🏈 Lane Kiffin officially the new OC @ Alabama

[JoshB]

That was actually agent related and fell on Todd McNair.

I meant under the Carroll regime.

 

[musso]

Is it logical for me to assume if you think Kiffin's going to be trouble you don't believe Saban "has this?"

it is so funny to watch how so many fans now pull the "trust Saban" card. it is so difficult to simply say, "beats the hell outta me!" lol

sort of defeats the purpose of discussion if every concern or question can be easily remedied with "Saban knows best, he is omniscient, kneel before Saban, etc."

everyone here knows for a fact that had someone proposed a month ago that Saban would want Kiffin as OC, the whole board would have flamed that "crazy" poster out of here! haha

 

[TerryP]

I meant under the Carroll regime.

:icon_thumright:

 

[Argo]

it is so funny to watch how so many fans now pull the "trust Saban" card. it is so difficult to simply say, "beats the hell outta me!" lol

sort of defeats the purpose of discussion if every concern or question can be easily remedied with "Saban knows best, he is omniscient, kneel before Saban, etc."

everyone here knows for a fact that had someone proposed a month ago that Saban would want Kiffin as OC, the whole board would have flamed that "crazy" poster out of here! haha

Only if it were you.

 

[JoshB]

Musso is such a positive guy... :biggrin_blue:

 

[TerryP]

it is so funny to watch how so many fans now pull the "trust Saban" card. it is so difficult to simply say, "beats the hell outta me!" lol

sort of defeats the purpose of discussion if every concern or question can be easily remedied with "Saban knows best, he is omniscient, kneel before Saban, etc."

everyone here knows for a fact that had someone proposed a month ago that Saban would want Kiffin as OC, the whole board would have flamed that "crazy" poster out of here! haha

Then why didn't you post this comment on a forum where members have pulled this "trust Saban card?"

 

[musso]

Then why didn't you post this comment on a forum where members have pulled this "trust Saban card?"

did you miss the quote used in my post? i even put in bold the most pertinent fragment of your quote.

 

[musso]

Musso is such a positive guy... :biggrin_blue:

just trying to keep it real. :biggrin_blue:

 

[Nothing_But_A_Winner00]

I'll defer to Saban since he's the coach and doesn't care for my opinion.

On the hire: I think it makes sense for both parties. Saban will get the recruiter and a coordinator that has had success, an he will be muzzled as all assistants are. Kiffin gets a chance to shut up and work. I like it.

 

[Brandon Van de Graaff]

Boom!

 

[Old Timer from TX]

It gets richer with every post, OT.

It's one thing telling me how things happen at Bama, but now you're trying to tell me things at TX and you're missing the boat here, as well?

In 2008, when he was hired at TX, he was hired as the running back coach. He was then promoted to co-offensive coordinator. (Now, I could go to the point of citing articles from sites like ESPN, but I'll stick to the official Texas athletic web site.)

...and Applewhite was eventually promoted as the Co-OC and then the OC. I never stated that Applewhite went from Alabama OC straight to Texas OC like you want to believe.

 

[bamafan4ever]

...and Applewhite was eventually promoted as the Co-OC and then the OC. I never stated that Applewhite went from Alabama OC straight to Texas OC like you want to believe.

What are you talking about?

 

[TerryP]

did you miss the quote used in my post? i even put in bold the most pertinent fragment of your quote.

No, didn't miss that at all.

What you have chosen not to include in what you've quoted is the context of the conversation. You've taken one sentence in a conversation and attempted to use it to characterize a stance that we should trust Saban with all of his decisions.

After spending over a week with Saban, don't you think Kiffin understands what's required? That pretty well encapsulates how I'm looking at this. I tend to believe Saban has not only been very specific with what's required as well as possessing the ability to keep Lane in line.

Is it logical for me to assume if you think Kiffin's going to be trouble you don't believe Saban "has this?"

Not only that, it's question posed. It's not a blanket statement like you've asserted.

I'll pose the same question to you.

Kiffin spent eight days with Saban. Do you think he hasn't explained to Kiffin exactly what's required in the job, what is within his standards and what's crossing the line? Do you believe there's a stone left unturned in their conversations?

If you say, "I don't know," you're doing so just to save face. I wouldn't trouble myself if I were you. There's no face to save—there's a black eye you'll just have to wear.

 

[TerryP]

...and Applewhite was eventually promoted as the Co-OC and then the OC. I never stated that Applewhite went from Alabama OC straight to Texas OC like you want to believe.

What you attempted to tell me is I was wrong when I said that Applewhite took a step backwards when took the TX job. This is after you stated he left because "Saban was a control freak."

