🏈 I'm seeing rumors ("insider posts") that DC Lake is wanting Bama to pay him two million per year

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Does Coach Joe Pendry still contribute to the staff these days?

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

The RB rotation at times seemed odd this past year.

Comparing him to Burns is like comparing apples to oranges. Burns coached RBs for ~20 years, Pannunzio had never coached the position until this past season.

@Tidestalker JP is a Pueblo man

Bingo...Josh Jacobs should have gotten more work in the NC since he was the best Bama back by a long shot. I'm not sold on #22 as the man and not sure #24 is going to be a great #2 man. It is major important that Sanders come ready to contribute this summer. Hopefully the RB that is committed to the King will sign next week.

 

[Tidestalker]

The RB rotation at times seemed odd this past year.

Comparing him to Burns is like comparing apples to oranges. Burns coached RBs for ~20 years, Pannunzio had never coached the position until this past season.

@Tidestalker JP is a Pueblo man

Yes he is!! I had heard about him back in the day... Kind of a cool connection there.

My point is that because Burns isn't on the field doesn't mean he isn't still coaching RB's. I don't know whether he's allowed in the film room WITH players or not... But it's not hard for him to watch practice and game film and tell ole Joe - "Hey, Josh needs to...." or "Damien isn't doing enough...." whatever coaching points need to be passed along. Because obviously, JP has little to no experience directly coaching RB's, meanwhile you've got one of the best RB coaches of all time ON STAFF... As "Assistant Athletics Director, Football". Whatever the hell that means. (To me it means I don't have to be on the field every single day, and on the road recruiting, but can still be involved and help the program get better)

So again - Someone tell me what he gets paid to do. And while you're at it, what does Butch Jones do? Since there are folks on this board that think the only coaches who make an impact are on the field.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

The RB rotation at times seemed odd this past year.

Comparing him to Burns is like comparing apples to oranges. Burns coached RBs for ~20 years, Pannunzio had never coached the position until this past season.

@Tidestalker JP is a Pueblo man

Yes he is!! I had heard about him back in the day... Kind of a cool connection there.

My point is that because Burns isn't on the field doesn't mean he isn't still coaching RB's. I don't know whether he's allowed in the film room WITH players or not... But it's not hard for him to watch practice and game film and tell ole Joe - "Hey, Josh needs to...." or "Damien isn't doing enough...." whatever coaching points need to be passed along. Because obviously, JP has little to no experience directly coaching RB's, meanwhile you've got one of the best RB coaches of all time ON STAFF... As "Assistant Athletics Director, Football". Whatever the hell that means. (To me it means I don't have to be on the field every single day, and on the road recruiting, but can still be involved and help the program get better)

So again - Someone tell me what he gets paid to do. And while you're at it, what does Butch Jones do? Since there are folks on this board that think the only coaches who make an impact are on the field.

I believe Vinnie Sunseri will make an impact as well with the players as a grad assistant.

Art Briles at Coach Saban's coaching clinic years back....."Happy Teams get beat"

 

[TerryP]

Pannunzio had never coached the position until this past season

Just after the move, when Saban was asked about the transition from Burton to Joe, he started his answer with "Joe has done it before."

This notion that he's not qualified seems odd to me. As one stumbling point, he's had head coaching experience (6 years) which tells me he has a pretty good grasp on all the positions in spite of career bio's that don't specifically spell out RB coach.

I'm not trying to make light of the observations and curiosities...but don't we have to weigh things like Sark's career? IE: He's never coached wide receivers, never coached the offensive line, and he's never coached running backs. But, he's been a head coach and an offensive coordinator...coordinating a few position within his offense he's never coached?

@Tidestalker just as I mentioned to Matt...take a second and look up the presser where Saban addresses this. He literally spells out what Burns is doing. I know the video is there, but I don't recall if I watched it on 247 or CBS Sports.

 

[planomateo]

Inexperied as a RB coach is how I would state it, not unqualified.

Can Joe be good at it, certainly. But I wouldn't expect Joe to have the same results as Burton, simply due to experience.

 

[planomateo]

[SUP]

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Video you're referring to @TerryP?

 

[TerryP]

Video you're referring to @TerryP?

Yes sir.

 

[Tidestalker]

[SUP]

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Video you're referring to @TerryP?

Watchin' the film every day.... All I needed to hear

 

[TerryP]

Watchin' the film every day.... All I needed to hear

Did you happen to take the time to listen to the rest of the sentence? Yes, he says he's watching film every day and he also follows that up with stating he believes that Burns would speak up in the staff meeting if they were getting too off course. There is no reference to watching film with the running back corps as you've suggested.

I think Panunzio was their coach in name last year but pretty sure it was Burton Burns in some fashion.

