[BamaFan334]

The fund is sitting at $67,000. No criminal charges will be filed, according to a release from the attorney:

ATTORNEY STATEMENT REGARDING CRIMINAL CHARGES AND HEALTH UPDATE:

"We have received confirmation from Greg Mashburn, Cleveland County District Attorney, that his office has declined to file any criminal charges against my client stemming from the events of February 13, 20201. We appreciate the thorough investigation conducted by Norman Police Detectives Brett Willer and Brian Franks. Despite attempts to convey alternative narratives by others, these Detectives remained vigilant in seeking out the truth about this incident.

Walker's bicep surgery was successful and he is recovering well. He again would like to convey his appreciation for all of the support he has received as a result of this situation. He remains overwhelmed by the encouragement he has received from friends and strangers through calls, texts and internet posts.

Although this closes the chapter on this incident as far as criminal liability, we are waiting to see if any civil lawsuits are filed. Our law firm stands ready to vigorously defend Walker against any cases brought against him by anyone associated with this situation. This being said, Walker will be unable to comment on the events of that evening until we know whether there will be future litigation.

Steve Stice, Attorney for Walker Brown
Talley, Turner, Stice and Bertman P.C.

Ha, knew this would happen. Big dollar lawyer chirps his mouth off to start and attempt to scare the other guy, he gets representation and then the truth comes out, bluff called. Done deal.

 

[planomateo]

Civil is the one you have to worry about, due to the financial ramifications. Easier to be found guilty in a civil case...at least that is my understanding.

 

[Sid Youngleman]

Civil is the one you have to worry about, due to the financial ramifications. Easier to be found guilty in a civil case...at least that is my understanding.

Correct. A criminal conviction generally requires proving guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." In civil cases, juries or judges are to reach their decision on the basis of "the preponderance of evidence" (i.e., the winner is whichever side appears on the basis of the evidence to be at least 51% in the right).

I'm not a lawyer but I play one on RTB.