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I personally think the hit on Hurts was football, but I obviously see that as they made the rule to soften these type hits, so it should have been called. The biggest issue I have with the reviewing in general is that there are still only certain plays that are reviewable which is bullshit. The SEC and NCAA make plenty of money to direct a crew to each game to watch it all offsite to call out anything of note like this. It just sounds dumb as hell, "umm well, only certain replays are reviewable". This allowing so much more room for human error. I know no one is perfect, but every flag and scoring play can EASILY be reviewed.
 
The hit on Hurts was targeting because the SOB led with the crown of his helmet! The hit WAS the damn definition of the rule! I'm sure Steve Shaw will have this looped and play it in the next meeting. Tim Williams and Ryan Anderson were just short of raped Saturday by their OTs and ONLY 1 DAMN holding penalty was thrown on them!! ONE!!!! Midway thru the 4th, I believe, and both were tackled in the damn end zone!! Should have been a safety as a result with BOTH the white hat and Center position official watching!!!
 
The hit on Hurts was targeting because the SOB led with the crown of his helmet! The hit WAS the damn definition of the rule! I'm sure Steve Shaw will have this looped and play it in the next meeting. Tim Williams and Ryan Anderson were just short of raped Saturday by their OTs and ONLY 1 DAMN holding penalty was thrown on them!! ONE!!!! Midway thru the 4th, I believe, and both were tackled in the damn end zone!! Should have been a safety as a result with BOTH the white hat and Center position official watching!!!

Yeah it was but its still a bullshit rule. I literally hate that rule. You can argue he should have gotten his head up, but at the same time he still hit him in the chin so it would still be technically a penalty. It obviously isnt a malicious intent by the defender, no matter how violent of a hit it was, and he didn't launch himself. The only targeting penalties I would like to see thrown is when a guy launches himself with the crown of the helmet at a defenseless player (or hitting a defenseless player in the head in general).
 
Yeah it was but its still a bullshit rule. I literally hate that rule. You can argue he should have gotten his head up, but at the same time he still hit him in the chin so it would still be technically a penalty. It obviously isnt a malicious intent by the defender, no matter how violent of a hit it was, and he didn't launch himself. The only targeting penalties I would like to see thrown is when a guy launches himself with the crown of the helmet at a defenseless player (or hitting a defenseless player in the head in general).

Sure looked to me like he launched himself.

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Are you seriously debating if he hit Hurts with the crown of his helmet? He lowers his head as he is about to make contact. That's launching and his butt should have been out of there.

Yes... thats obviously what I'm doing...

You can argue he should have gotten his head up, but at the same time he still hit him in the chin so it would still be technically a penalty.

Launching yourself has nothing to do with the crown of the helmet so I have no idea why you are putting the two things together (unless we're talking about launching yourself AND hitting with the crown of the helmet). He CLEARLY hit Jalen with the crown of his helmet, but he did not launch himself (as in pretty much leaving his feet and propelling himself off the ground to put more force into the hit)...
 
If all else fails, read the rules. Yes, I said rules, because there are TWO of them. Pick the one you wish because he was in violation of both!

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to: • Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground • Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14): • A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass. • A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier. • A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return. • A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.. • A player on the ground. • A player obviously out of the play. • A player who receives a blind-side block. • A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped. • A quarterback any time after a change of possession FR-88 rule 9 / Conduct of Players and Others Subject to the Rules • A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first.
 
Yes... thats obviously what I'm doing...



Launching yourself has nothing to do with the crown of the helmet so I have no idea why you are putting the two things together (unless we're talking about launching yourself AND hitting with the crown of the helmet). He CLEARLY hit Jalen with the crown of his helmet, but he did not launch himself (as in pretty much leaving his feet and propelling himself off the ground to put more force into the hit)...

So are you saying this was not targeting, that it shouldn't have been a penalty, or are you just trying to wow us with your verbal dexterity?
 
So are you saying this was not targeting, that it shouldn't have been a penalty, or are you just trying to wow us with your verbal dexterity?

Holy crap, bro, can you just go back to my posts and read them? I said that its targeting, by the letter of the law, I never disputed that. Not once. I said I personally dont like the rule unless a player is launching himself. You're trying to make an argument by claiming I said shit I didn't say.
 
Holy crap, bro, can you just go back to my posts and read them? I said that its targeting, by the letter of the law, I never disputed that. Not once. I said I personally dont like the rule unless a player is launching himself. You're trying to make an argument by claiming I said **** I didn't say.

No bro, you are simply into semantics. And you know bro, you are really quite emotional.
 
He CLEARLY hit Jalen with the crown of his helmet, but he did not launch himself (as in pretty much leaving his feet and propelling himself off the ground to put more force into the hit)...

I am not sure of what they consider launching so I won't get into that aspect of your debate; however, leaving your feet would reduce the force inflicted... "trying" to leave your feet but hitting the person BEFORE you leave the ground would inflict the maximum force. Again, I have no idea how the refs are instructed on enforcement of the launching rule... but making an observation... carry-on.

So, I got interested and looked up the rule with the "Indicators" ... See RedLine below.

TARGETING AND CROWN-OF-HELMET GUIDELINES FOR COACHES, PLAYERS AND OFFICIALS


INTRODUCTION

With the 2013 rule change that makes ejection from the game a part of the penalty for targeting fouls coaches, players and officials need to have a clear understanding of Rules 9-1-3 and 9-1-4. It is very important to understand that thesefouls have not changed from previous years, and officials should officiate these plays as in the past. The characterization of defenseless players has been expanded (see below), but otherwise these rules for the fouls remain as they have been. It is the penalty that has changed.

These guidelines are intended to assist everyone involved in the game to understand these rules, which are so important in protecting the safety of the student-athlete.



RULES

Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet (Rule 9-1-3)

No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.

Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4)

No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 2-27-14)

Note: Beginning in 2013, ejection from the game is a part of the penalty for violation of both Rule 9-1-3 and Rule 9-1-4.


KEY ELEMENTS

Target—to take aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball.

Crown of the Helmet—the top portion of the helmet.

Contact to the head or neck area—not only with the helmet, but also with the forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder—these can all lead to a foul.

Defenseless player—a player not in position to defend himself.

Examples (Rule 2-27-14):

  • A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
  • A receiver attempting to catch a pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
  • A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
  • A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick.
  • A player on the ground.
  • A player obviously out of the play.
  • A player who receives a blind-side block.
  • A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
  • A quarterback any time after a change of possession.

KEY INDICATORS

Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:

  • Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
  • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground
  • Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area
  • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet


These indicate less risk of a foul:

  • Heads-up tackle in which the crown of the helmet does not strike above the shoulders
  • Wrap-up tackle
  • Head is to the side rather than being used to initiate contact
  • Incidental helmet contact that is not part of targeting but is due to the players changing position during the course of play
 
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KEY INDICATORS

Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:

  • Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
  • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground
  • Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area
  • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet

Didn't seem to me he launched (or attempted to launch) or even the crouch. He simply came off the edge and blasted the dude, he did lead with his helmet and the crown of his helmet tho.
 

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