That was me. And I stand by the idea that a guy who has no history coaching RB's isn't and wasn't the most influential coach to that position throughout the season.

Which still leaves this as an assumption based on a short clip you watched in the preseason. In fact, the video we're talking about specifically mentions Joe being in familiar territory coaching running backs because he's (Pannunzio) "done it before."

However, there's nothing here that gives any credence to your suggestion that "Pannunzio is a running back coach in name only" or any example of the notion that "Pannunzio had less influence (which also reads coaching) on the running backs than Burns."

As you've mentioned here...

But to answer your specific question - In the training days series the RB's are watching videos with Panunzio and the RB's are literally saying "He says we should....." and Panunzio is just going with it. That peeked my interest.

An assumption, again. You don't know who "he says we should..." is referring to here. Hell, I'm being hyperbolic here but that could have just as easily been a comment make by an upperclassmen to another back.

(To me it means I don't have to be on the field every single day, and on the road recruiting, but can still be involved and help the program get better)

So again - Someone tell me what he gets paid to do. And while you're at it, what does Butch Jones do? Since there are folks on this board that think the only coaches who make an impact are on the field.

Yet, another assumption with no evidence to back up what you're suggesting. No one has said the only coaches that make an impact are on the field. No one has come close to even suggesting such.

I think the video with Saban gives you a good idea about what Burns is doing each day. Administrative work seems vague, but when taken into context with the video posted by Matt it becomes much clearer what his actual responsibilities include.

You're "coaching the running backs" comments are not backed up by what you've read or seen. The only basis, as pointed out a few times, is what you saw in a short clip and you've taken that segment and turned it into how the season was handled in regard to coaching running backs.

What you've also suggested in that last quote is Burns would/could point something out to the other coaches. And that's true. But, it's no different than a defensive analyst that's a GA pointing out a "tell" if he saw one with the running backs.

When you first suggested such I questioned what you meant. I pointed to the UT clip with Fulmer caught coaching the position on the field, how it would be a violation just as we've seen from the Vols, and how you were basically accusing Bama of cheating on how the position was coached. Your response, "I have news for you Terry, everyone cheats" is all anyone needed to hear. That's not implying watching film, it's not implying making suggestions to Joe Pannunzio. It was a statement saying Bama was cheating just like the Vols in having administrative personnel on the field coaching.

 

[Tidestalker]

Watchin' the film every day.... All I needed to hear

Did you happen to take the time to listen to the rest of the sentence? Yes, he says he's watching film every day and he also follows that up with stating he believes that Burns would speak up in the staff meeting if they were getting too off course. There is no reference to watching film with the running back corps as you've suggested.

I think Panunzio was their coach in name last year but pretty sure it was Burton Burns in some fashion.

That was me. And I stand by the idea that a guy who has no history coaching RB's isn't and wasn't the most influential coach to that position throughout the season.

Which still leaves this as an assumption based on a short clip you watched in the preseason. In fact, the video we're talking about specifically mentions Joe being in familiar territory coaching running backs because he's (Pannunzio) "done it before."

However, there's nothing here that gives any credence to your suggestion that "Pannunzio is a running back coach in name only" or any example of the notion that "Pannunzio had less influence (which also reads coaching) on the running backs than Burns."

As you've mentioned here...

But to answer your specific question - In the training days series the RB's are watching videos with Panunzio and the RB's are literally saying "He says we should....." and Panunzio is just going with it. That peeked my interest.

An assumption, again. You don't know who "he says we should..." is referring to here. Hell, I'm being hyperbolic here but that could have just as easily been a comment make by an upperclassmen to another back.

(To me it means I don't have to be on the field every single day, and on the road recruiting, but can still be involved and help the program get better)

So again - Someone tell me what he gets paid to do. And while you're at it, what does Butch Jones do? Since there are folks on this board that think the only coaches who make an impact are on the field.

Yet, another assumption with no evidence to back up what you're suggesting. No one has said the only coaches that make an impact are on the field. No one has come close to even suggesting such.

I think the video with Saban gives you a good idea about what Burns is doing each day. Administrative work seems vague, but when taken into context with the video posted by Matt it becomes much clearer what his actual responsibilities include.

You're "coaching the running backs" comments are not backed up by what you've read or seen. The only basis, as pointed out a few times, is what you saw in a short clip and you've taken that segment and turned it into how the season was handled in regard to coaching running backs.

What you've also suggested in that last quote is Burns would/could point something out to the other coaches. And that's true. But, it's no different than a defensive analyst that's a GA pointing out a "tell" if he saw one with the running backs.

