| FTBL Hatcher's "demands" don't mesh with Saban?

[TerryP]

That's the story I'm hearing at this moment. Let it be said there was interest, mutual, on both sides. I have very firm reason to believe the offer was out there. But, Hatcher wanted to bring more than just his coaching abilities to Bama...he wanted to bring some of his own people as well.

Saban's reaction? No. Aight?

Seems the offer has been pulled...we'll see how the story shakes out over the next few days.

 

[shipley00]

Bring some of his own people? That sounds weird, almost like "pay not attention to the man behind the curtain"

 

[Guest]

Bring some of his own people? That sounds weird, almost like "pay not attention to the man behind the curtain"

Not to mention we don't have any open positions. So he expects Saban to just start firing people out of the blue?? I understand his desire to bring his own people and look out for his own, but this is a staff formed by the head coach and already intact.

 

[alagator]

Viewed from Hatcher's perspective, and objectives, it was a very wise demand on his part.

Were I Hatcher, and being asked to move from a D-1AA Head Coaching job to a coordinator job at D-1, I would want to be absolutely positive that the new offense I would be running was mine to the greatest extent possible. I would not want to risk my opportunity to advance further in the profession while being hamstrung running a system that was not mine.

Saban has a history of being completely hands-on, and at UA even has Pendry as an additional buffer on the autonomy of his OC. The best way for Hatcher to ensure his personal responsibility will not be so checked is to fill the offensive staff with people familiar with his system and style.

And I can see where Saban would be reticent to yield such control. It could be uncomfortable where some of the assistants are beholden to the OC and not the HC.

This tells me we are most likely not to see any dramatic shift in offensive philosophy this Fall.

 

[TerryP]

Viewed from Hatcher's perspective, and objectives, it was a very wise demand on his part.

Were I Hatcher, and being asked to move from a D-1AA Head Coaching job to a coordinator job at D-1, I would want to be absolutely positive that the new offense I would be running was mine to the greatest extent possible. I would not want to risk my opportunity to advance further in the profession while being hamstrung running a system that was not mine.

Saban has a history of being completely hands-on, and at UA even has Pendry as an additional buffer on the autonomy of his OC. The best way for Hatcher to ensure his personal responsibility will not be so checked is to fill the offensive staff with people familiar with his system and style.

And I can see where Saban would be reticent to yield such control. It could be uncomfortable where some of the assistants are beholden to the OC and not the HC.

This tells me we are most likely not to see any dramatic shift in offensive philosophy this Fall.

That's never been an issue. Some want it to be, but we'll run Saban's offense, defense and special teams. That is the trademark of a good coach.

It reminds me of those who were so excited about Homer coming back with Stallings. I never understood why they would think that we'd see a change in offense.

 

[kudzu]

I know this has been asked before but it's rearing it head again.
If your a coordinator ,offense in this case, you're looking to prove your self or that your system works to advance your career in the future. Getting a shot at a big place like Bama is in that direction for some but, there is a catch. You have to run someone elses offense. The possibility is that you may never get a chance ,at this big school to see if you can be sucessful with better talent , at the big school.
I do understand the reasoning for keeping a tight reign on the coordinators but, man for the life of me I do not understand the reasoning for not letting a bright talented, proven guy, coach and do his job.
I'm not talking about someone of the Applewhite mold,not very experienced. No disrespect to him.
If you allowed a guy to come in ,focus on his job with no distractions or meddling, other coaches could do the same, focus on his own department.

First ,how would anyone advance and prove themselves if not given the opportunity. In this day and age where staffs come and go every 2 - 3 years there is no time for someone to prove themselves after 2- 3 years. It just doesn't happen much any more.
Second, your not going to attract the type of guy who could break the mold and do it. He knows he would be tied and limited thus not getting to do his job to his maximum capabilities. I don't understand it. It seems doomed from the start. Having this idea and practicing it seems like your limiting yourself and your possible success. You gotta give these guys a chance to sink or swim. How will you ever know?

 

[Swamptick]

It could be uncomfortable where some of the assistants are beholden to the OC and not the HC.

Uncomfortable and wrong. Coach Saban knows what he wants and knows how to get it. The last thing we need is some sort or perverse split of 'power' in our coaching staff.

 

[mongo4bama]

Don't be suprided if after signing day another coach is replaced on the staff regardless of what happens on Hatcher.
Whomever he hires look for him to get soeone who will stay at least 4-5 years to promote stability in staff also the person needs to bring his philosophy and be able to mesh that with Saban's to add new wrinkles.
I would have thought that Hatcher and Saban would have worker this out at the first because this Hather talk had been going on for about a week and a half or longer so this is kinda odd.

thanx Terry for the info

 

[Guest]

Where as I understand why Hatcher would want to bring some of his on guys with him, IMO, it's a very stupid demand. If this is the case, then Hatcher basicaly didn't want the job, because I doubt any HC would meet that demand, at least not a HC that had a staff in place.

 

[bamanaf]

Where as I understand why Hatcher would want to bring some of his on guys with him, IMO, it's a very stupid demand. If this is the case, then Hatcher basicaly didn't want the job, because I doubt any HC would meet that demand, at least not a HC that had a staff in place.

Also, is sort of says that he's not confident of enough of his own talent alone if he needs a support system to follow him around. Either that or like you said, he didnt want the job, which I find it hard to believe because he went through the motions of negotiating ..