🏈 Is it just me, or is our QB the worst we've had since Spencer Pennington?

My point is he is the worst qb I've seen play at UA that I can remember. Everyone seems to be making excuses but the dude is extremely inaccurate. Even on bubble screens, etc the receiving corps is having to make jumping catches, screwing the entire rythem of the play. Whoever is comparing and saying he's just as good as McElroy or McCarron is drinking the kool-aid too much. Hell the AU quarterback had more confidence, looked better in his first start than Coker.

Who would argue about his accuracy? Seems like an almost pointless conversation.

What I will say, the receivers haven't done him any favors either. Way too many passes have been dropped.

I don't believe he lacks confidence, not based on what I've heard.
 
McElroy & McCarron both had legit deep ball threats. I do seem to remember Coker hitting Ridley right in the numbers in the end zone for over 20 yards.

I'm not entirely sold on Coker either folks, but I am just saying it has been one game that he has had the start. McElroy & McCarron were not world beaters their first games either. They just didn't turn the ball over.

I also happen to think they had better protection from their OL. Butttt they had their moments too, a la McElroy fumble at the end of the LSU game 2010 & he was a senior at that point.
 
If Coker has a good/great/spectacular game, everyone will say great things about him and wish he was here for another few years. Besides eligibility, there are multiple reasons why he's on the field and this group isn't. It seems so easy to determine what is wrong, but look for what is right. The list will be long if you're honest.
 
McElroy & McCarron both had legit deep ball threats. I do seem to remember Coker hitting Ridley right in the numbers in the end zone for over 20 yards.

I'm not entirely sold on Coker either folks, but I am just saying it has been one game that he has had the start. McElroy & McCarron were not world beaters their first games either. They just didn't turn the ball over.

I also happen to think they had better protection from their OL. Butttt they had their moments too, a la McElroy fumble at the end of the LSU game 2010 & he was a senior at that point.

JPW holding on the ball too long trying to make a play as well. Let's not forget some of the early games of our greats were a little shaky - would you rather have Freshman Jay Barker over Coker? Even though he won the job, had a couple of AJ's near misses against Penn State been picked would we have had a different QB then? We could second guess ourselves silly - but it's what we do.

RTR,

Tim
 
Looking at Coker's numbers from Saturday, 17-31 160 yds 3 TDs 1 INT. Definitely not jaw dropping stats. Now go back and look at the 14 INCOMPLETIONS. 6 were dropped with 2 possibly 3 being TDs!! IF, you eliminate the drops, his stats look like this 23-31 285+yards 5 possibly 6 TDs 1 INT. Then Saturday night, everyone would have been kissing his ass, slobbing on his knob, etc. I know he isn't Dan Marino, Tom Brady, or even Dak Prescott. What I do know is this, you can't put ALL of it on him!! Stewart, Black, Sims, Ridley, Mullaney, etc. have got to catch the damn ball when it hits them in the hands. The OL has to "nut up" and provide better protection and not get lazy and stop shuffling their feet. Kiffin has got to call plays that will utilize Coker's strengths and not go for the HOMERUN ball every 3rd or 4th throw!! We can sit here and debate about how well Croyle, JPW, McElroy, McCarron, or Sims threw the deep ball. To be honest, Sims threw the best deep ball and had more completions on the deep ball than any of those listed! Croyle had DJ Hall and Prothro and everyone remembers the bomb to Prothro against UF. How many more "bombs" did he complete? JPW had Julio for a year but his bomb against UGA was only for 30+ yards MAYBE! McElroy had Julio and Maze but he hit the intermediate stuff and they took it to the house. Longest throw was garbage time against the Barn in '08? McCarron had Cooper and he still overthrew him more times than not! Blake hit Amari and DeAndrew with more precise throws. It is what it is!! Take advantage of what you do well. Throwing it deep 3-4 times a game, whether it is completed or not will make a defense loosen up.
 
I once stood up in a congregational meeting told a church congregation that they would not be happy if Jesus Christ himself came down and preached. I am begging to draw similarities to Bama fans and the QB position. [ Insert name of National Championship / MVP / Super Bowl / Pro Bowl Rookie of the year / Player of the Year here. ] He is no world beater, but My God, man.!
(Supposedly, there is a world beater on campus and another on the way.)

Being delusional works both ways.
 
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Looking at Coker's numbers from Saturday, 17-31 160 yds 3 TDs 1 INT. Definitely not jaw dropping stats. Now go back and look at the 14 INCOMPLETIONS. 6 were dropped with 2 possibly 3 being TDs!! IF, you eliminate the drops, his stats look like this 23-31 285+yards 5 possibly 6 TDs 1 INT. Then Saturday night, everyone would have been kissing his ass, slobbing on his knob, etc. I know he isn't Dan Marino, Tom Brady, or even Dak Prescott. What I do know is this, you can't put ALL of it on him!! Stewart, Black, Sims, Ridley, Mullaney, etc. have got to catch the damn ball when it hits them in the hands. The OL has to "nut up" and provide better protection and not get lazy and stop shuffling their feet. Kiffin has got to call plays that will utilize Coker's strengths and not go for the HOMERUN ball every 3rd or 4th throw!! We can sit here and debate about how well Croyle, JPW, McElroy, McCarron, or Sims threw the deep ball. To be honest, Sims threw the best deep ball and had more completions on the deep ball than any of those listed! Croyle had DJ Hall and Prothro and everyone remembers the bomb to Prothro against UF. How many more "bombs" did he complete? JPW had Julio for a year but his bomb against UGA was only for 30+ yards MAYBE! McElroy had Julio and Maze but he hit the intermediate stuff and they took it to the house. Longest throw was garbage time against the Barn in '08? McCarron had Cooper and he still overthrew him more times than not! Blake hit Amari and DeAndrew with more precise throws. It is what it is!! Take advantage of what you do well. Throwing it deep 3-4 times a game, whether it is completed or not will make a defense loosen up.