When you first suggested such I questioned what you meant. I pointed to the UT clip with Fulmer caught coaching the position on the field, how it would be a violation just as we've seen from the Vols, and how you were basically accusing Bama of cheating on how the position was coached. Your response, "I have news for you Terry, everyone cheats" is all anyone needed to hear. That's not implying watching film, it's not implying making suggestions to Joe Pannunzio. It was a statement saying Bama was cheating just like the Vols in having administrative personnel on the field coaching.

Let me ask you this, Terry - Is Joe P the RB's coach if Burns isn't on staff?

 

[TerryP]

Let me ask you this, Terry - Is Joe P the RB's coach if Burns isn't on staff?

Well, yeah. That's what this whole conversation is about, right?

Burns: Not a member of the coaching staff.
Pannunzio: A member of the coaching staff.

Now, are you asking if Burns weren't hired in the first place would Pannunzio be the running back coach for Saban's era in Tuscaloosa? Talk about a hypothetical question! Who knows the answer?

It's my opinion that Burns is a lot like Lance Thompson. I mean that in the sense he's not an all-world coach, but he is an all world recruiter. Don't get me wrong, there are things I don't care for about Lance and how he recruited. Even more so when I consider some of the personnel decisions he made in his time in Tuscaloosa.

As a recruiter, it might interest you to know that he wasn't the primary guy for the majority of the running backs signed by Bama--he was listed as secondary. In other words, he was a closer on campus. (FWIW, a 'position' that isn't lost if he's an Athletic Director for Football--he can still recruit on campus.)

He's credited for being the primary guy for Josh Jacobs except he didn't discover him--he was directed towards Josh. He was the primary for Damien Harris. He was also the lead guy for Eddie Lacy (his territory as much as anything there.)

His secondary role(s) as recruiter, for running backs, include:
N. Harris,
Scarborough,
and Emmons.

**As a comparison for career paths, look at Derek Dooley who spent time with Saban at LSU. He came to LSU with GA experience at UGA and receiving background from SMU before joining LSU. He started out at TE coach in Baton Rouge along with coordinating recruiting (a role that's been expanded at Bama to include guys like the DofPP, DofPD, etc. He spent his last two years at LSU as their RB coach.

Now look at Pannunzio. You'll find a lot in common with Dooley.

 

[planomateo]

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

Yes sir.

I see nothing but lines of code.

 

[TerryP]

I see nothing but lines of code.

That's a result of the upgrade and the parsing codes...here's a direct link to the page.

Saban discusses longtime assistant Burton Burns' move off-field

Alabama head football coach Nick Saban talks about his longest-tenured assistant in Burton Burns' move to an off-field role this offseason.

www.cbssports.com

 

[Sgt. Lincoln Osiris]

That's a result of the upgrade and the parsing codes...here's a direct link to the page.

Saban discusses longtime assistant Burton Burns' move off-field

Alabama head football coach Nick Saban talks about his longest-tenured assistant in Burton Burns' move to an off-field role this offseason.

www.cbssports.com

I figured it had something to do with the site tweaking.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Saw this on the Rant

quote...……."Word from Coach Nick Saban's meeting with boosters today (all assistant coaches were on hand) is that it's just as suspected. Neither Joe Pannunzio nor Coach Kool were there. Steve Sarkisian was introduced as offensive coordinator and QB coach, Pete Golding as defensive coordinator." --

 

[TUSKtimes]

Saw this on the Rant

quote...……."Word from Coach Nick Saban's meeting with boosters today (all assistant coaches were on hand) is that it's just as suspected. Neither Joe Pannunzio nor Coach Kool were there. Steve Sarkisian was introduced as offensive coordinator and QB coach, Pete Golding as defensive coordinator." --

Golding scares me.

 

[JoseyWalesTheOutlaw]

Golding scares me.

Nick must have some confidence in PG otherwise he would be gone. The deal with Tosh is unclear other than we assume he wasn't ready for the keys as a DC. Moving Tosh back to just a position coach must not have been an option for either Nick or Tosh. The money between was only 200K. I am not sure Tosh leaving was the reason we missed on the LBer and Bogle but it is what it is. He gone.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Nick must have some confidence in PG otherwise he would be gone. The deal with Tosh is unclear other than we assume he wasn't ready for the keys as a DC. Moving Tosh back to just a position coach must not have been an option for either Nick or Tosh. The money between was only 200K. I am not sure Tosh leaving was the reason we missed on the LBer and Bogle but it is what it is. He gone.

I doubt it too. Bogle was able to reconnect with Sunseri out of Florida. For him to site coaching change when he went to a school that we took their defensive coach and his recruiter is ridiculous to assume. Kids who want to commit late to our program are toughest to hang on to. Any player that won't sign up on the early signing just hasn't figured it out.

I believe we would be looking at the Washington DC if we could have struck a deal. There has been some discussion that Golding called the plays last season. If so, that's room for pause.