🏈 Ole Miss: Copy of FOIA petition released --

[18Champs]

An attorney representing one of the principles in the NCAA's investigation of Ole Miss told an Evansville, Ind. TV station the allegations against the school are "as close to the death penalty as you can get without having that actually happen."

In a interview with sports director Jojo Gentry of WEVVFox 44, attorney Bruse Lloyd, also said his client, Barney Farrar, "has been questioned extensively, in fact, five times by the NCAA about those allegations."

A source told the station Farrar, formerly the program's assistant athletic director for high school and junior college relations, that Farrar was being singled out by the school for four Level I allegations of the of the 21 a total charges against Ole Miss.

Farrar and offensive coordinator Dan Werner were fired by Ole Miss in December.

The source said the four Level I charges are as follows:

-- Providing lodging and transportation to Ole Miss Football recruits worth $2,200, and meals worth $235.

-- Providing false information knowingly about recruiting violations when asked by the NCAA and Ole Miss Football.

-- Boosters contacting one athlete committed to another NCAA football program, and allowed a cash payment(s) to that athlete worth $13-15,000.

--Distributing athletic gear, courtesy of a company owned by an Ole Miss booster, to recruits.

Attorney: Ole Miss allegations 'as close to the death penalty as you can get'

 

[TerryP]

BTW, according to what's been reported by the guy who filed the FOIA papers to see the NOA said they are supposed to release the notice the first full week of June. If I'm not mistaken it's Monday. (I posted it when I heard it...can't remember. :bandhead: )

 

[TerryP]

Here it is.

It's been about a month since there's been any update as far as I can recall. If you use the search function you should be able to find some updates.

That said, one name you'll find mentioned is Steve Robertson. He's a MSU guy that covers the Bulldogs. A few months ago he filed a FOIA request through the Mississippi Open Records act that Ole Miss stalled, stalled, and then decided to stall. Excuses ranged, but the most prevalent one was "we don't have it in our possession."

Recently he filed a complaint with the state ethics board/commission about their "non-compliance." There was a hearing scheduled and before that hearing Ole Miss told him they were "changing their position" and were willing (pause for a laugh if needed) to provide him with the names of the boosters and the names of the coaches in both NOA's. Ole Miss also said they'd release those names publicly in their answer to the second notice of allegations.

I don't recall the exact date without a calendar but I do recall it is the first Monday of the first full week of June. So, 20 days or so.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Freeze doesn't have a proactive bone in his body. He's been sticking with his story, including keeping complicit coaches and basically showing a willingness to go down with the ship. Sounds like the iceberg is quickly approaching.

 

[planomateo]

I'll believe it when I see it. NCAA is toothless.

 

[TerryP]

including keeping complicit coaches

They did fire Farrar. Including Werner in the article is not right. He was cleared by the NCAA.

I'll believe it when I see it. NCAA is toothless.

One can assume that until someone pulls this ...

-- Providing false information knowingly about recruiting violations when asked by the NCAA and Ole Miss Football.

They don't react well to being lied to. We've seen that in the past.

 

[TerryP]

Let's not forget this one major point about Ole Miss here, folks.

They were told by the SEC offices, as well as those in the NCAA, to stop. Not only did they continue, they upped the ante.

 

[OldPlayer]

Freeze doesn't have a proactive bone in his body. He's been sticking with his story, including keeping complicit coaches and basically showing a willingness to go down with the ship. Sounds like the iceberg is quickly approaching.

It's not up to Freeze to do anything at this point. If they start firing more coaches, they're admitting guilt. They're simply trying to minimize the punishment. If found guilty, the entire coaching staff will be gone.

 

[bama alum]

I'll believe it when I see it. NCAA is toothless.

Yep! Probably why Freeze has shown so much bravado.

 

[TUSKtimes]

It's not up to Freeze to do anything at this point. If they start firing more coaches, they're admitting guilt. They're simply trying to minimize the punishment. If found guilty, the entire coaching staff will be gone.

I was discussing a window of opportunity earlier to come clean and show attrition and compliance. Then an ole miss player started to confess on draft night and big brother decided to take another look. Terry often refers to it as "doubling down." That is exactly what Freeze is most guilty of here with the NCAA. They continued to carry out the same crime after they were warned.

 

[planomateo]

Ole Miss burned Farrar...does the NCAA find him credible?

Interesting to me that Ole Miss isn't throwing Freeze / Bjork under the bus. Don't know if Farrar and crew will be enough. Time will tell.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

Let's not forget this one major point about Ole Miss here, folks.

They were told by the SEC offices, as well as those in the NCAA, to stop. Not only did they continue, they upped the ante.

And if you anything about the history of SMU and the death penalty....that is what they did...told to stop payments...and continued them...
But i believes....the DP will never ever be used again...crippling stuff but not destroying stuff.

 

[TerryP]

And if you anything about the history of SMU and the death penalty....that is what they did...told to stop payments...and continued them...
But i believes....the DP will never ever be used again...crippling stuff but not destroying stuff.

