🏈 Mississippi State Week

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Saturday marks the next "the biggest game" of Alabama's year, and with that in mind please allow me to opine.

One thing I do week to week is compare games our current opponent has played against teams that we have played. I know it is not an exact science--that it doesn't account for intangibles such as the intricacies of rivalries, a team's perception of a perceived weaker opponent, etc--but I believe there is something to be gained from rooting around in a season's history.

For example, going into Dearth Valley our common opponents with LSU at that point in the season was Florida and Ole Miss.

LSU beat Florida 30 to 27, and this led me to believe that LSU's defense was not what it has been in past years. We beat Florida 42 to 21. All of Florida's points, of course, came as a result of Alabama turnovers in their territory. We have improved significantly in this area, so I considered the score as actually 42 to 0. Florida was dominated on both sides of the ball.

LSU beat Ole Sister 10 to 7, and the old hag, of course beat us 23 to 17. I'm still convinced that we were the better team in Oxford that day, but the jitters got the best of us. Be that as it may, we scored 17 points on a defense that held LSU to 7.

After examining our common opponents, I expected Alabama to win comfortably at LSU, provided they showed up with their A-game.

Their A-game was, of course, left in the locker room until overtime, and until then the guys played like bulimic teenagers after a purge.

Now Mississippi State is upon us, the number one ranked team in the country. Our common SEC opponents with them are LSU, TAM, and Arkansas.

LSU lost to State 34 to 29. This was earlier in the season (week four) and if played now, due to the improvement of LSU, I believe the outcome would have been different. Either way, LSU scored 29 points against State's so called psycho defense. The kitty's scored a paltry 13 against the Redwood Forest, and three of those came after a Yeldon fumble at the LSU five yard-line.

TAM (week five) scored 31 points in their loss to state. Against the Tide TAM scored...need I say more?

States week eight game against Arkansas was more impressive then our week six game against the Hogs. State won by seven. However, Alabama was still growing and it was Sims' first road game of significance. I may be entirely subjective here, but Alabama is significantly better than Arkansas and should have come out Fayetteville with a convincing win. Alabama has, in my opinion, improved tremendously week to week.

With all that said, I feel good about Alabama with the number one team coming to Tuscaloosa. Offensively and defensively we are the better team, hands down.

My main concern about this game is we're playing them after a brutal game at Dearth Valley. Remember the State game last year? We went into Starkville the week after LSU was in town, and it took awhile for the offense to get going. We were a 26 point (?) favorite going into that game, and we won 20 to 7. And Prescott wasn't the opposing quarterback.

We are favored by 6.5 points (?) in this game, but if we go into next week lethargic like last year the outcome could be different. State is hungry and we can expect them to come in firing on all cylinders.
 
LSU lost to State 34 to 29. This was earlier in the season (week four) and if played now, due to the improvement of LSU, I believe the outcome would have been different.

The difference is, to me anyway, that LSWho? has progressed with the season just as State has regressed. Just remember that State somewhat struggled with UAB, Kentucky, and for at least the first half UT Martin. A number one team should have mudholed the latter the way we did tamu.

It's easy to bet Bama bucks since they're not real. I don't gamble (I'm a teacher; I don't have any money anyway), but if I did, I would nearly bet the house that Bama will cover that -6.5 spread Saturday.

Btw, Prescott is hurting. If Reuben finds him on the field, uh oh...
 
It sounds like you're giving our team the benefit of the doubt with "jitters" and still growing etc, but you're not doing the same to the competition. Mississippi State drilled LSU and that score is nowhere indicative of how the game actually was. Mississippi State will beat us if we play like we have on the road. If we play like we have been at home, I don't think many teams could beat us, maybe Oregon or TCU (at this time), but that's it. We better have our act together, because Mississippi State likes to jump out fast and take a commanding lead forcing their opponents to play catch up the entire game while time continues to be a disadvantage to the challenger. If we can maintain our home domination, we will beat them, if we play at all like we have at away games, chalk this up as a loss in my eyes. Their running back is a little bowling ball, and Prescott himself will be a better runner and thrower than Jennings and Bo Wallace. I'm looking very much to the game this weekend.
 