OT, once again, you're talking about something where you have no clue what happened.

I chalked up your comments about Saban as fan exuberance all the time feeling empathy for you because you were being misled so badly. With a degree of reservation I accepted your opinions on Suddes as a case where you didn't know him, much less what he brings to a football program. Now, with Applewhite, my suspicion is you're talking about of your ass.

Applewhite didn't leave because Saban was a control freak. Applewhite left because he was being demoted at Bama and he was offered a position at Texas—a step backwards in his coaching career. In reality, it would mean it was his second demotion in his first year in Tuscaloosa if he had ended up staying in on our staff.

No. Applewhite was a co-OC at Texas before he became the sole OC. Yes, he was also in charge of coaching RBs, but Mack knew that he was getting Applewhite to be the eventual OC.

No. Pretty definitive statement.

There's not a thing in what I posted earlier that's wrong.

One thing you're missing because of a lack of exposure and knowledge about our program. Major, as a player and a coach, was a fan favorite. There's no one here that holds ill-will towards him.

 

[ElephantStomp]

I have nothing bad to say about Major or hold any ill will towards him.

But, I will say he was and needed to be demoted at Alabama. Anybody that believes otherwise hasn't been paying attention to facts and proof. We see what he's done @ Texas which according to my math is nothing

 

[riz]

If we're making our judgement based on this...I want Groh!

Hory mackera

 

[TerryP]

I just received a text from a guy in the newspaper business in B-ham. He said that Auburn fans have "kept the phone lines lit up" criticizing the Kiffin hire.

One could easily argue there's a case of sound proof it was a good hire. :biggrin_blue:

 

[Old Timer from TX]

What you attempted to tell me is I was wrong when I said that Applewhite took a step backwards when took the TX job. This is after you stated he left because "Saban was a control freak."



No. Pretty definitive statement.

There's not a thing in what I posted earlier that's wrong.

One thing you're missing because of a lack of exposure and knowledge about our program. Major, as a player and a coach, was a fan favorite. There's no one here that holds ill-will towards him.

OK. Maybe I read too much into what you were saying. Sorry. You make a valid point that Major took a step down from Alabama OC to Texas RB coach. Truth is, he was heralded down in here Austin as the next up-and-coming coaching prospect when he went from Alabama OC to Texas RB coach. It was widely rumored when Mack stole him from Alabama... though that is highly arguable as Alabama fans correctly point out that Applewhite didn't do much while he was the OC there... that Applewhite was eventually going to be Co-OC and then OC during his tenure per promises made by Mack.

The stats don't lie. And you could make a strong case that Applewhite hasn't really achieved much success as an OC. I still think he has some promise, but probably needs to go some place where he can work his way up again from position coach. I don't doubt that he would later develop into a great coach. Right now though, there are some ethical issues regarding some past indecent Petrino-like controversies that he engaged in that I won't go into as this would be taking this thread further away from its topic. That would, in the short-term, hinder his ability to get hired someplace, but I hope some program will give him a chance somewhere.

 

[TerryP]

OK. Maybe I read too much into what you were saying. Sorry. You make a valid point that Major took a step down from Alabama OC to Texas RB coach. Truth is, he was heralded down in here Austin as the next up-and-coming coaching prospect when he went from Alabama OC to Texas RB coach. It was widely rumored when Mack stole him from Alabama... though that is highly arguable as Alabama fans correctly point out that Applewhite didn't do much while he was the OC there... that Applewhite was eventually going to be Co-OC and then OC during his tenure per promises made by Mack.

The stats don't lie. And you could make a strong case that Applewhite hasn't really achieved much success as an OC. I still think he has some promise, but probably needs to go some place where he can work his way up again from position coach. I don't doubt that he would later develop into a great coach. Right now though, there are some ethical issues regarding some past indecent Petrino-like controversies that he engaged in that I won't go into as this would be taking this thread further away from its topic. That would, in the short-term, hinder his ability to get hired someplace, but I hope some program will give him a chance somewhere.

A lot of people took his success as Rice as an indicator of what he was ready to do. It's very apparent now that was Todd Graham.

 

[ROLL_TiZiDe]

Back to Kiffin:

It's interesting seeing fan reactions to this hire. Some ask some solid questions. Others? Well, you be the judge...

This one I find ludicrous.

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One of the many reasons I have so little respect for a good portion of the barnerer fan base. Many delusional homers who dont know much about football...smh. Time will tell if barner really has a consistent program. Anybody can have one "special" season....its when "special" seasons become the norm is when you have the right to thump your chest a bit

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