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🏈 Muschamp expected to target Kirby Smart
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I didn't read the entire article so there may well be some connection I don't know about, but I have no idea why he'd leave. Bama is recruiting like crazy right now, he'll have an experienced defense coming back next year that will make him look worlds better than what we saw at times this year. He's making a huge paycheck as it is and will probably get another increase if the UF offer is actually true.
I'd be more concerned about McElwain leaving seeking greener pastures and all. Bama has loads of talent but I don't see Saban letting him open it up anytime soon. All that being said, he'll still have all the visibility in the world and pay checks as large as he'll get anywhere. He is far from a slam dunk to leave, either.
I'd be more concerned about McElwain leaving seeking greener pastures and all. Bama has loads of talent but I don't see Saban letting him open it up anytime soon. All that being said, he'll still have all the visibility in the world and pay checks as large as he'll get anywhere. He is far from a slam dunk to leave, either.
You speak of the connection, I did not know this, but they have a long history coaching together from Valdosta state as well as at LSU, and Smart and Muschamp are very good friends off the field-- as in, they spend time together during the offseason; that said, they have a strong connection with each other, though, I dont know if that is enough to make someone move from the Alabama D coordinator job to the Florida one, seems about as much of a lateral move as you can make.
Well, playing devil's advocate--it may not be out of the question for Smart to take the leap. If he is close with Muschamp, the money will be the same if not higher and he'll still have access to top flight talent. It is definitely a lateral move. Florida doesn't really offer him anything Bama doesn't, perhaps a touch easier recruiting but not by much. Both programs have similar visibility and recent MNCs to hang their hats on. I guess it depends on whether he wants to work with Saban or whether he feels he's learned enough from Nick and could offer a close friend assistance in building a program. Who knows?
If Smart were to go to Florida and work under Muschamp--can you imagine the defense they'd put on the field? I wonder how many arguments there would be in the film room between Smart and Muschamp arguing about whether the DBs should look at the damn ball or not!
Oh, I agree 100% though, it probably all comes down to the money, there is just no way anyone can predict what will happen next, so, as you say, who knows?
Smart wouldn't go and here is why.
- Nothing is keeping Kirby from leaving, so that implies that he is staying because he likes what has.
- There is nothing in Gainesville to lure him away. Its a lateral move, lateral money, and positions him no better for getting an HC job.
- At Bama, an HC job will come call in in a couple of years, which an established CNS can overcome. If the same was true of UF, he would being doing CWM a dis-service by bailing in year 1-2.
- He will have to play with a team that is not built like Bama's and an inbound class that is part UF and part Muschamp. (He will look more impressive as a coach at Bama than at UF.)
- Saban mentored, Dooley or Tennessee, Muschamp of Florida, and Fisher of Florida State. How does leaving Saban for Muschamp help him in anyway?
- Nothing is keeping Kirby from leaving, so that implies that he is staying because he likes what has.
- There is nothing in Gainesville to lure him away. Its a lateral move, lateral money, and positions him no better for getting an HC job.
- At Bama, an HC job will come call in in a couple of years, which an established CNS can overcome. If the same was true of UF, he would being doing CWM a dis-service by bailing in year 1-2.
- He will have to play with a team that is not built like Bama's and an inbound class that is part UF and part Muschamp. (He will look more impressive as a coach at Bama than at UF.)
- Saban mentored, Dooley or Tennessee, Muschamp of Florida, and Fisher of Florida State. How does leaving Saban for Muschamp help him in anyway?
I don't think Smart makes a lateral move just based on their having played together at UGA and being close friends. Muschamp will have a tough road ahead of him since he replaces Urban who won 2 titles in 6 years. He may win 7-8 games in 2 years and be fired. Why would Kirby leave and take that risk?
You know, thinking about that some more-- do you really think that a friendship is enough to pull you to an equal if not lower salary under a less proven, less likely to win next year, and probably worse coach at a school that values football just the same as Alabama?? There's no way Smart goes to Florida to become a D coordinator under Will Muschamp. Your job and your career are worth more than your friendship.
This....
And yall don't think it will be the same with Muschamp? Not saying he won't go, I'm just saying that if he does, he'll still be working for someone who will probably run the defense himself.
To be honest, I have no idea. The post before the one you responded to I proclaimed he wouldn't go. You mentioned the connection so I'm basically arguing with myself! Staying at Alabama Smart runs the risk of his defense being thought of as a "Saban System" and not so much reflective of his hardwork; I'm not saying it will definitely happen, that is just something that popped into my head as I was typing this. IF he were to take the Florida job and field a solid defense there, his stock skyrockets. In the realm of lateral moves, this may not actually be THAT bad of a move. It is still not a move I would suggest but it wouldn't be the worse thing he could ever do, either.