If we were playing at Starkville, I'd be betting my Bama Bucks on Ms State. Not really, I don't bet against my Crimson Tide. I would be really worried, though. This version of the Tide seems to excel at home in Bryant-Denny. I feel good about the remainder of the regular season because we play them at home.
 
I agree @BamaFan334 100 %. If you'll notice I said my hobby wasn't scientific. I also stated that if Bama doesn't go into that game with the right mindset they stand to lose.

I don't understand, however, how you can say that Mississippi State "drilled" LSU. Where did State drill LSU? Offensively? State scored 34. Did they drill LSU defensively? LSU scored 29. That's a FIVE point difference. It doesn't matter when those points were scored, we are still talking five points. That doesn't sound like a drilling to me.
 
I'm not sure we can draw much of anything from a game played that far back in the season. LSU's defense is much improved and Miss St's secondary has proven to be a liability. Development over the season is something that has to be taken into consideration and the LSU that Miss St beat back at the start of the year is not the same LSU team that we played Saturday night.
 
The LSwho defense improved when they inserted Beckwith in the MLB spot and took out their version of Jake Holland.
The game was played a month ago and LSwho did look dead in the water. Then Miss State went prevent defense and we all know how that goes. It sometimes prevents you from winning. State also subbed out their starters on both sides too trying to build depth.
 
They were winning 34-10 in the 4th quarter. That sounds like a thumping if you ask me. Kid LSU scored 14 points with less than two minutes left while I'm sure some backups were in, so five points is not telling the whole story, and I think a lot of folks agree with me on that. It was not a close game.
 
@BamaFan334 we'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not five points constitutes a "thumping" or a "close game."

Assuming Alabama plays like they did against TAM, do you seriously believe TCU or Oregon could beat them? Should TCU or Oregon or both be ranked above Alabama come Tuesday evening? I would argue that there is not a team in the country that could beat Alabama if they played with the same intensity they unleashed on TAM, and I know there's a lot of folks who agree with me on that.
 
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@BamaFan334 we'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not five points constitutes a "thumping" or a "close game."

Assuming Alabama plays like they did against TAM, do you seriously believe TCU or Oregon could beat them? Should TCU or Oregon or both be ranked above Alabama come Tuesday evening? I would argue that there is not a team in the country that could beat Alabama if they played with the same intensity they unleashed on TAM, and I know there's a lot of folks who agree with me on that.


Did the Alabama-Tennessee game seem like a close game, or did you feel like we thumped them? I remember us coming out hot and laying it on them, them making a little comback to get within 10, and then us scoring late in 3rd early 4th. The score was not indicative of us thumping them, so that's what I'm getting at, a score can be deceiving.

If Alabama plays like we did against Arkansas or Ole Miss, do you think we can hang with TCU or Oregon? See, I can turn that around to a game we were far from playing well in to make the argument slanted way in my favor. If we play like we have away from home, we get killed by a couple of teams. If we play like we have at home, we can be National Champions. That Texas A&M game was the most lively I've seen our team at all year and you could tell they were having fun. Personally, I don't think Florida State is a Top 4 team. Yes, they are undefeated and I had them losing twice this season. I am about two plays from looking like a genius on that one, but yet, they are still undefeated. When they play a team that can actually sustain a four quarter complete game they will lose. I think Alabama, TCU, Oregon, and maybe Ohio State or Arizona State are the Top 4 teams in America. If we beat Mississippi State that is. If they beat us, they belong in the spot I slotted us at. We have the most talented team in the country, but extracting all of that talent at once has been an up and down instance this season. We're hot and cold. Call me crazy, but that's where I stand.
 
Mississippi State returns alot from last year. Believe they have 8 returning on both sides of the ball, not to mention a majority are seniors - 12 senior starters, 4 seniors on the 2 deep (per Steele early in the summer).

