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Shut up, Alabama football coach Nick Saban.

Look at this nobody writer, disrespecting to Nick Saban!


To the contrary -- I'm not being disrespectful at all. I'm trying to help the man by telling Saban something that none of the sycophants in his life, starting with the athletic director at Alabama, would say. So I'll say it here, in an effort to be helpful:

Shaddup, Saban. Stop talking. When someone asks you about leaving Alabama for the NFL, zip it. Don't say a word, because words don't work.

Words have never worked. Not in this situation. Not for Saban, not for new Wisconsin football coach Gary Andersen, not for longtime

Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo. Not for anybody. Anywhere. Ever. So please, Nick Saban, do yourself a favor and shut up about Cleveland.

That's where he's rumored to be going, you see. That's where he's been rumored to be going for weeks, since another rumor started in Boston about the Browns hiring former NFL executive Michael Lombardi -- who (rumor has it) would likely fire coach Pat Shurmur and bring in someone he knows, someone (rumor has it) like Nick Saban. That's how these things start, one rumor leading to another, to another, to another, and pretty soon you have a fan base like the one at Alabama wondering what's going on and a coach like Nick Saban trying to say he's staying at Alabama while leaving himself -- in his own mind, anyway -- just enough wiggle room to go without feeling like a liar.

Saban has done this before, with spectacular results. When he was coaching the Dolphins in 2006 and rumors linked him to Alabama, Saban did the Coachspeak 101 thing, denying he was going to Alabama without coming right out and saying he wasn't going to Alabama.
When that didn't work, Saban cracked. On Dec. 21 of that year, with the Alabama rumors still going strong, Saban said," I guess I've got to say it: I'm not going to be the Alabama coach."

Less than two weeks later, he was the Alabama coach.

And listen, I understand what he was trying to do on Dec. 21, 2006. Saban was coaching one team while considering another, and he didn't owe you or me the truth. The truth? Look, this isn't second grade and we're not getting gold stars for showing character. This was an NFL head coach trying to milk the most out of his NFL team. He owed it to the Dolphins and their fans to do his best to win the remaining games on the schedule. Admitting that he might leave after the season, causing that distraction in the locker room, wouldn't have been the best way to do that. So he said what he said. He lied, basically. Big deal. Again, we're not 8 years old. Get over it.
The problem here, really, is twofold. One, the coaches who try to quiet speculation they're leaving without absolutely committing to stay.

But also, it's the media who ask the question.

We're doing what you want us to do, of course. The media have access to coaches, and fans want to know if their coach is leaving. So we ask, even when we know the answer will be evasive at best, an outright lie at worst. But still we report the answer as if it matters, like three weeks ago when we reported here at CBSSports.com that Gary Andersen would stay at Utah State. We even made it the headline, where there's no room for nuance: "Gary Andersen to stay at Utah State."

Eighteen days later, Gary Andersen was gone to Wisconsin.

It's what coaches do. It's what the media does. The innocent bystanders are the fans who take coaches -- and media -- at their word when coaches and the media both know the word is garbage.

And here we're doing it again with Nick Saban, who played the game about as badly as a man can play it in 2006, yet is trying it again. He went on a Miami radio show this week and said he's not leaving Alabama for Cleveland. Sort of.

Saban said, "I don't think we've got too many moves left in us."

(But not, "I'm not moving again.")

Saban said, "I don't think it's really fair to leave."

(But left out, "... though you never know.")

Saban said, "Hopefully I'll be able to stay here for a long, long time."

(Hopefully. Not, "Definitely.")

Wiggle room doesn't work. Neither does abject honesty, which Tom Izzo tried in 2010 when the Cleveland Cavaliers courted him. Izzo was open and honest and paid for it, even before he ultimately decided to stay, when a Detroit columnist wrote that he should go ahead and take the job because he'd gone too far to come back.

Silly. The whole dance is silly. Coaches should do what Detroit Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski does, which is, ignore rumors. Simply refuse to talk about them. Dombrowski did that to me in 1995 when he was with the Marlins. I asked him about a rumored trade, he told me no comment, and I responded -- brilliantly, I thought -- by saying, "If it wasn't true, you'd just tell me it's not true."

Dombrowski proceeded to give me a lesson that Nick Saban, Tom Izzo, Gary Andersen and others -- you listening, Chip Kelly? -- will need to know sooner or later: Dombrowski said if he refuses to speculate on any rumor, true or false, it renders them all toothless by giving fans and media no words to parse. The rumor either dies in time, as most rumors do, or is confirmed as fact when the time is right. But the time isn't right when the rumor is merely at rumor stage.

It was a great lesson Dave Dombrowski taught me, and he did it with grace and class. And so I'll pay it forward and try to teach it to Nick Saban when I tell him, for the love of God, to just shut up about Cleveland.
 
