🏈 Northwestern's football players win NLRB ruling

[bamafan4ever]

A different post because it's a different thought on this subject.

In the SEC, 13 of the 14 states are "right to work" states: Kentucky being the exception.

Add Missouri to Kentucky......

 

[planomateo]

Add Missouri to Kentucky......

See how easy it is to forget about the Show Me State...

 

[TheChief]

I've attended college as a D1 athlete on scholarship. I also went to college while working full-time. I say if the athletes want to be paid, work somewhere full-time and pay for their education. Trust me, they don't have it as bad as they think.

 

[TerryP]

[MENTION=11330]bamafan4ever[/MENTION] I thought about Missourri when I left the house to do some shopping...so 12 of 14 states, which is still half of the total of right to work states and what, 85% of the conference?

 

[riz]

This is all going to end very badly.

 

[bamafan4ever]

<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> @bamafan4ever <!-- END TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> I thought about Missourri when I left the house to do some shopping...so 12 of 14 states, which is still half of the total of right to work states and what, 85% of the conference?

Absolutely. I am only Missouri-conscious because I lived there before moving to GA and they are union happy.

 

[musso]

Just an idle thought here on differences in players mentality.

We all know guys like AJ spent hours in the film room looking to improve his game. What was his motivation to do so? Was it about the team, about his future dreams, about winning?

Colter, in the same position at Northwestern, says he spent 40+ hours a week in their football facility. I'd assume it was doing the same thing AJ was doing at Bama. That's not a stretch, right?

Yet, Colter says "it was a job" due to the number of hours.

If we were to get down to the crux of the matter, the motivating factor for guys like McCarron, Murray, Bortles, and other QB's who are at the elite level in collegiate play, how to they describe their time spent? Are they calling it "a job," or are they looking at the time spent as "self-help/personal improvement?"

Haha, self-help? Did A.J. not also help the University and all of its business partners?

A.J. is pretty clear where he stands.

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[psychojoe]

Just don't see how this ends well. Instead of scholarship, players may well be offered contracts. Will there be signing bonuses for top tier recruits? Will a player be able to transfer to a higher paying school.

I can picture some schools dropping these sports or dropping to a lower level rather than deal with the hassle. Not every school has a surplus in their athletic funds from which to pay these players. I saw on former player today saying that even athletes in non revenue sports. Considering that many schools use surplus coming from revenue sports to fund the non revenue sports, and thus break even.

I will venture a prediction that if this goes forward,the result will be fewer schools, and thus fewer scholarships playing D-1 football. I do not thnk hat is what the NW players have in mind.

 

[TheChief]

You know, the more I think about this topic the more I'm siding with the players. Saban can make 5 million and Johnny Football can't sell his autograph for ten bucks? That's ridiculous. The NFL should have a minor league system. The players of college age should play in that system and make money. Universities should do away with college sports and do what they are supposed to be doing: educating the young people of today for tomorrow's work force. Money has created this money hungry beast we're witnessing right now. Coaching salaries and administrative salaries should be decided in the professional free market.

 

[TheChief]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/ohio-state-athletic-director-18000-bonus-wrestling/

The Athletic Director at The Ohio State University receives $18,000 because the school’s 141 pound class wrestler won a national title. How is this right?

The NCAA signed a television contract worth 10 BILLION dollars for the rights to the national tournament. The tourney stands to make a billion this year alone. Slightly over 1,000 athletes competed in this year’s tourney. Divide that out and it amounts to about a million dollars a player, only the funny thing is not one of them will get any of that money.

The college system amounts to a free minor league system for football and basketball. Coach K, one of the best coaches in that system, will make about 7.2 million when all is said and done. He’s the highest paid basketball coach on the planet, yet he coaches in a minor league system.

What the athletes should be doing, instead of simply forming a union, is suing the NCAA for fraud, perpetrated to justify the bloated budgets of the NCAA itself. The schools and professional sports have acted in collusion to prevent athletes from profiting. Look at all the millionaires made off the backs of the athletes. If school presidents were really in education for the right reasons, they would do away with college sports now.

 

[TheChief]

Sorry about the small font, but when I type a long message on this board my keyboard sticks continually, making it virtually impossible to write anything of any length. I wrote this message without pause or backspacing so it hasn't been affected. If anyone knows a fix, I'll do it.

 

[TheChief]

http://lawweb2009.law.villanova.edu/sportslaw/?p=1765

Players are forced to go to college and here's why-

 

[planomateo]

Get a new keyboard

Is it only this forum? Does the same happen in a word document or anything?

 

[TheChief]

No, I can type on any other forum and it doesn't happen. Doesn't happen in Word. Doesn't happen in this forum unless I backspace to correct.

 

[musso]

You know, the more I think about this topic the more I'm siding with the players.

Haha. Careful TheChief, removing illusions can be dangerous around here.

Birdman37 = Neo ........

http://youtu.be/Czb3JG5YyTU

 

[TerryP]

Sorry about the small font, but when I type a long message on this board my keyboard sticks continually, making it virtually impossible to write anything of any length. I wrote this message without pause or backspacing so it hasn't been affected. If anyone knows a fix, I'll do it.

Your settings on the backend are just the same as anyone else here...I've no clue why that's happening, but guessing makes me think it's something on your end. Keyboard sticks? As in repeats the same letter?

 

[TheChief]

No, Terry, it's typing and nothing happens. I type pretty fast and it will skip a whole word, then several letters, like it's saving or something and the keyboard is inoperable. As long as I don't backspace or hit enter, it never happens. Like now.

 

[TheChief]

 

[psychojoe]

Perhaps the answer is to eliminate athletic scholarships altogether. That would quickly dry up the TV money. Those who really love their schools would continue to support their teams.

There would be big losers here:

1.The NCAA would no longer be anything other than a loose association of competing schools, and would no longer wield the big club of all that money.

2. The NFL would lose their cheap farm system, and since very few high school players are NFL ready, they would have to invest a lot of money to develop their players.

3. ESPN would lose its biggest attraction.

4. This is one that bothers me some. There are athletes out there who receive scholarships who are not NFL or NBA prospects, but use their scholarship to actually get a degree and work in their chosen field. Many of these athletes would not otherwise be able to attend college because of the expense involved.

The good side of doing this:

1. See 1 above. The sham organization that is the NCAA would die off, or at least shrink considerably.

2. The hypocrisy of giving a college scholarship to player who are academically unqualified of at best marginally qualified would go away.

3. I hate "one and done". That goes away, and the NBA develop its own players.

4. The colleges and universities regain some dignity, and get back to the business of educating students. No more star athletes majoring in eligibility to coddle.

5. My favorite. The NCAA would be forced to lay off their hundreds of bureaucrats, and these people might actually do something beneficial to our society.

6 In line with number 5, colleges cold channel those employees now devoted to "compliance" back into real education.


I doubt anything this extreme would happen, but as you can see, there would be many benefits.

 

[TerryP]

Two times in this thread I've seen reference to colleges getting back to education.

I think about what that's saying, and it isn't delved into deeply in this thread, and wonder how this notion colleges aren't doing that? Seriously, this is dealing with .024% of the student population.

The success of the Athletic Department trickles down to affecting the University on the academic side. Greatly! The last reporting cycle had the Ath. Dept. contributing 7MM to the academic side. We've seen increases in the total student body, the overall academic standings of freshman coming in, plus a multitude of other pluses.

Perhaps I'm reading what's being said incorrectly...certainly doesn't click.