This is whats making them the most dangerous team, not to mention we play them after LSU. This was the game I was most worried about this year at the beginning of the season.
 
@planomateo I had heard that both Ole Miss and Miss St had some crazy numbers like that. Of 22 starters, one had 16 that were juniors and seniors, and the other had 18 juniors and seniors. Definitely experience on their side.
We are banged up physically but I feel that we play so much better at home. I think our youth gains their energy from our crowd and the noise. We need to bring it hard this weekend!!!
 
@BamaFan334 "Did the Alabama-Tennessee game seem like a close game, or did you feel like we thumped them?"

I wouldn't classify the game as a "thumping," but we did win by 14 points. Tennessee scored 17 unanswered points in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. I believe this had a lot to do with our defense's lack of knowledge of Dobbs. Like Saban said, "You can't prepare for a ghost."

"If Alabama plays like we did against Arkansas or Ole Miss, do you think we can hang with TCU or Oregon?"

Absolutely. Arkansas and Ole Miss are good teams. And both would give TCU or Oregon a run for their money.

I would like to hear your defense of ranking TCU, Oregon, and "maybe" Ohio State or Arizona State as the "Top 4 teams in America." I'm not being a smart-aleck here. I'd truly like to know. Maybe your seeing something that I'm not.

"See, I can turn that around to a game we were far from playing well in to make the argument slanted way in my favor."

First, 334, If we're playing games here, you were the first to roll the dice. I posted my thoughts on common opponents we have shared with two teams, and you commented on what I wrote. I'm simply replying to your reply.

You imply I slanted the argument in my favor. How so? I simply pointed out our differing definitions of "thumping" and "drilled", and then asked you if TCU and Oregon should be ranked above Alabama. If you believe they should, I'm not going to hate you for that. You are an Alabama fan, after all. I just want to know why you believe that, if you do, as I've stated.

"If we play like we have away from home, we get killed by a couple of teams."

Which two teams?

"If we play like we have at home, we can be National Champions."

I agree. Our only difference here is I would substitute the word "will" for "can." Call me crazy, but that's where I stand.
 
@BamaFan334 "Did the Alabama-Tennessee game seem like a close game, or did you feel like we thumped them?"

I wouldn't classify the game as a "thumping," but we did win by 14 points. Tennessee scored 17 unanswered points in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. I believe this had a lot to do with our defense's lack of knowledge of Dobbs. Like Saban said, "You can't prepare for a ghost."

"If Alabama plays like we did against Arkansas or Ole Miss, do you think we can hang with TCU or Oregon?"

Absolutely. Arkansas and Ole Miss are good teams. And both would give TCU or Oregon a run for their money.

I would like to hear your defense of ranking TCU, Oregon, and "maybe" Ohio State or Arizona State as the "Top 4 teams in America." I'm not being a smart-aleck here. I'd truly like to know. Maybe your seeing something that I'm not.

"See, I can turn that around to a game we were far from playing well in to make the argument slanted way in my favor."

First, 334, If we're playing games here, you were the first to roll the dice. I posted my thoughts on common opponents we have shared with two teams, and you commented on what I wrote. I'm simply replying to your reply.

You imply I slanted the argument in my favor. How so? I simply pointed out our differing definitions of "thumping" and "drilled", and then asked you if TCU and Oregon should be ranked above Alabama. If you believe they should, I'm not going to hate you for that. You are an Alabama fan, after all. I just want to know why you believe that, if you do, as I've stated.

"If we play like we have away from home, we get killed by a couple of teams."

Which two teams?

"If we play like we have at home, we can be National Champions."

I agree. Our only difference here is I would substitute the word "will" for "can." Call me crazy, but that's where I stand.


I am not going to waste my time responding and explaining myself to someone that thinks Arkansas could hang and possibly beat Oregon or TCU. They are better than a lot of people think in my eyes, but they are nowhere close to competing with the teams I mentioned. Anything I say will not compute or be understood if you honestly believe that. Ole Miss can't either.
 
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