To make matters worse for Saban, yahoo sports is reporting he is currently interviewing assistants for the Cleveland job. They went so far as to say Saban would be named Cleveland's head coach on January 8.
 
To make matters worse for Saban, yahoo sports is reporting he is currently interviewing assistants for the Cleveland job. They went so far as to say Saban would be named Cleveland's head coach on January 8.

That's not what I'd call accurate.

Jason Cole, the author, says he's spoken with two sources telling different stories. Yahoo!, and the same applies to Jason Cole, isn't reporting he's interviewing or going to be named.

Saban made this bed in Miami. He'll have to sleep in it until he retires and then you'll still hear speculation about him returning to football.

One story has started a whirlwind of speculation and rumors. It is what it is.

Yahoo! article by Cole.


And no, it isn't going to stop. It draws interest from the good majority of football fans in college and the NFL.
 
It's a no win situation, if he denies it they just say he denied it before in Miami and lied, if he ignores it they will say the fact that he is not addressing it says it all...

“The choices we make about the lives we live determine the kinds of legacies we leave.”
 
"That's not what I'd call accurate.

Jason Cole, the author, says he's spoken with two sources telling different stories. Yahoo!, and the same applies to Jason Cole, isn't reporting he's interviewing or going to be named.
" (TerryP)

The story is on Yahoo! Sports under Cole's byline; I'd call that "reporting it." What I wrote is accurate. Whether or not the source is accurate remains to be seen.
 
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"That's not what I'd call accurate.

Jason Cole, the author, says he's spoken with two sources telling different stories. Yahoo!, and the same applies to Jason Cole, isn't reporting he's interviewing or going to be named.
" (TerryP)

The story is on Yahoo! Sports under Cole's byline; I'd call that "reporting it." What I wrote is accurate. Whether or not the source is accurate remains to be seen.

If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry.

If we choose to go by how you define reporting a news event, Jason Cole has reported "Saban isn't going anywhere."

First three paragraphs:

This is how the world turns with Nick Saban.


On Tuesday, a longtime source was insistent that rumors about Saban leaving Alabama to return to the NFL are off-base.


“That’s not happening,” the source said, emphatically.

If Jason were reporting this he would have said, "Saban is leaving and interviewing..." He didn't.

Now, for what it's worth, the media in Cleveland is citing sources stating that the notion of him interviewing people was true. And, it was. But, they are also saying it was for the defensive backs coaching position—not assistant coaches for the Browns.
 
I didn't define the word "reporting;" that was taken care of years ago by people (or a person) smarter than me. For example, dictionary.com says: "Reporting...3.
a widely circulated statement or item of news; rumor; gossip."

Cole wrote about the rumor and yahoo! Sports published it. Hence, both reported it. I never said Cole or yahoo! claimed the rumor was true. I said they were reporting it. I was simply adding to the conversation.

I appreciate your concern for my mental deficiencies, TerryP, but I assure you I do "see the difference."
 
Dude, you said, "they went as far as to say Saban..." Yahoo!, or Cole, didn't say that. That's what isn't accurate.

Perhaps, being in this business as long as I have, and working for Yahoo! at times, makes me take what you said literally.

Understand, I am not a fan of repeating rumors in a different context as we've seen many do the last few weeks. I considered it poor journalistic efforts.

I am a fan of a guy standing up and saying, "This is what it is." Cole didn't do that. He threw the word "sources" in there and it's a term used for too often and far to loosely in the media today. It is what it is—a convenient "get out of jail card" when your "sources" don't pan out.

It appears, not surprisingly, we're discussing something that boils down to semantics.

That, like this story, is a waste of time.
 
That's not what I'd call accurate.

Jason Cole, the author, says he's spoken with two sources telling different stories. Yahoo!, and the same applies to Jason Cole, isn't reporting he's interviewing or going to be named.

Saban made this bed in Miami. He'll have to sleep in it until he retires and then you'll still hear speculation about him returning to football.

One story has started a whirlwind of speculation and rumors. It is what it is.

Yahoo! article by Cole.


And no, it isn't going to stop. It draws interest from the good majority of football fans in college and the NFL.

Interviewing HA!

That should be enough to tell just how bogus this BS is...

Saban interviewing____ Not unless he is interviewing them!:lol::lol::lol:
 
He certainly created this monster, based on Miami and his success.

Listen, if Saban is a liar then every coach who ever wore a whistle is a liar!

Since when has any coach (College or Pro) announced in advance that they were planning to leave before he actually left?

It just isn't done that way...

How stupid are these people anyway?

Saban's Legacy will be left at Alabama, not in the NFL
 
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