What in the hell, are you doing??? Bring facts and stats into a msg board???? Iz ya cra cra??? :notall:
How can people specuate and make up total B.S. about a player if you do that???
 
@rueben and @uagrad93 bringing the analogies and facts strong today. FTR I was much more disappointed in the overall Oline and receiver play than I was QB play Saturday.

I believe Jacob Coker is doing the best he can to make this team successful It is up to the coaching staff to figure out a way to play to his strengths. I do not believe there is a better option on the bench. I do wonder if we will see more draw type plays against UGA to try and develop some PA stuff. I also like how JC operates on the PA roll out type plays.

As I stated in another thread I am most concerned with communication issues with the offense, on the road, in a hostile SEC stadium. I am afraid the hurry up may hurt us in that situation and end up exacerbating our Oline issues
 
JPW holding on the ball too long trying to make a play as well.

That's the comment I've been waiting on. It doesn't shock me it comes from you, Tim.


A lot of people have forgotten what 2007 was like. It's likely due to a few things; Saban being in year one and those expectations come to mind. JPW's TD to INT ratio in 2007 was 5:4. His completion percentage is right on par with what Coker has at this point.
 
That's the comment I've been waiting on. It doesn't shock me it comes from you, Tim.


A lot of people have forgotten what 2007 was like. It's likely due to a few things; Saban being in year one and those expectations come to mind. JPW's TD to INT ratio in 2007 was 5:4. His completion percentage is right on par with what Coker has at this point.

Yes, when you're in a stadium full of people, week after week, screaming "throw the ball!", it has a tendency to stay with you. When JPW started putting the ball in the cheap seats when no one was open, it was a watershed moment for risk at QB. We've enjoyed an exceptional run of limited turnovers in general, but specifically at QB. Inevitably, you have to understand that every QB is not going to break the pass attempts without INT record.
 
Wow the JPW bashing here...
I think he was much better than people give him credit. The surrounding cast was average and sometimes he pressed too hard.
Just like Luck had to in the game yesterday.

BTW I am not JPW.
 
The people downing on JPW need to remember he had a surrounding cast that had a fraction of the talent when compared to the current O.

The receiving corps certainly did not help Coker. I agree. I've also watched, played, been associated with football for over 20 years and can see when a QB is not confident in his ability / lacks ability. When a QB is chopping his feet franticly on every play, even when there is no pressure, there are issues. When he throws a ball 2 feet behind the receiver on most crossing routes there are issues. When you hit a db in the back on a long ball instead of your receiver, well, you get the point. I would say Coker is in the bottom 2 or 3 Qbs in the entire league based off what I've seen.

Now can anything be changed? Not really. So Bama will roll with it. I think Coker gained the team with his performance vs. Ole Miss and at least the kid has some fire and competitiveness. I really liked his running ability.
 
Wow the JPW bashing here...
I think he was much better than people give him credit. The surrounding cast was average and sometimes he pressed too hard.
Just like Luck had to in the game yesterday.

BTW I am not JPW.

Dear JPW (I kid, I kid),

My comments on JPW followed other comments on our other recent very good QBs and were simply to show that our last five great QBs had shortcomings, particularly in their first games. JPW was a record-setting QB at Bama, and held a clipboard for five years in the NFL. Although some may think being an unused regular season backup for five years in the NFL isn't much, here's a few numbers from NFL.com. I believe this data runs from 1940. Number of roster QBs in the NFL over the last 75 years - 1,094. Those with just one year experience - 316. Those with just two years experience - 148. Three years - 109. Three years or less, that's 573 or 52 percent of all QBs who made a roster over the last 75 years lasted three years or less. JPW lasted five years, and there's just 379 NFL QBs who have more than five years experience in the league.

More people have been in space than have lasted longer than JPW as an NFL QB.

Bless his Bama bangs.

RTR,

Tim
 
I will admit that Ive been a little down on Coker but now I have came to a much different opinion. First of all, there is no Cooper or Julio to go to. Ridley has a very good chance to get there, but he's not there yet. Also, our o-line is not bad; its just not as good as it's been in past years. Play calling......if we are gaining 4-5 yds a carry; it kills me when we get away from what's working. Coker may not be Dan Marino; but even Marino could only do so much by himself. Noone can argue that the offense has been lackluster at times, but Coker himself is not the only reason.
 
I think we bought into what Jimbo Fisher was selling a bit too much when Coker transferred. I would be happy for him to play within his limits and be a "game manager". Let's be honest here. We haven't had a qb with the skills and mentality to excel at the next level since Coach Bryant's days. Starr, Namath and Stabler are up there in the pantheon of NFL greats, and Richard Todd had a decent run as a starter for the Jets. Since Todd, though, we've had backup quarterbacks, those who started a while but couldn't hold onto the job, and even several who realized fairly quickly that the NFL wasn't going to be their niche in life and went on to something else. Right now a QB with the skill level that Mike Shula had as a player, who performed to his ability level and didn't do the things that hurt his team would thrill me no end.
 
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