I think most here, anywhere, will agree this is the attorney suffering from a case of hyperbole.

I've mentioned it briefly a few times so I'm going to repeat it, again.

I suspect when the sanctions are handed down people will look at them and call them light, a slap on the wrist. They'll do that looking at schools like USC and the numbers they lost. But, that's a case of comparing two programs that are totally different even though they are both Power 5.

A loss of 15 scholarships (as an example) at Ole Miss will have the same impact of the loss of 30 at a school like USC. The bigger they are the harder they have to be hit, if that makes sense.

 

[rammerjammer]

A loss of 15 scholarships (as an example) at Ole Miss will have the same impact of the loss of 30 at a school like USC. The bigger they are the harder they have to be hit, if that makes sense.

Makes perfect sense. Couple that with the fact of tradition and recruiting ground.(California is a hotbed of talent) It would take twice as much to hurt a program like USC as opposed to OM.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

No doubt about the impact of sanctions on a school like Ole Ms....in today's atmosphere...in a state like MS ...a loss of 20-30 scholarships would set them back a decade or more..Freeze would probably leave,.....not the money to recruit a hugh name as HC....Hotty Toddy would be the theme song in Starkvegas...

 

[TerryP]

.not the money to recruit a hugh name as HC

I have to disagree with you here--to a point.

There's plenty of money in Oxford to hire a big name coach. Now, getting their boosters to come off of that money is a totally different story.

Lest we forget, when Bama was dealing with its own issues and Coach Moore launched the fundraising / building drive our booster network stepped up to the plate in a huge way. BUT, that was Alabama. This is Ole Miss. We, as a fan base and boosters knew what could be built again. Ole Miss and their group only can dream of what might come.

 

[50+yeartidefan]

I have to disagree with you here--to a point.

There's plenty of money in Oxford to hire a big name coach. Now, getting their boosters to come off of that money is a totally different story.

Lest we forget, when Bama was dealing with its own issues and Coach Moore launched the fundraising / building drive our booster network stepped up to the plate in a huge way. BUT, that was Alabama. This is Ole Miss. We, as a fan base and boosters knew what could be built again. Ole Miss and their group only can dream of what might come.

Totally agree......in meaning the money.....was thinking more in game revenue...lot of difference between a 90-100 K stadium and a 50-60K stadium...
Although the TV revenue has leveled it out some....
Look how fast Penn State returned....
Ole MS is a sinking ship.....the rats will abandon it....Hotty Toddy

 

[TerryP]

Ole MS is a sinking ship.....the rats will abandon it....Hotty Toddy

They may do just that.

As stubborn as they've been in this whole ordeal who knows what kind of reactions they'll have. They very well may double-down again. Consider, Tunsil was seen driving as many as five different cars in his time at Ole Miss. Even after being warned, they just added more fuel to their "benefit train."

I'll ask forgiveness before broaching this subject. I don't like anyone bringing their spiritual beliefs into sports conversations to prove their points. In this case, I don't like what I'm about to do here. But, I'm doing it anyway.

When Earl Woods made the comment about Tiger's future and publicity being bigger than Jesus Christ I said, "that ain't going to end well."

When Chizik went on his bit about "it being a God thing" I said, "that ain't going to end well."

When Freeze started comparing himself and this to the persecution of Jesus Christ ...

This ain't going to end well.

You never know how people will react, or what they will do, when their ass is being nailed to the wall.

 

[alabama mike]

I do not see the death penalty happening again in college football IMO. I do see Ole Miss getting hit hard with scholarship reductions, loss of more bowl games and restrictions on what coach's can recruit off campus. As Terry said, 15 scholarships taken away at Ole Miss is a huge hit.

 

[No Huddle]

An attorney representing one of the principles in the NCAA's investigation of Ole Miss told an Evansville, Ind. TV station the allegations against the school are "as close to the death penalty as you can get without having that actually happen."

In a interview with sports director Jojo Gentry of WEVVFox 44, attorney Bruse Lloyd, also said his client, Barney Farrar, "has been questioned extensively, in fact, five times by the NCAA about those allegations."

A source told the station Farrar, formerly the program's assistant athletic director for high school and junior college relations, that Farrar was being singled out by the school for four Level I allegations of the of the 21 a total charges against Ole Miss.

Farrar and offensive coordinator Dan Werner were fired by Ole Miss in December.

The source said the four Level I charges are as follows:

-- Providing lodging and transportation to Ole Miss Football recruits worth $2,200, and meals worth $235.

-- Providing false information knowingly about recruiting violations when asked by the NCAA and Ole Miss Football.

-- Boosters contacting one athlete committed to another NCAA football program, and allowed a cash payment(s) to that athlete worth $13-15,000.

--Distributing athletic gear, courtesy of a company owned by an Ole Miss booster, to recruits.

Attorney: Ole Miss allegations 'as close to the death penalty as you can get'

And that was just for Robert K.