Well, the only problem I have with that, and btw, right now this is really a discussion of things that are so specific I doubt many of them matter one bit, but do you not think that the Florida program now, the program that has just hired a bonafide D-Coordinator in Will Muschamp (as in, its not a guy that has been a HC for years now like Saban was, it's a guy in Muschamp that will still think EXACTLY like a D Coordinator would) will not be thought of as Muschamp's Defense? See (I hope this all makes sense) but I would actually think next year's Defense for Florida will actually be thought of as more of the HC's than Alabama's will be. I think Kirby gets a TON of credit for putting that defense together at Alabama, sure there's always "Lets see what Saban can concoct on this third down," but I think Kirby will get more credit for what kind of Defense Alabama has than he would for Floridas... and plus I think Bama's defense will be better than Floridas, though I really have no idea about Florida's, I just know Bama's will be good. THEREFORE, I think Kirby's proverbial stock rises greater at Bama than it would for Florida. And I do think Kirby hits the road after NEXT year, obviously if he's not already gone after this one.
It would be a Stupid move and it would be a slap in the face to CNS and a major Fisting! KS would be telling CNS that he doesn't appreciate anything he's done for him...Not to mention with muschamp being portrayed as the savior for Florida and the greatest DC in college football, No matter who takes the DC job for Florida, if the gators D is really good, its because that's muschamps Defense, and if the Gators D sucks it will be the fault of whoever the DC is and everyone will say that Muschamp hasn't spent enough time putting his Defense together because he trusted in the abilities of whoever he hires to be the DC! The Gator family will demand that muschamp fire the DC and implement his defense, eventho its positively going to Be MUSCHAMPS DEFENSE FROM DAY 1! So if KS wants out from under CNS Defense which would be stupid, He will take a giant step backwards and Be under muschamps Defense! Being under CNS is the best position to be in, in all of college football until a HC job comes calling! Just ask Bo P-Nebraska, Jumbo Fisher-Florida, D.Dooley-TN, and Will Muschamp-Florida for that matter! KS is in the Best Position in the country....#1 candidate to take Alabama when CNS retires...I really hope that's not anytime soon! I'm in no hurry for CNS to leave because no matter who replaces him it will be a huge loss for us and a major drop off!
Roll Tide Roll!
Roll Tide Roll!
As everyone always says: THIS ^^^^
And totally agree, being the D-coordinator under CNS right now is about as good a coordinator position, both in the job itself and what you're in line for, as you can get in the country... And Kirby is still young, take some time, learn more..
I guess I'm going to be the one with the different viewpoint.
What if Kirby just wants to go coach with a close friend? What if, when they both started coaching 12 years ago, they had an agreement that they would both coach together if the other got a head coaching gig? I mean, they played together. They've coached together at numerous jobs in the past. Why does it have to be a slap in the face of Nick Saban for Kirby Smart to want to help build a team back up with a long time friend?
It will hurt somewhat on the recruiting trail, but Nick Saban was recruiting blue chips before Smart and he'll recruit them after. I just don't see this being a sign of disrespect on Kirby's part nor do I see it as the end of the world. Saban will likely promote someone on the staff already familiar with the scheme, he'll hire another outstanding recruiter to hit the trail and the we'll head into the spring with the same philosophy on defense that we've had since Saban arrived.
With or without Smart, business as usual.
What if Kirby just wants to go coach with a close friend? What if, when they both started coaching 12 years ago, they had an agreement that they would both coach together if the other got a head coaching gig? I mean, they played together. They've coached together at numerous jobs in the past. Why does it have to be a slap in the face of Nick Saban for Kirby Smart to want to help build a team back up with a long time friend?
It will hurt somewhat on the recruiting trail, but Nick Saban was recruiting blue chips before Smart and he'll recruit them after. I just don't see this being a sign of disrespect on Kirby's part nor do I see it as the end of the world. Saban will likely promote someone on the staff already familiar with the scheme, he'll hire another outstanding recruiter to hit the trail and the we'll head into the spring with the same philosophy on defense that we've had since Saban arrived.
With or without Smart, business as usual.
***They did not play together. Kirby started the year after CWM left.
But you're right, it surely won't be the end of the world nor a HUGE SLAP IN THE FACE, like people are saying, but the guy's good, I mean he's a very hot commodity right now and they're saying its a slap in the face due to the fact that, I mean, he owes much of his success to Saban, do you disagree? But to expand on the slap in the face idea tho, remember, if that occurred, it would be an Alabama D-coordinator leaving to go be the D-coordinator at Florida-- its leaving to go do the same job at a rival school. But in the end, we'd be fine, and we may even get someone better than Smart that recruits better... but it'd be a minor, and maybe just very very minor, setback.
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